Odds of winning the 2011 season Super Bowl
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When Watson wants to play there is no one better. Hillis is a tad better then Gore in my opinion. You guys watch and see if the Browns dont turn it around next football season. Hillid, minus injury will become one of the best in the league, top 5. I think you guys are so accustomed to the Browns losing that you dont see what is coming.
You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.
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You are entitled to your opinion but you are out of your mind. At best, Watson might sneak into the top 10. Gates, Clark, Davis, Witten, Gonzalez, Finley, Z. Miller are all slam dunks over Watson. After that, I would put him in a pack of about 10 more TEs albeit on the lower side of that list.
As far as Gore and Hillis goes, Hillis is the product of a good line, nothing more. His fumbling problems and lack of elusiveness make him a good piece of a RBBC while Frank Gore has been a stud for more than one year behind less than stellar lines and is an every down back. Do yourself a favor and don't let your homerism distort the truth. It will serve you well.
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.
Homotron said:
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
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Homotron said:
This but I put Heath Miller in the top 10 and that isn't being a homer. He does it all and he does it well. I do like Peyton Hillis but he's not a dynamic runner. He's a bruiser and as mentioned above he's a product of school bus sized holes at times and a lay it ALL on the line mentality. He's the epitome of a "blue collar rb" and that's where it begins and ends. He can be the Steelers FB any day of the week.H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.
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H.Miller isn't a sexy pick but is very solid all around. I would put him into that 8-13 range. I would definitely take him over Watson.
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.
Homotron said:
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
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Homotron said:
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
Watson had help from dump off specialists and not too many other prime targets to go around. Watson is average, the fact that NE got far better production from two rookie TEs this year than at anytime with Watson should tell you something. The guy is very replaceable.
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Homotron said:
I would take a lot of guys over Watson. There is a reason Belicheat let him walk, put him on a prolific offense right now and he's invisible. He's not the same TE he was and even when he was lighting it up I still wouldn't put him in the top 5.Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
You're an idiot. There is absolutely nothing overrated about Heath Miller. Steeler or not he gets it done in all facets and sh.its all over Ben Watson and Ben Watson does not have better hands. And he sure as sh.it doesn't block like Heath Miller. Most TE's don't. He's the most complete TE in the NFL. If anything he's UNDERRATED.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Ugh, this is getting old. All these trolls do is hi jack every thread and turn it into pissburgh talk just so they can say we talk about them to much. Most of them post 10 single sentence responses in a row just to get the number of pages up so they have a reason to run they're mouth about how many pages a stooler topic has on a Browns forum.
Honestly, I wouldn't be suprised if there just doing it to get there post count up. When a stooler fan spends 5 hours a day and has over 800 post on a Browns forum says that you talk about the stoolers to much after you made one post about them you cant do anything but laugh at them and hope they get the mental help they need one day.
Where does your brain reside a vast majority of the time. Check the board and see how many Steeler related threads were/are made by a Browns fan and then check the inverse. I won't answer my own question because you already know the damn answer. You have to be one of the dumbest individuals on this message board. I can also give two sh*ts about my post count lol. I spend a good bit of time on the internet throughout the week. Web browsers have tabs. Do you honestly think there are people that sit on this board and spam "refresh"? lol
Homotron said:
Check the board and see how many Steeler related threads were/are made by a Browns fan and then check the inverse.And if there isn't one you make sure to turn it into one...
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Homotron said:
Check the board and see how many Steeler related threads were/are made by a Browns fan and then check the inverse.And if there isn't one you make sure to turn it into one...
And if there isn't one you make sure to turn it into one...
Please. I almost never bring up the Steelers unless brought up previously and when I do it's in intelligent discussion and not meant to be a "rub in the face moment" Try reading the threads before my involvement and then reevaluate your moronic comment above.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Zombo wrote that Otto Graham had 7 rings then 8 rings. Are there any pictures of these rings. What kind were they?
I guess no one had a camera back in the day.
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Heath Miller is overrated...Watson has better hands and is hands down a better TE..And Watson has better speed.....Watson had a damn fine season for us...Heath Miller has help from Ben...Watson had help from basically nobody...
You're an idiot. There is absolutely nothing overrated about Heath Miller. Steeler or not he gets it done in all facets and sh.its all over Ben Watson and Ben Watson does not have better hands. And he sure as sh.it doesn't block like Heath Miller. Most TE's don't. He's the most complete TE in the NFL. If anything he's UNDERRATED.
Homotron said:
You're an idiot. There is absolutely nothing overrated about Heath Miller. Steeler or not he gets it done in all facets and sh.its all over Ben Watson and Ben Watson does not have better hands. And he sure as sh.it doesn't block like Heath Miller. Most TE's don't. He's the most complete TE in the NFL. If anything he's UNDERRATED.yeah keep crying you little steeler faggot...I never said Miller was bad...I just said overrated when theres better TE's out there...And you're the idiot cuz your still here trying to justify your existence at every turn...get a life steeler fag.
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Zombo wrote that Otto Graham had 7 rings then 8 rings. Are there any pictures of these rings. What kind were they?
I guess no one had a camera back in the day.
Zombo wrote that Otto Graham had 7 rings then 8 rings. Are there any pictures of these rings. What kind were they?
I guess no one had a camera back in the day.
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And if there isn't one you make sure to turn it into one...
Please. I almost never bring up the Steelers unless brought up previously and when I do it's in intelligent discussion and not meant to be a "rub in the face moment" Try reading the threads before my involvement and then reevaluate your moronic comment above.
Homotron said:
Please. I almost never bring up the Steelers unless brought up previously and when I do it's in intelligent discussion and not meant to be a "rub in the face moment" Try reading the threads before my involvement and then reevaluate your moronic comment above.LOL.
Im not catholic but I would say you need to go to confession and say a couple dozen hail marys for all that B.S.
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In my opinion the Steelers odds will greatly hinge on whether or not LeBeau decides to come back as your DC or if he decides to retire.
He's coming back and if he doesn't they have Keith Butler immediately behind him. I'm pretty sure Lebeau has already stated he's not retiring because he's having too much fun with the current group.
Homotron said:
He's coming back and if he doesn't they have Keith Butler immediately behind him. I'm pretty sure Lebeau has already stated he's not retiring because he's having too much fun with the current group.OK. I just know there was some speculation on national radio/TV that this Super Bowl may have been his last game.
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otto Graham has 7 rings? Where did he get them? Are they plastic rings that come in cracker jack boxes?
Can you please post a picture of otto's rings.
Thank you and I will pray that you stop obsessing about the steelers.
Zombo said:
Ben has a fat head and a career SB rating of 64. He has two rings because of Dick LeBeau and the Steeler defense.Zombo
--Otto Graham had 7 rings and never raped a soul.
otto Graham has 7 rings? Where did he get them? Are they plastic rings that come in cracker jack boxes?
Can you please post a picture of otto's rings.
Thank you and I will pray that you stop obsessing about the steelers.
Why are you obsessing about the Browns.
Otto Graham got 7 rings from winning Championships.
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Zombo, thank you for admitting that you have no idea where the rings are.
Unless Ben sold his he should still have his rings. (yes there are pictures)
I will pray that you get over your bitterness and hope you win a Super Bowl soon, or at least show up. you'll have to win the AFC North first (just a heads up)
Thank you.
Zombo, thank you for admitting that you have no idea where the rings are.
Unless Ben sold his he should still have his rings. (yes there are pictures)
I will pray that you get over your bitterness and hope you win a Super Bowl soon, or at least show up. you'll have to win the AFC North first (just a heads up)
Thank you.
Why should anyone know where an athlete keeps his championship rings? Do you know where the rings are for everyone who played on the 70s Steeler teams? Hell, Super Bowl rings get bought and sold all the time.
Here is a link to an article showing that the Pawn Shop in Vegas of Pawn Stars fame has SB Rings from as recently as the Patriots title wins:
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patrio...annel-show.html
So, until and unless you can account for every ring won by a member of the Steelers, STFU.
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Zombo wrote that Otto Graham had 7 rings then 8 rings. Are there any pictures of these rings. What kind were they?
I guess no one had a camera back in the day.
Zombo wrote that Otto Graham had 7 rings then 8 rings. Are there any pictures of these rings. What kind were they?
I guess no one had a camera back in the day.
The pictures are up your ass, why don't you look there. That is usually where your head is anyways. When you are there, here is what you may find:
1950 Browns NFL Championship Ring
1955 Browns NFL Championship Ring.
If you want any more, just dig further up your ass.
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Homotron said:
Please. I almost never bring up the Steelers unless brought up previously and when I do it's in intelligent discussion and not meant to be a "rub in the face moment" Try reading the threads before my involvement and then reevaluate your moronic comment above.LOL.
Im not catholic but I would say you need to go to confession and say a couple dozen hail marys for all that B.S.
LOL.
Im not catholic but I would say you need to go to confession and say a couple dozen hail marys for all that B.S.
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.
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LOL.
Im not catholic but I would say you need to go to confession and say a couple dozen hail marys for all that B.S.
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.
Homotron said:
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.Yeah sure whatever, I believe you.
maybe just maybe that's why your name is homotron and your signature puts the cherry on it.
Btw,who brought any thing to your door step? Does someone put a gun on you forcing you to reply?
If not then every thing you just said is typical fag talk.
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Homotron said:
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.Yeah sure whatever, I believe you.
maybe just maybe that's why your name is homotron and your signature puts the cherry on it.
Btw,who brought any thing to your door step? Does someone put a gun on you forcing you to reply?
If not then every thing you just said is typical fag talk.
Yeah sure whatever, I believe you.
maybe just maybe that's why your name is homotron and your signature puts the cherry on it.
Btw,who brought any thing to your door step? Does someone put a gun on you forcing you to reply?
If not then every thing you just said is typical fag talk.
My name was changed so I posted the Snatch98 part and the last part was/is a constant reminder anytime someone wants to get cute and trash on Pittsburgh. Good news though, the new Forbes list only has 3 or 4 Ohio cities on the hook. I believe Canton was removed. As far as the latter is concerned no there isn't a gun to my head but I'm argumentative and when I am trying to have a legit conversation the scope is usually changed in minutes when a mouth breather shows up and pops off. I also live in Western PA, starting the Steeler hate threads bring things to "my doorstep" despite this being a Cleveland message board. I did a good portion of the last 10 year in or around Ohio. Lived near Cleveland for 5 and Columbus for 2. Some of my greatest friends are Browns diehards and I love it when you ladies get all butt hurt over my involvement.
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Zombo said:
How could you not? He let his team and city down by missing four games for immature boorish behaviour and then threw two interceptions in the Super Bowl, and then STILL had an opportunity to lead his team down the field for the win and crapped his pants.Yes, "Leader" is the one word everyone associates with Ben.
Zombo
I wonder why he didn't call Shittsburgh's remaining timeout on that final drive? The offense was in disarray, confused and getting beat down. A true leader realizes that that is when you call a timeout. It's your last down in the Superbowl.
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