Gun control
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Congrats, you started your own thread with your subject ! That's beautiful, man !
Anyways, I don't believe there are but a few gun owners that think we should be allowed
to own working machine guns, or working hand grenades or bazookas.... The way laws are in Ohio, I can own any kind of shotgun, rifle, or pistol, but
it cannot be automatic, can't have a cutoff too short barrel, I think there's a limit on the number of
cartridges the magazine or chamber can hold...
I think it might be 7 shotgun shells ??? Beats me.
I believe in no restrictions on the amount of ammo. Hey, you have common sense gun laws, but there isn't any
common sense in ammo ownership. If I want to go out and buy 4 big boxes of ammo, or 12, because I'm thinkin
the price will soar in a few years, I should be fine.
The way the laws are, are just fine to me. I can get a cc permit if I choose, I can hunt, and protect
my family in my home. The previous gov, a Dem, signed the Castle law, re-emphazing that it is legal to use
a gun in defense of your home and family. Some drunk guy can kick a window in, come in my house, and
call for "Ethel", and I wouldn't shoot him, even when my pistol would be in my hand, unless he was armed
and pointed it at me.
Otherwise, even as a last resort, a simple warning shot while waiting for the police to arrive should suffice.
A legit threat to my family's well-being? The emphasis on LEGIT ... they are shot dead.
If society breaks down, our gov falls apart, and an oppressive dictator takes over? Well, then a lot of
Americans will have their shotguns en masse, to stop the fascist and his foreign troops, and go back to our
Constitution.
That's silly? Yeah, only until it happens one day, ten, twenty or a hundred years from now. I've always like
that saying, was it the Japanese official during WWII? that said "you can't invade the U.S.A., because there's a gun behind
every blade of grass." Now I'll have to go look that up, it's my own paraphrase...
Less silly, is if a huge war breaks out, and we need to draft civilians again, which I hope never happens,
would you want your entire new army to know absolutely nothing about guns? I think not.
There is no law limiting the number of guns, and that's good. For one, gun collectors would not be able to collect them.
Like Antique guns, etc.
Generally, I like 2 or 3 shotguns, 3 or 4 rifles, ..we have two pistols.
Different guns do different things. A .22 doesn't do in a groundhog if it's near its hole, with a long shot.
.22's, .22 mags can richochet, which is why I want to get a .17. They say they don't. I like my single shot 12
for squirrel hunting, and if I hunt rabbit (not as good for supper,...) I'd use the 12 gauge semi-auto.
I carry my .22 revolver when I'm out back in the woods after dark, like when I realized I left my camp saw
out there accidently. But that is no good for home defense.
Owning fully functional machine guns and cannons seems to be silly, unless a new gov throws out the Constitution,
and declares a dictatorship. Then, I'd change my mind.
I've been around guns all my life, hunted when I carried a -toy gun- to show my Dad I could be trusted
with a gun and start hunting. I had to carry that toy gun like a real one all the year I was in the 4th grade.
Yep, I learned serious hunting safety. It paid off well, a year later. @@
The only time I almost shot someone, we were hunting on our farm in S. Ohio. We had 147 acres, mostly big woods.
We were out on a hill rabbit hunting, Dad and I, his friend from work, and his two sons, his sons were one and two
years older than me.
So, we're on this hill, surrounded by big beech trees, and the beagles come sounding from a distance, from right to left,
to right past the bottom of our hill. We'd been on that hill for at least a half hour, smiling at the sound of the beagles
echoing throug the valleys.
Anyways, it was my turn to shoot a rabbit. I saw the rabbit fly down the valley, toward my left, across the bottom
of the hill. I set my gun, was going to follow through while aiming, had my finger just ready...
and fired just before the rabbit entered some tall brush at my left.
But, a tenth of a second before my shotgun fired, I pulled it up into the air. Dad says "WHAT the heck are you doing?"
And I quietly pointed to the bottom of the hill. I had seen some tiny flicker of movement through a gap in the brush, about three feet off the ground.
After I fired, we heard screaming. It was his youngest son. He had gone back down the hill behind us, and circled around, and hid in the brush, when the beagles got closer. His dad took his gun, and carried it with him the rest of the way.
He also told him in no certain terms, that Dad taught me excellent safety in hunting, or he would have been killed.
He shook my hand, and thanked me from the bottom of his heart.
His son was exactly where I would have fired, if I hadn't pulled up while pulling the trigger.
So, like owning and driving a car, operating a boat on Lake Erie - require those owners to be trained in gun safety.
They have that now. Kids MUST pass a solid gun safety class before ever being allowed to hunt.
I believe owning an ATV, that training should be required. Right now, it is free with a new purchase of a Honda,
we took it. Kids/teens are getting killed, not following safety guidelines.
Common sense gun laws?
It should be up to the states. Our gov isn't stopping illegal immigrants, and the crime is absolutely horrendous in
Arizona. If I lived there, until I moved the heck out, I'd be packin, concealed carry, too, you betcha.
Maybe, if it gets worse, they should offer a submachine gun permit to certain ranchers on the border....
Alaska, with bears and wolves, mountain lions, etc - of course most folks should be packin.
The restrictions on the mentally disabled, ex-cons, etc, not allowed to own guns, I'm fine with that.
The background check, I like that. That is REALLY common sense. When we bought our 9mm pistol, even the gun shop owner
was surprised at how quickly my background check came back approved. I wonder if they know the AF tried to recruit me
into OSI toward the end of my four years. I guess I'll never know...
To fill the form out took longer.
Society has a right to protect itself, but doesn't have the right to violate the Constitution.
Common sense gun laws, are those that the gun owners, and gun haters, both can agree to, in a certain state.
That makes sense to me.
Playing with words, and "nudging" into more and more control, like defining assault weapons as those with a clip,
or semi-automatics... runs into those who want to ban MOST guns, on the way to banning ALL guns.
That isn't common sense, that's leftist "sense".
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I'll be straight with you Heck.
This is one of those uncomfortable situations when we need to admit to ourselves the constitution is no longer relevant.
It was written in a time when 98 % of Americans were farmers and the government, newly snatched from the loyalists, was in constant peril of having that favor returned by any number of rivals.
So farmer Brown was encouraged to keep a cannon or a rack of muskets in the barn.
So these days, instead of being called heroes those who would wish to overthrow what they felt was political oppression are called terrorists.
Today those in power need to make sure that anybody wanting to pull off the next revolution is completely outgunned.
Hence the watered down second amendment is something of a joke.
That said; hell no, I don't want the dregs of society carrying a LAWS rocket.
Now if it were 1780 and there was a real chance the king might send more soldiers to take back his "piece of the action" I'd want my guys to have state of the art firepower.
Now?
I guess stricter lisencing, reggistration and stringent training for all gun owners is a good idea.
Petty horseshit like a 10 vs an 11 round clip or an aluminum vs a wooden stock is widow dressing.
WSS
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There are already laws and restrictions that don't seem to do any good.
The reason is criminals are going to break laws.
We don't need any more laws or restrictions, we need fewer criminals.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
There are already laws and restrictions that don't seem to do any good.
The reason is criminals are going to break laws.
We don't need any more laws or restrictions, we need fewer criminals.
There are already laws and restrictions that don't seem to do any good.
The reason is criminals are going to break laws.
We don't need any more laws or restrictions, we need fewer criminals.
Oh I agree Peen.
I'm not saying less guns I'm just saying more responsibility for those who want em.
WSS
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There are already laws and restrictions that don't seem to do any good.
The reason is criminals are going to break laws.
We don't need any more laws or restrictions, we need fewer criminals.
Oh I agree Peen.
I'm not saying less guns I'm just saying more responsibility for those who want em.
WSS
Oh I agree Peen.
I'm not saying less guns I'm just saying more responsibility for those who want em.
WSS
Oh, I know....it was a general reply and not directed towards your reply.
Sorry I didn't make that clear.
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I'm for more criminals. And against working families.
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I'm for more criminals. And against working families.
I'm for more criminals. And against working families.
No you're not.
It's not my fault you want to rehash the same stuff, expecting a new angle is somehow going to get a different opinion.
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At least he jokingly stated what he believes in.
heh... maybe he is serious...
"I'm for more criminals. And against working families. "
LOL
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Just not a big fan of meaningless platitudes like "I'm for fewer criminals." Or "I'm for working working families." Or "I support the troops."
None of those statements is for anything, or against anything. They're just things people say because nobody disagrees with them.
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If you aren't a convicted Felon, mentally disabled or sick, you should be able to own a normal weapon. (Rifle, shotgun or pistol). No restrictions period. I don't personally see the need for a civilian to own a 30 round clip so I can see limiting it to 10 rounds. I see no need for a civilian to own an automatic weapon.
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You dont shoot much do you diehard?
30 round mags and clips are great when your shooting, you dont have to reload as often.
The 2nd amendment is a worthy of protecting.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
keyword here is infringed, so all of the old ladies can silence themselves now.
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When I go to the driving range, I don't think they should give me those little baskets of balls. I should be able to take the whole pile of range balls with me. That way I don't have to go back to the clubhouse so often.
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Our woods are pretty dense around the bog - I want one of these:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/24/...se-afghanistan/
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When I go to the driving range, I don't think they should give me those little baskets of balls. I should be able to take the whole pile of range balls with me. That way I don't have to go back to the clubhouse so often. Heck
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BTW, you know those golf clubs kill people? They should all be banned. Those golf balls are a menace, too.
That's why golfers can only have a basket at a time - to prevent mass murders.
You golfers should just go find a stick, and use big bur oak acorns in place of those dangerous golf balls, from in the woods.
That's all you need. We don't need those golf clubs - you never know when somebody might use one to kill somebody.
Sure, "people kill people", but it is way too easy to use a golf club.
That, and any leftwing hater's violent criticism of golf is going to cause certain people to go berserk and murder someone
on the course...
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When I go to the driving range, I don't think they should give me those little baskets of balls. I should be able to take the whole pile of range balls with me. That way I don't have to go back to the clubhouse so often.
When I go to the driving range, I don't think they should give me those little baskets of balls. I should be able to take the whole pile of range balls with me. That way I don't have to go back to the clubhouse so often.
Oh no, you should have to get one ball at a time.
plus fill out a seperate receipt every time.
WSS
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I really don't see what can be improved upon, as it is now. I mean, more thorough background checks, and if there's any hint of mental instability, and I mean ANY, you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
Granted, I have no idea what exactly I mean by that. I'd say anyone that has a history of depression, maybe, but isn't that like a fifth of the nation? Probably wouldn't fly. As long as it's legal to own a gun, and it always will be, if a depressed, but otherwise normal person snaps, there's nothing anyone can do about it. There's no way to catch them preemptively.
As for fully automatic weapons... I mean. Hell yeah, I'd love to own a Glock 18, but if EVERYONE owned one of those, and was allowed to use them in self-defense, good Christ, that'd be scary. I think it should be limited to semi-auto, just for the fact that you can selectively kill people with it. If you hold the trigger like an idiot, which you know some people would do, you have no idea where the rest of the bullets are gonna go, and the ability to select a target with each bullet goes away.
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So you have a take or not Heck ?
WSS
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Mine's not all that different than Cal's. I'm further to the right than you on this. The Constitution clearly says you can have a gun. As long as that essential right is protected, common sense restrictions are fine with me.
It's a big country. Gun laws in Vermont or Montana can and should be different than they are in Los Angeles or Washington DC.
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