Jets - Steelers
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He is afraid Mr Rooney is going to tell the refs.......
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I think the Jets felt like they had to get fired up for the Pats. I think they're pretty sure they'll beat the Steelers. So am I.
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Formerly Sane said:
This lack of motor mouth among Rex and his boys is surely brought on by the league and will surely screw up the karma of the mouths that roar!OK, Stone- Steeler troll has started thread- as some of your ilk have claimed never happens. Of course some one here has to take the bait and respond. Should I start deleting this stuff? Aw, shucks, it would spoil all your fun.
PS your ex-Steeler Santonio Homeless is already running his mouth, so there goes that theory.
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Formerly Sane said:
The Jets are a bunch of loud mouths, like their coach, who, on occasion, can play with the big boys.............but the Steelers are the better team in virtually every way except special teams.Perhaps we can break down each unit of the team and see if what you say holds up:
QB: Steelers: BR certainly gets the resume edge over Sanchez.
RBs: Jets: I believe the combination of LeShon Green and LDT trumps Mendenhall
WRs: Jets: I believe the edge goes to Edwards/Holmes/Cotchery over Ward/Wallace etal
OL. Jets: Mangold/Ferguson etc. gets edge over patchwork Steelers line which because of injuries are working with some 3rd stringers
DL: Steelers.
LBs: Steelers
DB: Jets
Special teams: not sure....though even you say the Jets have the advantage there.
I think I have bee pretty fair with these assessments.
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Certain applicable stats:
REGULAR SEASON OFFENSIVE STATS
.................Jets............Steelers
TOTAL YDS...351.0 .......345.3
PASS YDS.....202.6....... 225.1
RUSH YDS ....148.4...... 120.3
REGULAR SEASON DEFENSIVE STATS
.................Jets ........Steelers
TOTAL YDS...291.5 .... 276.8
PASS YDS....200.6......214.1
RUSH YDS....90.9 ...... 62.8
Scoring Steelers 375 opp. 232 Jets 367 opp. 304
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Formerly Sane said:
I don't understand? If you're asking how to run a better board, I would just encourage the powers that be to lead by a different example.1. I'm not sure anyone said a Steeler fan "never" starts a thread, and even if they did.............so what? with all the mis-information that is contained on this board that is a drop in the ocean.
2. Why direct it at me? Your fearless leaders who are hell bent on running a gum-flapping Steeler hate board are the ones who need input not me.
3. Quite frankly, A fan from an opposing board starting a thread is perfectly acceptable on a football discussion forum as long as it is within the bounds of the forum..........this forum provides nothing but whinning, bitching, delusion, and hate for anything Pittsburgh........therefore nothing a Steeler fan can say would ever fall outside the bounds of this forum.
4. It's still a great forum for comic relief
best forum in the world for that reason.
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I doubt the Steelers lose this game. Yes, the Jets beat them there about a month ago, so chances of that happening again aren't too good.
Other points..1) the Jets kicker, Folk is very inconsistent. I wouldn't rely on him, especially at Heinz Field
2) the Jets running game is good, but the Steelers are so tough to run on, the game may fall on Sanchez to get the job done.
3) first team to 10 points is going to win
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How are his chances nil of beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh? He already beat them there and is coming in with a lot of momentum.
How are his chances nil of beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh? He already beat them there and is coming in with a lot of momentum.
No Heath Miller or Troy Polamalu for round 1. I'd say both player make a big difference. It should be a good game tho.
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Formerly Sane said:
This lack of motor mouth among Rex and his boys is surely brought on by the league and will surely screw up the karma of the mouths that roar!OK, Stone- Steeler troll has started thread- as some of your ilk have claimed never happens. Of course some one here has to take the bait and respond. Should I start deleting this stuff? Aw, shucks, it would spoil all your fun.
PS your ex-Steeler Santonio Homeless is already running his mouth, so there goes that theory.
OK, Stone- Steeler troll has started thread- as some of your ilk have claimed never happens. Of course some one here has to take the bait and respond. Should I start deleting this stuff? Aw, shucks, it would spoil all your fun.
PS your ex-Steeler Santonio Homeless is already running his mouth, so there goes that theory.
This guy barely posts and 90% of the time it's a Browns fan. Just sayin.
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QB against the D.....Huge advantage Steelers
RBs against the D .....Advantage Tie - Mendenhall is a pretty good runner, but LT and Greene are also a good combo
WRs against the D .....I'll take the Jets because Edwards and Holmes are much better than Brown, and Sanders, and an aging ward(who is still reliable)
OL Against the D.......I'll take the Jets. They can run block and pass block excellently
DL against the O.....Advantage Steelers
LBs against the O......slight advantage Steelers( Steelers LB are faster, and the Jets LB are slightly slower, but still good)
DB......Two words......Darrelle Revis... he is much more a game-changer than Polamalu. How many elite cornerbacks are in the league? I'll give you an answer: only one and his name is Revis....
Special teams........Advantage Jets
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Why does everyone think the jets have an edge in special teams? Folk is more inconsistent than nate kaeding come playoff time and Brad Smith is banged up. Whoever kicks for the steelers now has been much better than Reed. Considering this game may be decided by a field goal, I say the steelers have the advantage in special teams...
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Formerly Sane said:
I don't think your assessment is unfair but I usually look at the matchups rather than the static statistics.I think you have some huge pee/black glasses on
QB against the D.....Huge advantage Steelers. Some advantage, not sure it is "huge".
RBs against the D .....Advantage Steelers You are basing this simply on the fact that the Steelers have an outstanding run defense....yet I have already given them credit for having the better DL and LB corps, so I will stick to looking at purely the innate quality and talent of the RBs on the field and stick with the Jets as having the better tandem. Certainly it may be possible that the Steeler RBs may out perform the Jet RBs, but that may be because the Steeler RBs are going against a much weaker rush defense.
WRs against the D .....I'll take the Steelers simply because Edwards and Holmes can't "not" do something stupid sooner or later.
Certainly Edwards is capable of making the big drop, but Holmes has certainly shown up big in big games. Again, I am not going on what you hope may happen....but on pure comparative talent.
OL Against the D.......I'll take the Steelers because of our D and somehow, this garbage, patchwork O line has been protecting Ben pretty well.
Same here. I am not buying your theory at all. Nor am I going to allow you to double dip by saying that the Steeler OL is better because the Steeler DL/LBs are better? WTF.
DL against the O.....Advantage Steelers
LBs against the O......big advantage Steelers
DB......Two words......Troy Polamalu
However good TP may be as a safety, Revis is the equal or better of him as a CB. In my mind they are a wash. And the rest of the Jets DBs far exceed the Steeler DBs in quality. One of the Steelers WRs will probably pretty much be taken out of the game by Revis....be that Ward or Wallace.....and then the other has to face Cromartie.
Special teams........Advantage Jets
And then these intangibles that you later posted along with points scored and points allowed per game:
REGULAR SEASON OFFENSIVE STATS
.................Jets............Steelers
TOTAL YDS...351.0 .......345.3
PASS YDS.....202.6....... 225.1
RUSH YDS ....148.4...... 120.3
REGULAR SEASON DEFENSIVE STATS
.................Jets ........Steelers
TOTAL YDS...291.5 .... 276.8
PASS YDS....200.6......214.1
RUSH YDS....90.9 ...... 62.8
#7 comin up!
All things said, the game will come down to what most games come down to: Turnovers. Last week the Ravens handed the Steelers several unforced turnovers which were their undoing. TOs will be the difference in this game.
I am not sure what the stats there are (but, I suspect the Steelers have a fair advantage in TO ratio. The Dick LeBeau ballhawking defense is a stat/factor that is most likely in the Steelers favor)
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Other things:
1) I wouldn't discount the "Rex factor". Every few games he has to make really dumb coaching decisions. He is past due. He'll probably go for it on a 4th down deep on the Jets side of the field or call some "special" play that will backfire. One dumb HC call can lose it for the Jets.
2) Sanchez's inconsistency has to be considered. He's played well of late, but hs is highly susceptable to having a really bad game. The Steelers will pressure him too, which won't help his case. He's only completed a few deep balls the last two weeks. I think the Stelers will shut down the Jets running game and it will be up to Sanchez. I don't think he's "elite" and he will struggle.
3) Big Bendover's mobility opens up opportunites for the Steelers that the Pats didn't have. I expect some passing success at the slot, TE's and short dinks to the backs.
I cannot stand Rex Ryan and I even dislke the Steelers more. I don't want either team to win. Overall, it will be a "suckfest" by both offenses. One coach, probably Ryan will gamble to get 7 points over 3 and will not get any. It will come back to haunt him. Overall, I predict two missed field goal opportunites by the Jets.
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QB against the D.....Huge advantage Steelers
RBs against the D .....Advantage Tie - Mendenhall is a pretty good runner, but LT and Greene are also a good combo
WRs against the D .....I'll take the Jets because Edwards and Holmes are much better than Brown, and Sanders, and an aging ward(who is still reliable)
OL Against the D.......I'll take the Jets. They can run block and pass block excellently
DL against the O.....Advantage Steelers
LBs against the O......slight advantage Steelers( Steelers LB are faster, and the Jets LB are slightly slower, but still good)
DB......Two words......Darrelle Revis... he is much more a game-changer than Polamalu. How many elite cornerbacks are in the league? I'll give you an answer: only one and his name is Revis....
Special teams........Advantage Jets
DB......Two words......Darrelle Revis... he is much more a game-changer than Polamalu. How many elite cornerbacks are in the league? I'll give you an answer: only one and his name is Revis....
I could comment on the rest of your post but I'm just going to comment on this because you are absolutely wrong. A lock down corner is great and Revis certainly is one but he in no way, shape or form has the same effect as Troy Polamalu on defense. He takes the respective teams number one guy out of the game or at least tries to and usually succeeds. Polamalu effects the ENTIRE offense. He plays in and out of the box. Shadows TE,s WR's and RB's and forces QB's to audible almost constantly. He IS a game changer on the best defense in the league. It's also comparing apples to oranges as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely delusional to say Revis is more of a game changer though.
AND in that same breath how many Elite safeties are in the game. Most only reference two when talking safeties. One was just eliminated and the other has beautiful flowing locks.
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mikeyP72 said:
I think it'll come down more to if the Jets Offensive Line can open up any holes. Without a running game, there is no game for the Jets I really don't think Sanchez can put his offense on his shoulders and win it himself in Pittsburgh in late January.They aren't going to run the ball on Pittsburgh. The only team that had even a LITTLE bit of success was New England and most of that was because of Brady. The Jets will struggle on the ground and they'll put the game on Sanchez.
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DB......Two words......Darrelle Revis... he is much more a game-changer than Polamalu. How many elite cornerbacks are in the league? I'll give you an answer: only one and his name is Revis....
I could comment on the rest of your post but I'm just going to comment on this because you are absolutely wrong. A lock down corner is great and Revis certainly is one but he in no way, shape or form has the same effect as Troy Polamalu on defense. He takes the respective teams number one guy out of the game or at least tries to and usually succeeds. Polamalu effects the ENTIRE offense. He plays in and out of the box. Shadows TE,s WR's and RB's and forces QB's to audible almost constantly. He IS a game changer on the best defense in the league. It's also comparing apples to oranges as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely delusional to say Revis is more of a game changer though.
AND in that same breath how many Elite safeties are in the game. Most only reference two when talking safeties. One was just eliminated and the other has beautiful flowing locks.
Homotron said:
I could comment on the rest of your post but I'm just going to comment on this because you are absolutely wrong. A lock down corner is great and Revis certainly is one but he in no way, shape or form has the same effect as Troy Polamalu on defense. He takes the respective teams number one guy out of the game or at least tries to and usually succeeds. Polamalu effects the ENTIRE offense. He plays in and out of the box. Shadows TE,s WR's and RB's and forces QB's to audible almost constantly. He IS a game changer on the best defense in the league. It's also comparing apples to oranges as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely delusional to say Revis is more of a game changer though.AND in that same breath how many Elite safeties are in the game. Most only reference two when talking safeties. One was just eliminated and the other has beautiful flowing locks.
I agree with this. Revis is great at what he does and certainly makes it tougher on opposing offenses by taking away their #1 but Polamalu turns games around with his play.
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