Browns Roster Moves Early

Erie Dawg

@roach said:
Dude, what are the rules? Adam Schefter reported that Mangini was gone when Holmgren was hired. Why is he considered a reliable source?

Its on nfl.com

but six guys gone sounds like we are at the midst of a rebuild.

maybe heckert and homey are going to make a couple free agent splashes... well they almost have too. That's already six plus we need a kicker (unless we resign dawson). Then we have to address the positions that we need help in.

we almost need 16 draft picks to add any sort of depth, and that's if we hit the jack pot on all of them.

Limp dick juron better show the fans improvement on defense asap or he is one and done. He is nothing but a piss poor hire.

Rooster Dick

I would release any piss-ant that Mangini brought. This team is and was so bad. No hope, and no chance to compete against the better caliber teams.

Browns need talent.... Not going to get it entirely through the draft. Lots of superstar talent on the Free Agent list.

Start scooping people up... let's get this team above .500 for once.

So sick of all the lame duck excuses and "He's too old..... or He's a headache"

Bring in TALENT. I don't care about anything else.

jasont44094

@theclevelandsound said:
You did report it first. Let it be known that jasont44094 gets the credit for this.
However, your post had no link or true credibility yet, hence why a new topic was created with a link from a reliable source. Its not personal.

I found the link and when I put it in and add the topic was already gone. I should of been quicker in my search

TheClevelandSound

I will say this once.

We will be drafting AJ Green if he is there (all depends on Carson Palmer and the Cincy situation).

If he is not there, we will go DE. But WR is still our biggest problem. You can't win a game with a D lineman. There are plenty of those in the draft.

Nw220

@theclevelandsound said:
I will say this once.
We will be drafting AJ Green if he is there (all depends on Carson Palmer and the Cincy situation).

If he is not there, we will go DE. But WR is still our biggest problem. You can't win a game with a D lineman. There are plenty of those in the draft.

Gotta agree compelety and ill be the first to say that Robert Quinn and Marcell Dareus both to me look like its gonna come down 2, i dont think ethier are worthy of the #6 overall pick and think its a reach for both

blowe

@theclevelandsound said:
Per Adam Schefter Twitter:
"Browns announced they cut LBs Eric Barton and David Bowens, DL Kenyon Coleman and Shaun Rogers, TE Robert Royal and OL John St. Clair."

Surprising about Rogers. The rest was expected. Glad to see Robert Royal out of here.

http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

It is about damn time.

SJ_Browns

john st clair is gone? THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

htownbrown

If we don't get a real wr this offseason, this offense will look no different. It doesn't matter whose calling the plays, whose throwing the ball, or who is blocking who. As bad as the defense looked at times it seemed light years ahead of the offense most of the season. I find it hard to think that you bring in a HC/OC() and not spend a good chunk of the draft on offense.

Freeman looked pretty much like Colt did last year until he got someone to throw to.

And I'm not saying they didn't try, but couldn't you have gotten at least a 7th for Rogers? Or was the contract a deal breaker?

hoorta

@htownbrown said:
If we don't get a real wr this offseason, this offense will look no different. It doesn't matter whose calling the plays, whose throwing the ball, or who is blocking who. As bad as the defense looked at times it seemed light years ahead of the offense most of the season. I find it hard to think that you bring in a HC/OC() and not spend a good chunk of the draft on offense.
Freeman looked pretty much like Colt did last year until he got someone to throw to.

And I'm not saying they didn't try, but couldn't you have gotten at least a 7th for Rogers? Or was the contract a deal breaker?

$5.5 million- for a guy who couldn't stay healthy. Well on his way to being Ted Washington II.

& I agree- we brought in an offensive minded coach- may well be offense first. But the CBA has got to be fixed first because no one can sign any FAs until there's one in place. And the draft is supposedly way deeper in decent defense than WRs- of which there are maybe two Green and Jones.

peterbell

The Browns finished 13th in Scoring defense this season..The defense wasn't the problem, consistent QB play was the problem..all Holmgren guys by the way..We just exited a lot of depth..Rogers should have been cut last year..he's a quitter..The defense is now in full rebuilding mode as is the offense..how many years for this plan...2,4,6..SMH

ballpeen

@theclevelandsound said:
I will say this once.
We will be drafting AJ Green if he is there (all depends on Carson Palmer and the Cincy situation).

If he is not there, we will go DE. But WR is still our biggest problem. You can't win a game with a D lineman. There are plenty of those in the draft.

I am glad you will only say that once because it sounds stupid.

USFBrown

I'm a little disappointed about the Defensive rebuild. They played well as a unit last year, I know there were some games they really stunk it up. But it's hard to blame them fully when the Offense was putrid and could hardly put together a sustainable drive to give them rest.

It seemed our Defense was average last season and like most/all rebuilds our D will just get worse before they get better.

peterbell

@usfbrown said:
I'm a little disappointed about the Defensive rebuild. They played well as a unit last year, I know there were some games they really stunk it up. But it's hard to blame them fully when the Offense was putrid and could hardly put together a sustainable drive to give them rest.
It seemed our Defense was average last season and like most/all rebuilds our D will just get worse before they get better.

It's going to get much worse..Under Mangini we were 2 maybe 3 players from a dominate defense.Of the top 13 scoring defenses 9 were in the play offs ..top 2 were Pittsburgh and Green Bay..3 and 4 were Baltimore and Chicago.5 Jets..Now changing this to a 4-3 is going to be painful..just wait and see..again..smh

By the way..GB and Pitt..3-4 teams..Jets 3-4 team..3-4 is the future in the NFL

Gips

Good start to turning around a bad situation i must say, as for rogers getting cut its not really unexpected as he cost more than he is worth..

Waiting to hear elam and wrights numbers to be called soon as neither of these guys will fit well into a 4-3 scheme....

As for being 2 or 3 players from a dominant defense under mangini, it wasnt going to happen because by next year we would have had to completely replenish the front 7 regardless, mangini and his old jets had our defense set up for a constant cycle of rebuild..

Im not only glad that bum is gone but i like the tenacity of this regime to take the pain and get it right the first time not the second, third, fourth or fifth..

This rebuild will hopefully be executed professionally unlike mangini's scrub attempt..

halfsane

*The title should say 'Hope for O-line'. I'm illiterate.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e3...le=HP_headlines

Rogers , Coleman, Barton, Bowens, Royal

Well, we dumped some baggage, good moves. I was hoping we could get rid of StClair and Royal. Cutting Rodgers is a good move too.

While I liked what Bowens did last year and some of Coleman, they were getting to old.

Harry Buffalo

mikeyP72 said:
Kenyon Coleman, Eric Barton, St Clair, Royal, David Bowens are either all in the twilight of their career and/or suck.
This is not a REBUILD, this is a CLEANSING.

Get ready for a young pass rusher, a FA to stabilize the middle next to Rubin and the movement of Roth or someone to DE.

We must be high on Hankerson in the 2nd round and are most likely going to go DE with the first overall.pick... MAN we could use Fairley....

The draft should go like this:

DE

WR

DT

LB

RT

WR

DE

I'm not against looking at someone like Vincent Jackson and Sidney Rice either. We need major help at critical positions. WR and DE are critical to a teams success.

I like how everyone talks like it is a sure thing the FA like Roth or Gocong will be resigning with the team. There is actually a really good chance that Roth leaves, especially if they say he is being moved to a DE.

@gips said:
Good start to turning around a bad situation i must say, as for rogers getting cut its not really unexpected as he cost more than he is worth..
Waiting to hear elam and wrights numbers to be called soon as neither of these guys will fit well into a 4-3 scheme....

As for being 2 or 3 players from a dominant defense under mangini, it wasnt going to happen because by next year we would have had to completely replenish the front 7 regardless, mangini and his old jets had our defense set up for a constant cycle of rebuild..

Im not only glad that bum is gone but i like the tenacity of this regime to take the pain and get it right the first time not the second, third, fourth or fifth..

This rebuild will hopefully be executed professionally unlike mangini's scrub attempt..

Hoe does a safety and a corner not fit into a 4-3 defense??? The change from a 3-4 to a 4-3 has no nothing to do with the secondary and I would actually expect them to resign at least Elam who finished the second half of the season strong as one of our top defensive play makers. I also wouldn't be surprised if we resigned Wright to a one year deal if no other teams seemed interested in him.

I would just like to point out again that some of these guys, though old and severely declining in talent, were really good people, on the team and in the community. Eric Barton received and award this year for his charity and community service and Bowen was a great example for the younger players showing them what they can accomplish if they never give up (went from being injured and almost cut in training camp to almost single handedly winning the New Orleans game and taking over as a defensive captain at the end of the year). Sad to see good people like these guys leave but we do need younger and better talent at these positions.

The Gipper

@thaak said:
Wow, so in a 4-3, we need more D-linemen than Linebackers
We currently have Robaire Smith (but he might be a FA that we won't resign, don't recall), Rubin, and a bunch of scrubs...

We just cut Coleman and Rogers...

Who's gonna be on our D-Line?

I think round 1 is gonna be a D-lineman

I have thought that all along. The Browns front 7, except for a couple of guys really was not very good. Needless to say with 4 of the 6 guys shown the door being from the defensive front 7, the Browns are gonna need bodies.

Does anyone know the status of D'Qwell Jackson?

The Gipper

@sj_browns said:
john st clair is gone? THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who does this give the job to? Shaun Lauvao?

VaporTrail

@the-gipper said:
Who does this give the job to? Shaun Lauvao?

Didn't he do pretty poorly this year?

The Gipper

@vaportrail said:
Didn't he do pretty poorly this year?

I think he was injured much of the year.