Has Jay Cutler overtaken over the title...
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According to Saints fullback Heath Evans, Brees played “six weeks with a torn MCL’’ in his left knee, referring to a medial collateral ligament. Zing.
According to Saints fullback Heath Evans, Brees played “six weeks with a torn MCL’’ in his left knee, referring to a medial collateral ligament. Zing.
It should be noted that Evans made a similar reference to Brees’ injured status for a story published by USA Today in December but did not cite the extent of the knee injury.
Saints right tackle Jon Stinchcomb acknowledged Monday that he was not privy to the extent of Brees' knee injury, only that the quarterback was playing on a bum knee.
"It wasn't a mystery that his knee was bothering him and he was wearinjg a brace for a few weeks,'' Stinchcomb told NewOrleans.Com on Monday. "Drew was able to play through it. He's a tough guy. In no way am I saying that he's tough and Jay Cutler is not. I don't want to make that comparison. I've never played with Jay nor am I condemning the fact that he left the game yesterday.
"But we were aware about Drew's knee. But it's not our position to speak on another player's injury.''
Brees injured his left knee during the fourth quarter of his team's 27-24 loss in OT to the Falcons on Sept. 26, then showed up the next week in practice wearing a brace on his left knee. He also played with a brace on the injured knee in subsequent games.
In his Monday press conference following the Falcons’ game, Saints Coach Sean Payton said Brees merely experienced a bruise and some soreness in his injured knee. Despite that acknowledgement and Brees wearing a knee brace, the quarterback was not listed on the league’s injury report leading up to the Carolina Panthers game the next week.
It was widely reported that an MRI revealed no structural damage based on information provided during team-related press conferences.
“There’s no situation,’’ Payton said days before the Panthers game. “His knee is sore from the game. There’s no specific injury other than he’s got soreness. We didn’t put him on the injury report. He took all the reps. There’s not an injury to report.''
In early November, citing unnamed sources, WIST-690 am reported Brees had been playing with a “fractured’’ left knee and torn meniscus and would have to undergo micro-fracture surgery at season’s end. Payton denied the report, labeling it “inaccurate, completely false.’’
Zing indeed.
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Who the fook cares about the money. His team needed him and he was not there. If you've played organized sports, you may have, you would understand.
His team needed him out there if he was healthy, he was not. He would have been a detriment. He tried to come back in and couldn't. I'm pretty sure that you are just arguing for the sake of arguing because no one can be a dense as you are portraying right now.
His team needed him out there if he was healthy, he was not. He would have been a detriment. He tried to come back in and couldn't. I'm pretty sure that you are just arguing for the sake of arguing because no one can be a dense as you are portraying right now.
OK you win. You've proven you are as big a pussy as Cutler.
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Just a side note, not taking sides.
A fresh injury such as an MCL is a whole lot different to play on than an injury that has had time to settle down. I've had knee injuries and surgeries my whole life, so I know a thing or two about it. A freshly injured knee is inflamed and has absolutely no stability, not to mention can be very painful just by shifting on it the wrong way. You can stand and walk on it without looking like a total gimp, but one wrong step will shoot pains up your spine. There are also degrees of sprains that are much worse than others, regardless of what they are categorized as. It's akin to ankle sprains. For example, you can sprain your ankle and barely put pressure on it, yet be walking fine within a couple days. On the other hand, you can tweak it a little, play through it, and then not get it healthy for a couple months if ever (see 2010 Cleveland Browns QB's and Shaun Lauvao high ankle sprains)---many times the ligaments are stretched and take years to tighten up again or require surgery.
A knee that has had time to settle down (ala the Brees/Jones Drew comparisons) can be played on depending on the extent of the injury. Guys routinely miss 4-6 weeks during the season with MCL tears though, but they generally don't require surgery. Is Fujita a pussy? He never played again after going down, that was 7 games after the Jets. It depends on the severity and the position played, also.
I played sports and worked with a torn ACL for 13 years before getting it reconstructed, but at about 75% effectiveness from favoring it. However, if I blew it out (which I did often) rest assured I wasn't playing for a few weeks at least--and definitely not that day---I couldn't if I tried.
My opinion on Cutler is he just isn't very smart. He should have sold it more so none of this came up. If he took the Jake Delhomme or Favre approach, even to a small extent, it would have looked like he just went through hell and back. Instead, he was cool about it and maybe pouted a little. He just isn't a very mature guy, but that doesn't mean he is not tough. None of us know for sure, though.
Personally, I want to see my QB look like Couch when he went down in 2002. Try taking a snap and dropping back on the sidelines, and then spike the ball out of frustration and look pissed cuz he just couldn't go. I think most hardcore fans desire that sort of attitude to be convinced.
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True Grit, minute 4:00. And minute 5:34. Kosar
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That was a great video, K. But he needed both legs to be able to make the play.
He didn't need his left arm that much. Different deal.
Although, I can see Colt going back out onto the field, with the team doctor hanging onto his one good leg... and
still finding a way to make the play. GGG
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His team needed him out there if he was healthy, he was not. He would have been a detriment. He tried to come back in and couldn't. I'm pretty sure that you are just arguing for the sake of arguing because no one can be a dense as you are portraying right now.
OK you win. You've proven you are as big a pussy as Cutler.
OK you win. You've proven you are as big a pussy as Cutler.
So I'm as big a pussy as an NFL player that has missed one game in his career despite the fact that he has played behind a terrible OLine the last two years? Thanks for the compliment.
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Zombo said:
You'd never get McCoy off the field in the second half of a game unless there was a stretcher involved.That is a pretty short memory you have.
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True Grit, minute 4:00. And minute 5:34. Kosar
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That was a great video, K. But he needed both legs to be able to make the play.
He didn't need his left arm that much. Different deal.
Although, I can see Colt going back out onto the field, with the team doctor hanging onto his one good leg... and
still finding a way to make the play. GGG
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The fans who are critical of Cutler are the same ones who call off work when they have the sniffles. The Bears would not even have been in the NFC Championship game if it weren't for Cutler. He got injured, it happens.
All those who are critical should never take another sick day from work again unless you are deathly ill. he is paid to play and ADD VALUE to his team's chances of winning. If you ask me Lovie did the right thing by going with his 3rd string QB who made the game somewhat competitive- yes they scored with Hanie.
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Zombo said:
Colt was never taken off the field, Pizza Fag, he was forced to sit the next several weeks after the injury. But he never came out of a game.Zombo
He is talking about his last national championship game when he had no feeling from the elbow up, hence, he couldn't throw a football.
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Zombo said:
Colt was never taken off the field, Pizza Fag, he was forced to sit the next several weeks after the injury. But he never came out of a game.Zombo
Why is it that when presented with facts, you guys result to personal attacks? You could at least come up with something witty or clever. Also, you missed my point entirely. I was referring to the CG where it was being widely reported that his daddy didn't want him to risk further injury by letting him go back in. I personally don't believe that story but I found it hysterical that you are trying to use McCoy as an example of what Cutler should be. You failed miserably.
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Zombo said:
McCoy played on a high ankle sprain in the regular season. Cutler sat on a sprained mcl in the championship. Those are facts. See? ... no personal attacks.Zombo
--Faggot
It was a grade 2 tear, Redneck.
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McCoy as you may well remember wimped out of the National Championship game against Alabama after his 5th snap of the game. McCoy sat out the BCS Championship game because he wanted to be drafted into the NFL.
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That is what McCoy and his father said but " all of a sudden lost his arm strength" against Alabama who was likely to end his college and potential pro- career?
Even McCoy said he felt no pain. He bagged the BCS game against Alabama in order to be drafted
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Zombo said:
Whatever it was, he was standing, walking, and could throw. And his team was playing for the Super Bowl. Take a shot and get out there. He's a pussy and so are you.Zombo
He did take a shot and by all accounts he tried to stay in the game but was told he couldn't. You really would be doing yourself a favor if you were more subjective. I'm honestly ashamed to root for the same team as you and a few of your brethren on here. Actually, I think I am done here. You mental midgets can keep fighting in the face of reason and logic, maybe one of these days it will work out for you. I kind of doubt it though.
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I don't understand how he could have suddenly developed a numb arm. To me, it doesn't make medical sense.
Could he have been faking the numbness so he would not get truly injured and lose all hopes of a futre multi-million dollar career?
McElroy played the entire game with a cracked rib and in a flak jacket.......but he played! That's what makes champions.
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Zombo said:
Thank God. Need a link to the homo board?Zombo
There is no doubt in my mind that you have it bookmarked. Look into that rage of yours, it isn't coming from a healthy place. I wish you well and hope you get the help you need in the future.
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Why even fight about this? It's over and done with. Cant we all just let it go?
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Zombo said:
McCoy played on a high ankle sprain in the regular season. Cutler sat on a sprained mcl in the championship. Those are facts. See? ... no personal attacks.Zombo
--Faggot
Indeed, Colt scrambled for like 20 yards running out to the sideline on his busted ankle.
And to the folks who need some clearing up regarding his NC injury. Although there have been rumors that his dad did at some point mumble something about protecting his arm for his future in the NFL, Colt's explained the scenario from his perspective and he claims he could not throw the ball even seven yards.
If you don't want to believe him, that's fine, but let's be honest; if the kid wanted in to the NFL, he could have come out after his junior year. He came back to play in a national championship. The guy started 53 games and he's got a proven track record for having big time guts. That's why you give the kid the benefit of the doubt if you know anything.
Of course none of these NFL QBs have the kind of guts that internet tough guys possess...
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Zombo said:
I remember that. He had a nerve injury, his arm was completely numb and he couldn't throw the ball 7 yards to his father. A little different than a wobbly knee. Cutler could still throw.Zombo
Come on Zombo....you are on the wrong side of the argument here.
The guy sustained a serious knee injury.
The bottom line is the guy couldn't play without putting his team at a serious disadvantage. It's not Cutlers fault is back-up totally sucks and got replaced by the 3rd teamer.
Hell, I saw you show up a hour or two late for a tailgate, talking about it having been a long night and somehow trying to lay blame on Robin.
That was just brain fog.....you weren't limping in on crutches.
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It is beyond absurd to think a kid like McCoy would take himself out of a national championship game if he could play at all. One of the stupidest things ever and before he was a Brown there were a ton of people insinuating it right here.
This Cutler thing became an issue because for one, he has a rep as a tool and two, the tweeting era has players around the league saying BS before they know anything. This is a new phenomena, and as the Bears owner said, one that is showing the solidarity of the players and their union isn't very freaking good.
Here you have a union trying to get all the help they can to fight injuries, extra games, better pension etc and they are jumping on a dude before they have a clue what happened to him---one of their own. It is about as stupid as Roid Monk and Ray Lewis bitching about being forced to tackle the way you are supposed to, then whining about extra games causing injury.
Bottom line: a lot of these players are really dumb, and the last thing they should probably be doing is tweeting at all. I heard on the radio today that apparently Haden is using the N word in his tweets. Not smart.
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