Odds of winning the 2011 season Super Bowl
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LOL.
Im not catholic but I would say you need to go to confession and say a couple dozen hail marys for all that B.S.
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.
Homotron said:
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.Yeah sure whatever, I believe you.
maybe just maybe that's why your name is homotron and your signature puts the cherry on it.
Btw,who brought any thing to your door step? Does someone put a gun on you forcing you to reply?
If not then every thing you just said is typical fag talk.
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Homotron said:
Do you want to bet on it? I don't believe I've EVER started a thread here for one and when I mention the Steelers the Steelers have already been brought up. I know you won't take the time to go back through my posts. I'm not here to troll and only get involved in the sh.it storm when the sh.it storm is already in full swing/and or brought to my door step. If I do happen to mention anything Steeler without it being provoked it's in intelligent discussion which at some point brings out the trolls.Yeah sure whatever, I believe you.
maybe just maybe that's why your name is homotron and your signature puts the cherry on it.
Btw,who brought any thing to your door step? Does someone put a gun on you forcing you to reply?
If not then every thing you just said is typical fag talk.
Yeah sure whatever, I believe you.
maybe just maybe that's why your name is homotron and your signature puts the cherry on it.
Btw,who brought any thing to your door step? Does someone put a gun on you forcing you to reply?
If not then every thing you just said is typical fag talk.
My name was changed so I posted the Snatch98 part and the last part was/is a constant reminder anytime someone wants to get cute and trash on Pittsburgh. Good news though, the new Forbes list only has 3 or 4 Ohio cities on the hook. I believe Canton was removed. As far as the latter is concerned no there isn't a gun to my head but I'm argumentative and when I am trying to have a legit conversation the scope is usually changed in minutes when a mouth breather shows up and pops off. I also live in Western PA, starting the Steeler hate threads bring things to "my doorstep" despite this being a Cleveland message board. I did a good portion of the last 10 year in or around Ohio. Lived near Cleveland for 5 and Columbus for 2. Some of my greatest friends are Browns diehards and I love it when you ladies get all butt hurt over my involvement.
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Zombo said:
How could you not? He let his team and city down by missing four games for immature boorish behaviour and then threw two interceptions in the Super Bowl, and then STILL had an opportunity to lead his team down the field for the win and crapped his pants.Yes, "Leader" is the one word everyone associates with Ben.
Zombo
I wonder why he didn't call Shittsburgh's remaining timeout on that final drive? The offense was in disarray, confused and getting beat down. A true leader realizes that that is when you call a timeout. It's your last down in the Superbowl.
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mikeyP72 said:
Regardless of your motives, you and your own group of mouth-breathers continually degrading every single on of our posts, makes me read this board less and less. Congrats I guess. How's the SB loss feeling?And Heath Miller being the best TE in the game is COMICAL. Dallas Clark, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Zach Miller, Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow, Visanthe Schiancoe, etc. I would take all of them in a heartbeat over Miller. Your homer blinders are just as bad as anyone else you ridicule for the same thing.
First off try reading. I never said he's the best TE in the game. I said he's ONE OF THE BEST and easily the most complete TE in the game. As far as the former is concerned please find somewhere on this message board where I've blatantly degraded anything that wasn't previously provoked. I'd say it's the other way around and it's those posts that start the drama. If you're looking to place blame, place it on some of your own, yourself included for starting the almost routine sh.it storm on this message board. I came here to play nice a few years ago and have played nice plenty of times. Unfortunately there really are mouth breathers in the Brown and Orange that continually make threads something that they aren't or shouldn't be. Once again read you xxxxing idiot. I also think that it's HILARIOUS that you included Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow and Shiancoe as being above Miller. Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!
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mikeyP72 said:
Regardless of your motives, you and your own group of mouth-breathers continually degrading every single on of our posts, makes me read this board less and less. Congrats I guess. How's the SB loss feeling?And Heath Miller being the best TE in the game is COMICAL. Dallas Clark, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Zach Miller, Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow, Visanthe Schiancoe, etc. I would take all of them in a heartbeat over Miller. Your homer blinders are just as bad as anyone else you ridicule for the same thing.
First off try reading. I never said he's the best TE in the game. I said he's ONE OF THE BEST and easily the most complete TE in the game. As far as the former is concerned please find somewhere on this message board where I've blatantly degraded anything that wasn't previously provoked. I'd say it's the other way around and it's those posts that start the drama. If you're looking to place blame, place it on some of your own, yourself included for starting the almost routine sh.it storm on this message board. I came here to play nice a few years ago and have played nice plenty of times. Unfortunately there really are mouth breathers in the Brown and Orange that continually make threads something that they aren't or shouldn't be. Once again read you xxxxing idiot. I also think that it's HILARIOUS that you included Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow and Shiancoe as being above Miller. Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!
Homotron said:
Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!I know where you are coming from but this really isn't very true in today's NFL.
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Homotron said:
Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!I know where you are coming from but this really isn't very true in today's NFL.
I know where you are coming from but this really isn't very true in today's NFL.
Of course it is, there are just a lot of TE's in the NFL that don't block or can't block. Every TE in the league is asked to block at one time or another so while I agree that it isn't very true. It does place a premium on TE's that can get open and catch passes and block when they're asked too.
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@slurp-and-burp said:
The Super Bowl loss is not a big deal to Steeler Nation. We are 6-2 in Super Bowl games and our team made it to the biggest game on earth again. The Browns have never been good enough to even set foot on the field that we regularly show up in and win not to mention getting your asses handed to you year after year by the Steelers.Maybe the NFL should never have invited the Browns to join the NFL. I would vote for the Lions and Browns to be kicked out of the NFL for poor performance and being a waste of space.
Seriously, ban this xxxxing in bread dipshit. He adds nothing to any conversations.
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mikeyP72 said:
Regardless of your motives, you and your own group of mouth-breathers continually degrading every single on of our posts, makes me read this board less and less. Congrats I guess. How's the SB loss feeling?And Heath Miller being the best TE in the game is COMICAL. Dallas Clark, Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Zach Miller, Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow, Visanthe Schiancoe, etc. I would take all of them in a heartbeat over Miller. Your homer blinders are just as bad as anyone else you ridicule for the same thing.
First off try reading. I never said he's the best TE in the game. I said he's ONE OF THE BEST and easily the most complete TE in the game. As far as the former is concerned please find somewhere on this message board where I've blatantly degraded anything that wasn't previously provoked. I'd say it's the other way around and it's those posts that start the drama. If you're looking to place blame, place it on some of your own, yourself included for starting the almost routine sh.it storm on this message board. I came here to play nice a few years ago and have played nice plenty of times. Unfortunately there really are mouth breathers in the Brown and Orange that continually make threads something that they aren't or shouldn't be. Once again read you xxxxing idiot. I also think that it's HILARIOUS that you included Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow and Shiancoe as being above Miller. Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!
Homotron said:
First off try reading. I never said he's the best TE in the game. I said he's ONE OF THE BEST and easily the most complete TE in the game. As far as the former is concerned please find somewhere on this message board where I've blatantly degraded anything that wasn't previously provoked. I'd say it's the other way around and it's those posts that start the drama. If you're looking to place blame, place it on some of your own, yourself included for starting the almost routine sh.it storm on this message board. I came here to play nice a few years ago and have played nice plenty of times. Unfortunately there really are mouth breathers in the Brown and Orange that continually make threads something that they aren't or shouldn't be. Once again read you xxxxing idiot. I also think that it's HILARIOUS that you included Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow and Shiancoe as being above Miller. Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!A guy on another thread stated that in the last 10 pages of this board there were maybe 2 threads that could be called "Steeler Hate threads".
And look at the title of this thread....that I started. It was about the odds that Vegas gave to every team to win the Super Bowl.
And just how did that subject matter degrade into another Steeler troll inferiority complex rant?
Because you and your ilk cannot stand a little honest criticism of your team, you can't stand that not everyoned doesn't suck steeler dick, you can't stand that anyone would disparage any player on that team. Is it because Vegas only listed them as 8-1 and not the favorite? That is paranoia, or worse.
You cannot stand that someone might actually have the opinion say that Heath Miller is in fact the 4th best TE in the AFCN.
A perfectly plausible viewpoint that Todd Heap, Ben Watson, and the Gresham kid from Cinci are all better than Miller is to you a call to arms to battle evil dragons.
And you know what.....it IS a perfectly plausible viewpoint that Heap, Watson, and Gresham are all better than Miller.
Now choke on that.
If you don't like that opinion, so what? Cry to your momma. She is the only one you are going to get any sympathy from.
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Heres a sobering factoid for Homotard: Miller replaced someone because he wasnt good enough to get voted in....It was his first trip and first Stooler tight end in the Pro Bowl since Eric Green...LOL!
http://www.steelersgab.com/2010/01/26/te-h...n-the-pro-bowl/
TE Heath Miller Taking Colts Dallas Clark’s Place in the Pro Bowl
January 26th, 2010 Matt Loede Posted in News
Heath Miller will be a Pro Bowl TE for the first time as he’ll take the spot of Colts TE Dallas Clark this Sunday:
Steelers tight end Heath Miller will be named to his first Pro Bowl, replacing the Indianapolis Colts’ Dallas Clark, the Steelers announced Sunday. Clark, who led AFC tight ends in the voting, must forfeit his spot in the Pro Bowl because the Colts will be in Super Bowl XLIV. Miller, the Steelers’ first-round draft choice in 2005, will be the team’s first tight end to play in the Pro Bowl since Eric Green in 1994 and only the fourth in franchise history, joining Elbie Nickel (three berths) and Preston Carpenter.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Homotron said:
First off try reading. I never said he's the best TE in the game. I said he's ONE OF THE BEST and easily the most complete TE in the game. As far as the former is concerned please find somewhere on this message board where I've blatantly degraded anything that wasn't previously provoked. I'd say it's the other way around and it's those posts that start the drama. If you're looking to place blame, place it on some of your own, yourself included for starting the almost routine sh.it storm on this message board. I came here to play nice a few years ago and have played nice plenty of times. Unfortunately there really are mouth breathers in the Brown and Orange that continually make threads something that they aren't or shouldn't be. Once again read you xxxxing idiot. I also think that it's HILARIOUS that you included Dustin Keller, Kellen Winslow and Shiancoe as being above Miller. Just a FYI TE's are supposed to be able to block and CATCH the ball. A lot of TE's in the league don't do both but guess who DOES!?!??!?!A guy on another thread stated that in the last 10 pages of this board there were maybe 2 threads that could be called "Steeler Hate threads".
And look at the title of this thread....that I started. It was about the odds that Vegas gave to every team to win the Super Bowl.
And just how did that subject matter degrade into another Steeler troll inferiority complex rant?
Because you and your ilk cannot stand a little honest criticism of your team, you can't stand that not everyoned doesn't suck steeler dick, you can't stand that anyone would disparage any player on that team. Is it because Vegas only listed them as 8-1 and not the favorite? That is paranoia, or worse.
You cannot stand that someone might actually have the opinion say that Heath Miller is in fact the 4th best TE in the AFCN.
A perfectly plausible viewpoint that Todd Heap, Ben Watson, and the Gresham kid from Cinci are all better than Miller is to you a call to arms to battle evil dragons.
And you know what.....it IS a perfectly plausible viewpoint that Heap, Watson, and Gresham are all better than Miller.
Now choke on that.
If you don't like that opinion, so what? Cry to your momma. She is the only one you are going to get any sympathy from.
A guy on another thread stated that in the last 10 pages of this board there were maybe 2 threads that could be called "Steeler Hate threads".
And look at the title of this thread....that I started. It was about the odds that Vegas gave to every team to win the Super Bowl.
And just how did that subject matter degrade into another Steeler troll inferiority complex rant?
Because you and your ilk cannot stand a little honest criticism of your team, you can't stand that not everyoned doesn't suck steeler dick, you can't stand that anyone would disparage any player on that team. Is it because Vegas only listed them as 8-1 and not the favorite? That is paranoia, or worse.
You cannot stand that someone might actually have the opinion say that Heath Miller is in fact the 4th best TE in the AFCN.
A perfectly plausible viewpoint that Todd Heap, Ben Watson, and the Gresham kid from Cinci are all better than Miller is to you a call to arms to battle evil dragons.
And you know what.....it IS a perfectly plausible viewpoint that Heap, Watson, and Gresham are all better than Miller.
Now choke on that.
If you don't like that opinion, so what? Cry to your momma. She is the only one you are going to get any sympathy from.
Who said anything about sympathy? I sure as hell didn't nor have I ever asked for it. I also didn't turn this thread in to anything nor do I feel I should be aligned with some of the more obvious Steeler trolls. Ben Watson is the 4th best TE in the division. Period. His numbers were inflated this season because he was the ONLY decent passing option for a ROOKIE QB.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Heres a sobering factoid for Homotard: Miller replaced someone because he wasnt good enough to get voted in....It was his first trip and first Stooler tight end in the Pro Bowl since Eric Green...LOL!
http://www.steelersgab.com/2010/01/26/te-h...n-the-pro-bowl/
TE Heath Miller Taking Colts Dallas Clark’s Place in the Pro Bowl
January 26th, 2010 Matt Loede Posted in News
Heath Miller will be a Pro Bowl TE for the first time as he’ll take the spot of Colts TE Dallas Clark this Sunday:
Steelers tight end Heath Miller will be named to his first Pro Bowl, replacing the Indianapolis Colts’ Dallas Clark, the Steelers announced Sunday. Clark, who led AFC tight ends in the voting, must forfeit his spot in the Pro Bowl because the Colts will be in Super Bowl XLIV. Miller, the Steelers’ first-round draft choice in 2005, will be the team’s first tight end to play in the Pro Bowl since Eric Green in 1994 and only the fourth in franchise history, joining Elbie Nickel (three berths) and Preston Carpenter.
Heres a sobering factoid for Homotard: Miller replaced someone because he wasnt good enough to get voted in....It was his first trip and first Stooler tight end in the Pro Bowl since Eric Green...LOL!
http://www.steelersgab.com/2010/01/26/te-h...n-the-pro-bowl/
TE Heath Miller Taking Colts Dallas Clark’s Place in the Pro Bowl
January 26th, 2010 Matt Loede Posted in News
Heath Miller will be a Pro Bowl TE for the first time as he’ll take the spot of Colts TE Dallas Clark this Sunday:
Steelers tight end Heath Miller will be named to his first Pro Bowl, replacing the Indianapolis Colts’ Dallas Clark, the Steelers announced Sunday. Clark, who led AFC tight ends in the voting, must forfeit his spot in the Pro Bowl because the Colts will be in Super Bowl XLIV. Miller, the Steelers’ first-round draft choice in 2005, will be the team’s first tight end to play in the Pro Bowl since Eric Green in 1994 and only the fourth in franchise history, joining Elbie Nickel (three berths) and Preston Carpenter.
Hey numb nuts I've already alluded to the fact that Miller doesn't put up huge numbers because of the way our offense operates. It doesn't mean he's not capable. He's the most complete TE in the league, the Steelers just don't use TE's in the same capacity as other teams. He put up more pass heavy numbers in 09. Eric Green mentioned in this same article was the last te even used in a more pass heavy capacity. Put the guy on a TE pass heavy team and he puts up monster numbers every year. He can also block like a lineman and is easily one the highest character guys in the league. I guess you can't read. The article also shows just how few have made the pro bowl from the TE position on the Steelers. All of which directly points to my "style of offense" statement. I don't think anyone in Pittsburgh or on the Steelers cares if he makes the pro bowl. We make Super Bowls because of players like Heath Miller. You can have the Pro Bowl lol. Our guys usually don't play when nominated anyway. They have more important games to play.
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mikeyP72 said:
Andy's usually pretty cool headed but he's right this moron has to go.I'm not getting into it any more.
As for Homo, such a big impact TE would have been the target on 3rd and 5 and 4th and 5 if he were that big of a playmaker. Instead Big Ben threw to Mike Wallace. When its game time Miller is an after thought. Stop stroking your average TE and move on.
News to me. Ben has said on 500 occasions that Miller is his safety valve and he went to Wallace because we had 1 timeout, Miller isn't fast and Wallace has the ability to do something after the catch. Rocket science I know and you're a damn genius.
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Best Video Ever!
Enjoy that losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Green+Yellow
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I feel kinda bad that homo can't afford it, maybe we can take up a collection for him.
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A guy on another thread stated that in the last 10 pages of this board there were maybe 2 threads that could be called "Steeler Hate threads".
And look at the title of this thread....that I started. It was about the odds that Vegas gave to every team to win the Super Bowl.
And just how did that subject matter degrade into another Steeler troll inferiority complex rant?
Because you and your ilk cannot stand a little honest criticism of your team, you can't stand that not everyoned doesn't suck steeler dick, you can't stand that anyone would disparage any player on that team. Is it because Vegas only listed them as 8-1 and not the favorite? That is paranoia, or worse.
You cannot stand that someone might actually have the opinion say that Heath Miller is in fact the 4th best TE in the AFCN.
A perfectly plausible viewpoint that Todd Heap, Ben Watson, and the Gresham kid from Cinci are all better than Miller is to you a call to arms to battle evil dragons.
And you know what.....it IS a perfectly plausible viewpoint that Heap, Watson, and Gresham are all better than Miller.
Now choke on that.
If you don't like that opinion, so what? Cry to your momma. She is the only one you are going to get any sympathy from.
Who said anything about sympathy? I sure as hell didn't nor have I ever asked for it. I also didn't turn this thread in to anything nor do I feel I should be aligned with some of the more obvious Steeler trolls. Ben Watson is the 4th best TE in the division. Period. His numbers were inflated this season because he was the ONLY decent passing option for a ROOKIE QB.
Homotron said:
Who said anything about sympathy? I sure as hell didn't nor have I ever asked for it. I also didn't turn this thread in to anything nor do I feel I should be aligned with some of the more obvious Steeler trolls. Ben Watson is the 4th best TE in the division. Period. His numbers were inflated this season because he was the ONLY decent passing option for a ROOKIE QB.How productive a player is determines how good he is. Ben Watson may in fact have been the most productive TE in the division.....and if so, that makes him the best.
You are basing your opinion on what you think should be the case, not what is the case.
Not only was Watson more productive than his counterparts, I think he has more innate talent than both Heap and Miller.
Gresham may have more innate talent, but, being a rookie, his production wasn't as good. But I suspect he will get there.
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Homotron said:
Who said anything about sympathy? I sure as hell didn't nor have I ever asked for it. I also didn't turn this thread in to anything nor do I feel I should be aligned with some of the more obvious Steeler trolls. Ben Watson is the 4th best TE in the division. Period. His numbers were inflated this season because he was the ONLY decent passing option for a ROOKIE QB.How productive a player is determines how good he is. Ben Watson may in fact have been the most productive TE in the division.....and if so, that makes him the best.
You are basing your opinion on what you think should be the case, not what is the case.
Not only was Watson more productive than his counterparts, I think he has more innate talent than both Heap and Miller.
Gresham may have more innate talent, but, being a rookie, his production wasn't as good. But I suspect he will get there.
How productive a player is determines how good he is. Ben Watson may in fact have been the most productive TE in the division.....and if so, that makes him the best.
You are basing your opinion on what you think should be the case, not what is the case.
Not only was Watson more productive than his counterparts, I think he has more innate talent than both Heap and Miller.
Gresham may have more innate talent, but, being a rookie, his production wasn't as good. But I suspect he will get there
.*sigh* Ben Watson is a Cleveland Brown for a reason. He had no where else to go. Seriously. I know that's a harsh critique but those are in FACT the facts. He had a bad case of the dropsies and a couple of down years in New England. They deemed him not productive enough even in that pass happy offense and let him walk. He was the only option in the Cleveland offense. I certainly don't think he's bad but to imply he's the best TE in the division is both hilarious and naive. I wish we could put this to the talking heads of the league because they'd laugh this argument right off the television. Ben Watson isn't better than any of the TE's in the division and wouldn't start for any of the other teams in the North.
EDIT: Just look at his career stats. He had one pass happy year in New England. He doesn't and really can't block and has had issues with dropping the ball in the past. Put Heath Miller, Heap or Gresham on the Browns and they're going to put up huge numbers but Miller can actually block and despite what was posted in this thread is not injury prone. I want a complete TE on my team and Heath Miller is one of the very few complete tight ends in the NFL.
And here is a more Non-fantasy football ranking.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05...he-top-10-list/
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If we're talking numbers just for the sake of argument Heath Miller has 400 more career receiving yards and 6 more TD's and that's with one less season on the field.
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How productive a player is determines how good he is. Ben Watson may in fact have been the most productive TE in the division.....and if so, that makes him the best.
You are basing your opinion on what you think should be the case, not what is the case.
Not only was Watson more productive than his counterparts, I think he has more innate talent than both Heap and Miller.
Gresham may have more innate talent, but, being a rookie, his production wasn't as good. But I suspect he will get there
.*sigh* Ben Watson is a Cleveland Brown for a reason. He had no where else to go. Seriously. I know that's a harsh critique but those are in FACT the facts. He had a bad case of the dropsies and a couple of down years in New England. They deemed him not productive enough even in that pass happy offense and let him walk. He was the only option in the Cleveland offense. I certainly don't think he's bad but to imply he's the best TE in the division is both hilarious and naive. I wish we could put this to the talking heads of the league because they'd laugh this argument right off the television. Ben Watson isn't better than any of the TE's in the division and wouldn't start for any of the other teams in the North.
EDIT: Just look at his career stats. He had one pass happy year in New England. He doesn't and really can't block and has had issues with dropping the ball in the past. Put Heath Miller, Heap or Gresham on the Browns and they're going to put up huge numbers but Miller can actually block and despite what was posted in this thread is not injury prone. I want a complete TE on my team and Heath Miller is one of the very few complete tight ends in the NFL.
And here is a more Non-fantasy football ranking.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05...he-top-10-list/
ANNNNNND
If we're talking numbers just for the sake of argument Heath Miller has 400 more career receiving yards and 6 more TD's and that's with one less season on the field.
Homotron said:
Miller can actually block and despite what was posted in this thread is not injury prone.Not yet. However those concussions are going to start catching up to him. He may be done in three years if he keeps getting his bell rung like he did this year.
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Homotron said:
Miller can actually block and despite what was posted in this thread is not injury prone.Not yet. However those concussions are going to start catching up to him. He may be done in three years if he keeps getting his bell rung like he did this year.
Not yet. However those concussions are going to start catching up to him. He may be done in three years if he keeps getting his bell rung like he did this year.
Agreed but none of his concussions have been severe and I posted a edit above for the "numbers guys"
400 more receiving yards, 6 more TD's and one less season than Watson and he's one of, if not THE best blocking TE in the NFL.
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How productive a player is determines how good he is. Ben Watson may in fact have been the most productive TE in the division.....and if so, that makes him the best.
You are basing your opinion on what you think should be the case, not what is the case.
Not only was Watson more productive than his counterparts, I think he has more innate talent than both Heap and Miller.
Gresham may have more innate talent, but, being a rookie, his production wasn't as good. But I suspect he will get there
.*sigh* Ben Watson is a Cleveland Brown for a reason. He had no where else to go. Seriously. I know that's a harsh critique but those are in FACT the facts. He had a bad case of the dropsies and a couple of down years in New England. They deemed him not productive enough even in that pass happy offense and let him walk. He was the only option in the Cleveland offense. I certainly don't think he's bad but to imply he's the best TE in the division is both hilarious and naive. I wish we could put this to the talking heads of the league because they'd laugh this argument right off the television. Ben Watson isn't better than any of the TE's in the division and wouldn't start for any of the other teams in the North.
EDIT: Just look at his career stats. He had one pass happy year in New England. He doesn't and really can't block and has had issues with dropping the ball in the past. Put Heath Miller, Heap or Gresham on the Browns and they're going to put up huge numbers but Miller can actually block and despite what was posted in this thread is not injury prone. I want a complete TE on my team and Heath Miller is one of the very few complete tight ends in the NFL.
And here is a more Non-fantasy football ranking.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05...he-top-10-list/
ANNNNNND
If we're talking numbers just for the sake of argument Heath Miller has 400 more career receiving yards and 6 more TD's and that's with one less season on the field.
Homotron said:
*sigh* Ben Watson is a Cleveland Brown for a reason. He had no where else to go. Seriously. I know that's a harsh critique but those are in FACT the facts. He had a bad case of the dropsies and a couple of down years in New England. They deemed him not productive enough even in that pass happy offense and let him walk.Who gives a shit how or why they got him. They got him, and he turned out to be the best TE in the AFCN. Like I said on the other thread, maybe the problem was his fit in the system, not him
He was the only option in the Cleveland offense. I certainly don't think he's bad but to imply he's the best TE in the division is both hilarious and naive. I wish we could put this to the talking heads of the league because they'd laugh this argument right off the television. Ben Watson isn't better than any of the TE's in the division and wouldn't start for any of the other teams in the North.
He had a better year than any of the other TEs in the division. And yes, sure, I would be glad to see the so called experts debate it.
EDIT: Just look at his career stats. He had one pass happy year in New England. He doesn't and really can't block and has had issues with dropping the ball in the past. Put Heath Miller, Heap or Gresham on the Browns and they're going to put up huge numbers but Miller can actually block and despite what was posted in this thread is not injury prone. I want a complete TE on my team and Heath Miller is one of the very few complete tight ends in the NFL.
And here is a more Non-fantasy football ranking.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05...he-top-10-list/
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If we're talking numbers just for the sake of argument Heath Miller has 400 more career receiving yards and 6 more TD's and that's with one less season on the field.
What this shows with his big year in New England and his big year with the Browns is that he is perfectly capable of performing at a high level, and that he may just not have been with the right system there.
The statistics show that for 2010 he was the most productive TE in the AFCN. That even as the main target in the Browns passing attack he was able to excel with maybe even a lot of double teams on him
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And your blog link is one opinion. I looked up several others that wholly disagreed with that one. In fact I think I did list one on the other thread. I am sure we could find any number that would put the 4 TEs in the division all over the board.
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