Green Bay closing in on Cleveland
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Here are the recognized titlists:
Super Bowl XLIV: New Orleans Saints (NFC,13-3) defeated Indianapolis Colts (AFC,14-2), Score: 31-17
2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23
2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14
2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17
2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10
2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21
2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29
2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21
2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17
2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7
1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16
1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19
1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24
1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21
1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17
1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26
1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13
1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17
1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24
1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19
1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10
1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16
1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10
1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20
1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10
1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16
1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9
1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17
1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21
1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10
1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19
1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31
1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10
1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14
1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17
1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6
1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7
1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7
1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3
1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13
1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7
1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7
1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14
1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10
1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1)
1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2)
1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3)
1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3)
1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1)
1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4)
1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)
1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4)
1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1)
1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)
1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)
1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2)
1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3)
1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4)
1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)
1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)
1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)
1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)
1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)
1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)
1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2)
1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1)
1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1)
1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1)
1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3)
1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2)
1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1)
1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3)
1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1)
1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2)
1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5)
1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1)
1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6)
1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2)
1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1)
1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1)
1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2)
1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1)
1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2)
1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1)
1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)
1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)
1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)
1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1)
1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)
Source: Pro-football-reference
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If we wanted to go to the Pre-1920/NFL era Northeast Ohio could claim many of these football league champions from the NFL's predecessor league:
ChampionshipsYear Champion W L T Deciding game
1902 Akron East Ends
1903 Massillon Tigers 8 1 0 def. Akron East Ends, 11-0
1904 Massillon Tigers 7 0 0 def. Akron East Ends, 6-5
1905 Massillon Tigers 10 0 0 def. Canton Bulldogs, 10-0
1906 Massillon Tigers 10 1 0 def. Canton Bulldogs, 13-6
1907 "All-Massillons" 7 0 1 [1]
1908 Akron Indians 8 0 1
1909 Akron Indians 9 0 0 def. Shelby Blues, 12-9
1910 Shelby Blues and Shelby Tigers[2] 14 0 1 def. Akron Indians, 8-5
1911 Shelby Blues 10 0 0 def. Canton Bulldogs, 1-0 (forfeit)
1912 Elyria Athletics 8 0 0 def. Akron Indians
1913 Akron Indians 8 1 2 def. Shelby Blues, 20-0
1914 Akron Parratt's Indians 8 2 1 def. Canton Bulldogs, 21-0
1915 Youngstown Patricians 8[3] 0 1 def. Washington Vigilants, 13-7[4]
1916 Canton Bulldogs 9 0 1 def. Massillon Tigers, 24-0
1917 Canton Bulldogs 9 1 0 def. Detroit Heralds, 7-0
1918 Dayton Triangles 8 0 0 def. Detroit Heralds
1919 Canton Bulldogs 9 0 1
At least a few of these team actually became NFL franchises.
Or you could add championship earned in this league which was an NFL forerunner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pro_Football_League
But I haven't done any of that. I have only counted the titles won that are reflected in the above post #18....the list that is put together by pro-football-reference, wikipedia, and the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
I have to agree here Canton is Canton and Akron is Akron, not Cleveland not Pittsburgh, very simple. I mean what Canton is 60 miles from Cleveland that means with Dayton only being 60-70 miles from columbus they could start claiming OSU titles.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Seriously, Canton is nearly as close? Try about twice as far in drive time:
Distance from Canton to Pitt: 92.3 miles, 1 hr 57 min
Distance from Canton to Cle: 60.0 miles, 1 hr 1 min
The sad part isn't lumping in cities, it's spending they day after your team wins a birth to the bowl on a message board of a team that finished 5-11. Look in the mirror if you want sad.
Thanks Gip - keep up the good info.
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The Cleveland/Akron/Canton media market.
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Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland.Now, you have proven you are an idiot who cannot even look at a map.
Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not.
Believe what you want....they are. Every authoritative resource says so. Do you think you are a greater authority than all those I have sited? I think not.
While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.
My list begins with the formation of the National Football League. You are the one that brought up the old titles, not me.
In that regard you brought in a pea shooter as ammunition. Don't blame me for playing your game and then blowing your ass away with a bazooka.
Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
What is sad is that you have to try to send a camel through the eye of a needle to try to deny a simple fact.
FYI, the NFL lives on its "media Markets" It doesn't give a rat's ass about city or county boundaries. I simply have applied their own methodolgy.
If you are so stuck on city boundaries, why were you so willing to bring in "Homestead" titles simply because it shares a boundary? I nor the NFL pay any attention to those boundaries:
I gave New York credit for teams that don't even play in the same state. Washington D.C. gets credit for a team that plays in a different state.
Half the teams in the NFL don't play in the city they are named for. Hell, a bunch of them are named for a whole state or even a geographic region.
Do you know what city the Dallas Cowboys play in? It ain't Dallas. It is now Arlington, previously Irving. How about the Buffalo Bills? Orchard Park. New York Jets and New York Giants? It ain't New York City or New York State.
New England Patriots? Maybe they could travel from Caribou Maine to Greenwhich Connecticut and all 5 states in between.
How does the Landover Maryland Redskins sound to you? The Opa Locka Dolphins? Let's see now, do the Tennessee Titans play in Knoxville, or Memphis or Dollywood or somewhere in between. Like the sound of the Ashwabenon Packers?
The Independence Chiefs? Do the Arizona Cardinals play on the Hopi reservation? Or do they fill the Grand Canyon for their games.
Boundaries mean diddley, bo.
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Endymion said:
Akron and Canton may be in the same "TV" market as Cleveland, but they are seperate cities in seperate counties of your state. Canton is nearly as close to Pittsburgh as it is to Cleveland. Lumping those cities into the Cleveland region to trump your titles is sad. While you may believe your titles from 1946, 47, 48 and 64 are true titles, they are not. While the various leagues may not have gotten along, without a play-off such as the one in 1949/50 you can not prove Cleveland was indeed the better team and therefore the world champion for that year. You may have won and yet you may have lost such a matchup. Also, you list conviently ends in 1920, where the first recorded football title that I know dates to 1900, and there may have been more that even predate 1900.Further, modern Super Bowl titles are far more impressive than ancient titles won in 10-12 team leagues, and as such the titles won since the advent of free agency are even more impressive than the titles won before that time.
Seriously, Canton is nearly as close? Try about twice as far in drive time:
Distance from Canton to Pitt: 92.3 miles, 1 hr 57 min
Distance from Canton to Cle: 60.0 miles, 1 hr 1 min
The sad part isn't lumping in cities, it's spending they day after your team wins a birth to the bowl on a message board of a team that finished 5-11. Look in the mirror if you want sad.
Thanks Gip - keep up the good info.
Seriously, Canton is nearly as close? Try about twice as far in drive time:
Distance from Canton to Pitt: 92.3 miles, 1 hr 57 min
Distance from Canton to Cle: 60.0 miles, 1 hr 1 min
The sad part isn't lumping in cities, it's spending they day after your team wins a birth to the bowl on a message board of a team that finished 5-11. Look in the mirror if you want sad.
Thanks Gip - keep up the good info.
See the map above. There is an entire DMA between Canton and the Pittsburgh DMA.
Here is a map of the entire nation:
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All hail Cleveland, Akron, Canton, junior varsity, flag football, Madden NFL game championships.
If you win a game in or around Cleveland count it as a Super Bowl. It makes sense because the gipper says so.
And if you have so many titles-championships then why are you worried about the little old Steelers who only have six super bowl titles?
You can rest for the next 25 years because Browns football is the tip of the iceberg no one can challenge.
As a Steeler fan I just want to catch up to all of those titles and championships that the browns have won. the browns have proven to be the best ever team in football and I hope a 7th super bowl win by pittsburgh finally gets us some respect!
Damn those Browns! I am jealous! LOL
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I vote this thread as "The funnest thing evah", despite it's usefulness level.
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Seriously, Canton is nearly as close? Try about twice as far in drive time:
Distance from Canton to Pitt: 92.3 miles, 1 hr 57 min
Distance from Canton to Cle: 60.0 miles, 1 hr 1 min
The sad part isn't lumping in cities, it's spending they day after your team wins a birth to the bowl on a message board of a team that finished 5-11. Look in the mirror if you want sad.
Thanks Gip - keep up the good info.
See the map above. There is an entire DMA between Canton and the Pittsburgh DMA.
Here is a map of the entire nation:
See the map above. There is an entire DMA between Canton and the Pittsburgh DMA.
Here is a map of the entire nation:
Your map is wrong! Canada and Mexico are not round and they are much bigger. Alaska is not an island, and Hawaii isn't purple it's green like all the other rainforest.
I do agree with you list though. Seems like sports of any level are popular in Cleveland, so over the years they collected a huge amount of trophies even if some (Pisstburg residents) think they're meaningless.
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I have done this before about a year ago, but I will repeat it:
There is a reason that the NFL sets a 75 mile limit "Blackout rule" and it because it believes that 75 miles is the natural range of any particular teams fan base.
Canton falls cleanly and solely inside the Browns 75 mile blackout range.
Youngstown also falls inside the Browns 75 mile blackout range, but it also falls inside Pittsburgh's range as well.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh's 75 mile ranges do overlap. Other cities that fall inside the Cleveland/Pittsburgh overlap include Warren, Lisbon, Niles, Sharon Pa, and Mercer Pa.
The Cleveland Market also has a large overlap with the Detroit, however a lot of it extends over Lake Erie and Southern Ontario. The few cities that do fall into the overlap include Sandusky, Port Clinton, and Leamington, Ont.
Erie Pa. is an "open" city. It sits just outside of the 75 mile blackout range of each of Buffalo, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh.
Columbus is an 'open' city, sitting outside the range of both Cleveland and Cincinnati.
Cincinnati and Indianapolis actually have a large overlap that includes mostly smaller towns of SE Indiana including Richmond and Columbus.
On the east coast, Boston and NYC do not overlap. Most of central Connecticut, including Hartford...and Bristol, home of ESPN is open.
There is a large overlap between New York and Philly. All of central New Jersey. Philadelphia and Baltimore have a large overlap. Note that Harrisburg Pa., York Pa. and Gettysburg actually fall inside the Baltimore radius, but outside the Philly radius.
The only place in the nation that has "Triple Overlap" is the area around Aberdeen and Havre De Grace Maryland. Those towns are inside the Philly, Baltimore, and Washington 75 mile radius.
Baltimore and Wash. D.C. have the most overlap of any two markets in the nation.
NFL Markets in the south do not have any overlap. Some key cities that some patrons of this board live in or near are included: Chattanooga, home of ballpeen is equidistant between Nashville (Tenn.) and Atlanta. Greenville SC. (home, I belive of Khutchins) is equidistant from Atlanta and Charlotte (Carolina).
Orlando sits just outside the radii of both Tampa Bay and Jacksonville, though someone I believe told me there are more Dolphins fans there perhaps than any others.
Chicago does not overlap with either Indy or Green Bay, and although Milwaukee seems to be an open city....being equidistant from both Chicago and Green Bay, but outside their 75 mile radii...it is clearly a Packer town.
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All hail Cleveland, Akron, Canton, junior varsity, flag football, Madden NFL game championships.
If you win a game in or around Cleveland count it as a Super Bowl. It makes sense because the gipper says so.
And if you have so many titles-championships then why are you worried about the little old Steelers who only have six super bowl titles?
You can rest for the next 25 years because Browns football is the tip of the iceberg no one can challenge.
As a Steeler fan I just want to catch up to all of those titles and championships that the browns have won. the browns have proven to be the best ever team in football and I hope a 7th super bowl win by pittsburgh finally gets us some respect!
Damn those Browns! I am jealous! LOL
Surf and Turf said:
All hail Cleveland, Akron, Canton, junior varsity, flag football, Madden NFL game championships.If you win a game in or around Cleveland count it as a Super Bowl. It makes sense because the gipper says so.
And if you have so many titles-championships then why are you worried about the little old Steelers who only have six super bowl titles?
Who says we are worried about it?
You can rest for the next 25 years because Browns football is the tip of the iceberg no one can challenge.
As a Steeler fan I just want to catch up to all of those titles and championships that the browns have won. the browns have proven to be the best ever team in football and I hope a 7th super bowl win by pittsburgh finally gets us some respect!
Damn those Browns! I am jealous! LOL
Apparently so? Why, after all, when the Steelers are on the cusp of playing in the Super Bowl are you here on the Browns board, worrying so much about the Browns?
You would think that the Steelers were playing the Browns in the Super Bowl.
New Flash: your opponent for that game isn't the Browns, it is The Packers.
Perhaps we should ask that the Steelers do us a favor and beat the Packers so that city doesn't tie us in the most Championships. Ya think?
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I am just jealous of the Akron, Canton, and AAFC titles!
Once the Steeler win 13 Super Bowls we will be the equal of what the Browns have done. Damn those Browns! Why are they always the best when everyone talks football?
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I am just jealous of the Akron, Canton, and AAFC titles!
Once the Steeler win 13 Super Bowls we will be the equal of what the Browns have done. Damn those Browns! Why are they always the best when everyone talks football?
Surf and Turf said:
I am just jealous of the Akron, Canton, and AAFC titles!Once the Steeler win 13 Super Bowls we will be the equal of what the Browns have done. Damn those Browns! Why are they always the best when everyone talks football?
If you say you are jealous, then who are we to dispute it. Evidence seems to suggest you are being truthful there.
However, you do bring up a valid point: It is possible that karma said in 1964: Northeast Ohio, wait, you have gone too far ahead of everyone else with your football title. Before you can win another you must allow someone else to catch up to you.
However, for 46 years, no one else has caught up yet. But now, Green Bay has a chance to tie us with 13 titles. If they in fact do that, it will be an omen for the Karmic Gods to now say to Cleveland: Congratulations on being so gracious. Now, however, you are free to go henceforth and win more titles.
So, as I see it, perhaps we should view it as a good omen if the Packers win.
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I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?
I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
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I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?
I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
Surf and Turf said:
I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
I wonder if this is ROCK BOTTOM for our Cleveland sports. We have not one franchise that can make any headway at this point. Browns are 5-11 for 2 straight years no matter what way we look at it. The Cavs havent won in it seems like 2 months, the Indians will be lucky to win 68 games this year and our rival is headed to another Super Bowl. This really is a downer and you can tell when we attempt to show our relevance by quoting titles from almost 50 years ago. I mean they are championships but it has been 47 FREAKING YEARS that is way to long ago to keep harping on this needs to change and between the 3 teams I see the Browns as the only one that can do it at this point, but Randy Lerner needs to leave before this will ever happen. So frustrating.
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I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?
I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
Surf and Turf said:
I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
It would put you ahead of Dallas.
Again, this is NOT a Browns title thread, but a city title thread. Many of the cities on the list have had multiple franchises win titles. Like Dallas which has had the Texans and the Cowboys. Like New York with Giants and Jets. Chicago with the Bears and Cardinals. LA had the Rams and the Raiders. Boston/Providence has the Patriots and SteamRoller. Philadelphia has the Eagles and the Yellow Jackets. Baltimore has the Colts and the Ravens. SanFran/Oak./SJ has the Raiders and 49ers. Cleveland has had the Browns, Rams, Bulldogs, Pros.
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Surf and Turf said:
I hear ya man. I am hoping one day people will quit laughing at the Steelers and quit comparing them to the Browns. It just ain't right you know?I hope a 7th Super Bowl title at least gets us mentioned in the same breath as the Browns - historically speaking of course.
I wonder if this is ROCK BOTTOM for our Cleveland sports. We have not one franchise that can make any headway at this point. Browns are 5-11 for 2 straight years no matter what way we look at it. The Cavs havent won in it seems like 2 months, the Indians will be lucky to win 68 games this year and our rival is headed to another Super Bowl. This really is a downer and you can tell when we attempt to show our relevance by quoting titles from almost 50 years ago. I mean they are championships but it has been 47 FREAKING YEARS that is way to long ago to keep harping on this needs to change and between the 3 teams I see the Browns as the only one that can do it at this point, but Randy Lerner needs to leave before this will ever happen. So frustrating.
I wonder if this is ROCK BOTTOM for our Cleveland sports. We have not one franchise that can make any headway at this point. Browns are 5-11 for 2 straight years no matter what way we look at it. The Cavs havent won in it seems like 2 months, the Indians will be lucky to win 68 games this year and our rival is headed to another Super Bowl. This really is a downer and you can tell when we attempt to show our relevance by quoting titles from almost 50 years ago. I mean they are championships but it has been 47 FREAKING YEARS that is way to long ago to keep harping on this needs to change and between the 3 teams I see the Browns as the only one that can do it at this point, but Randy Lerner needs to leave before this will ever happen. So frustrating.
What I do in my compilations has nothing to do with Cleveland sports. I keep this compilation for Pro Football, baseball, and basketball which Cleveland does have a team, but I also have it for hockey...no Cleveland team, and for College football and College basketball. No Cleveland area team is likely to have a run at titles in those sports....even though Kent State made the Elite Eight a few years back, and CSU made the Sweet Sixteen in 1986.
Pro Football is the only sport in which a thread of this title can be made....because it is the only sport in which the lead for the most titles won in a city/region is so close. In baseball and hockey NYC and Montreal are light years ahead in the count. In the NBA, Boston has a 6 game lead over LA, so that is not that close.
I don't keep a "city" count in college football or basketball because those sports are not "city oriented" like the Pro Sports are. I don't keep a count for Tuscaloosa, Alabama or South Bend Indiana the way you do for Pro teams.
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my grandfather was born in Stuebenville Ohio and played football with the neighborhood kids. His team used to beat all of the other teams in the day. Granted they were only kids but to me, when I think about it, it was just as important as winning a Super Bowl. I wish the NFL would count that but they don't. I don't buy this whole Super Bowl or nothing argument. Plenty of great football was played back in the day when it wasn't commercialized and driven by profits.
These days Super Bowls are just handed out to teams. The real championships were a lot harder to win before the NFL took over. I hope the Steelers finally become relevant to the history of football with a 7th Lombardi Trophy but we are still chasing the Browns's legacy.
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