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  • not only talked football but astutely..............unbelievable or sumtim

    If I run for Senator will anyone volunteer to work for me

  • not only talked football but astutely..............unbelievable or sumtim

    If I run for Senator will anyone volunteer to work for me

    @rich4eagle said:

    not only talked football but astutely..............unbelievable or sumtim

    If I run for Senator will anyone volunteer to work for me

    i won't work for you, but after a couple margaritas i'd vote for you.

    Nice post earlier. i agree with your defensive analysis. i don't agree with the Hillis comment. That guy makes plays on a team that lacks playmakers. Having Cribbs and Hillis in the huddle at the same time created some real problems for opposing defenses. When Cribbs went down, it was easier for teams to focus on our only weapon.

  • Thank you as well Cal........but Hillis does not have moves or speed ............he has good field vision and great hands and desire...............field vision moves and speed make a

    rb be a force for more than a short time

    Peyton is missing two ingredients

    @rich4eagle said:

    Thank you as well Cal........but Hillis does not have moves or speed ............he has good field vision and great hands and desire...............field vision moves and speed make a

    rb be a force for more than a short time

    Peyton is missing two ingredients

    Hillis has great speed for his size and as far as moves, he is a hit the hole and break tackles type of back. The guy has the balance of a cat, and don't go down with an arm tackle. Will a back like this last forever? No.

    But you are trying to compare him to something he isn't.

    Also moves will lead a back to put the ball in awkward positions and lose ball control making it easy for him to be stripped or have the ball popped loose.

    But im interested in hearing who has what hillis has plus moves and speed.

    ill take his frame,speed,hands and desire in the flat any day.

    But If we get some hot recievers that can take the load off him, we may see him for a long time to come.

  • Thank you as well Cal........but Hillis does not have moves or speed ............he has good field vision and great hands and desire...............field vision moves and speed make a

    rb be a force for more than a short time

    Peyton is missing two ingredients

    @rich4eagle said:

    Thank you as well Cal........but Hillis does not have moves or speed ............he has good field vision and great hands and desire...............field vision moves and speed make a

    rb be a force for more than a short time

    Peyton is missing two ingredients

    Okay Peyton does have good enough speed, id say hes quite fast for how big he is...And he dosent have any moves the guy hurdles people like there nothing and your telling me he's not althetic...Also he has one of the best stiff arms in the game and thats a good move to have..

    Hillis may get banged up and i do think we need to add depth to the RB position but believe it that Hillis is the real deal, hes the best thing to come to Cleveland in a long time...

  • i agree that we need a change of pace back to compliment hillis and i do think that hillis has potential and can do some good things for the browns, i just hope that hillis can work on the fumbling issues and not be so careless when he decides to hurdle someone. last time he hurdled somebody, they were waiting for it and got the best of that one.

  • not only talked football but astutely..............unbelievable or sumtim

    If I run for Senator will anyone volunteer to work for me

    @rich4eagle said:

    not only talked football but astutely..............unbelievable or sumtim

    If I run for Senator will anyone volunteer to work for me

    Is your name Palpatine, Senator?

  • @rich4eagle said:

    Thank you as well Cal........but Hillis does not have moves or speed ............he has good field vision and great hands and desire...............field vision moves and speed make a

    rb be a force for more than a short time

    Peyton is missing two ingredients

    Okay Peyton does have good enough speed, id say hes quite fast for how big he is...And he dosent have any moves the guy hurdles people like there nothing and your telling me he's not althetic...Also he has one of the best stiff arms in the game and thats a good move to have..

    Hillis may get banged up and i do think we need to add depth to the RB position but believe it that Hillis is the real deal, hes the best thing to come to Cleveland in a long time...

    @nw220 said:

    Okay Peyton does have good enough speed, id say hes quite fast for how big he is...And he dosent have any moves the guy hurdles people like there nothing and your telling me he's not althetic...Also he has one of the best stiff arms in the game and thats a good move to have..

    Hillis may get banged up and i do think we need to add depth to the RB position but believe it that Hillis is the real deal, hes the best thing to come to Cleveland in a long time...

    OK, Hillis doesn't have the moves of Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders. And he may not be quite as fast as say, Chris Johnson.

    But he has had time where he has had the open field in front of him, and he wasn't caught from behind.

  • @rich4eagle said:

    not only talked football but astutely..............unbelievable or sumtim

    If I run for Senator will anyone volunteer to work for me

    i won't work for you, but after a couple margaritas i'd vote for you.

    Nice post earlier. i agree with your defensive analysis. i don't agree with the Hillis comment. That guy makes plays on a team that lacks playmakers. Having Cribbs and Hillis in the huddle at the same time created some real problems for opposing defenses. When Cribbs went down, it was easier for teams to focus on our only weapon.

    @roach said:

    i won't work for you, but after a couple margaritas i'd vote for you.

    Nice post earlier. i agree with your defensive analysis. i don't agree with the Hillis comment. That guy makes plays on a team that lacks playmakers. Having Cribbs and Hillis in the huddle at the same time created some real problems for opposing defenses. When Cribbs went down, it was easier for teams to focus on our only weapon.

    Thanks, I just do not see Hillis as being a force for very long. Moves and speed make a long term success at RB..............and good hands...........he has the hands

    Do not expect him to do more than he did last year ever again

    We need that RB who is a yard guy and a danger on every down.........GB was lucky to make it without that kind of RB

  • @roach said:

    i won't work for you, but after a couple margaritas i'd vote for you.

    Nice post earlier. i agree with your defensive analysis. i don't agree with the Hillis comment. That guy makes plays on a team that lacks playmakers. Having Cribbs and Hillis in the huddle at the same time created some real problems for opposing defenses. When Cribbs went down, it was easier for teams to focus on our only weapon.

    Thanks, I just do not see Hillis as being a force for very long. Moves and speed make a long term success at RB..............and good hands...........he has the hands

    Do not expect him to do more than he did last year ever again

    We need that RB who is a yard guy and a danger on every down.........GB was lucky to make it without that kind of RB

    @rich4eagle said:

    Thanks, I just do not see Hillis as being a force for very long. Moves and speed make a long term success at RB..............and good hands...........he has the hands

    Do not expect him to do more than he did last year ever again

    We need that RB who is a yard guy and a danger on every down.........GB was lucky to make it without that kind of RB

    So when a team doesn't have something that you say is "necessary" to winning, but they still win anyway, they're just lucky?

    We need whatever makes us better. Your supposed "fix-it-all" needs and "genius" ideas are the same as anyone elses. If they weren't, you'd be running a team instead of bitching online about how nobody does it right.

    We have a runningback. If he even gets close to the numbers he had this year, Hillis will be a success. There are more important needs than finding a scat back just because you have a boner for Darren Sproles. We need to address our more important needs first, and then maybe add a change of pace guy. Like a Jacquizz Rodgers in the late rounds. That's IF we address RB at all, which I don't see as being a high priority for the new regime.

  • @roach said:

    i won't work for you, but after a couple margaritas i'd vote for you.

    Nice post earlier. i agree with your defensive analysis. i don't agree with the Hillis comment. That guy makes plays on a team that lacks playmakers. Having Cribbs and Hillis in the huddle at the same time created some real problems for opposing defenses. When Cribbs went down, it was easier for teams to focus on our only weapon.

    Thanks, I just do not see Hillis as being a force for very long. Moves and speed make a long term success at RB..............and good hands...........he has the hands

    Do not expect him to do more than he did last year ever again

    We need that RB who is a yard guy and a danger on every down.........GB was lucky to make it without that kind of RB

    @rich4eagle said:

    Thanks, I just do not see Hillis as being a force for very long. Moves and speed make a long term success at RB..............and good hands...........he has the hands

    Do not expect him to do more than he did last year ever again

    We need that RB who is a yard guy and a danger on every down.........GB was lucky to make it without that kind of RB

    I used the example of Jerome Bettis elsewhere. He lasted a long, long time in this league and he was bulkier and slower than Hillis, so this propaganda being bandied about by you Steeler trolls that "Hillis cannot last long" is purely farcical.

  • Well..The Browns are fixing something that wasn't really broke. 13th in scoring defense with you're defensive team leader out (Fujita) is just about good enough to get you to the tournament by adding a pice or two. Sounds like Heckert said its difficult to get 3-4 players?..Thats your job Tom..it is tough.. but making 2-3 mill a year it should be tough.. not conveniant for you.

    I don't know this answer but just curious. Has any team gone from playing the 3-4 and switched back to the 4-3? Seems like a large number are going from 4-3 to 3-4 defenses as opposed to the reverse.

  • Well..The Browns are fixing something that wasn't really broke. 13th in scoring defense with you're defensive team leader out (Fujita) is just about good enough to get you to the tournament by adding a pice or two. Sounds like Heckert said its difficult to get 3-4 players?..Thats your job Tom..it is tough.. but making 2-3 mill a year it should be tough.. not conveniant for you.

    I don't know this answer but just curious. Has any team gone from playing the 3-4 and switched back to the 4-3? Seems like a large number are going from 4-3 to 3-4 defenses as opposed to the reverse.

    @peterbell said:

    Well..The Browns are fixing something that wasn't really broke. 13th in scoring defense with you're defensive team leader out (Fujita) is just about good enough to get you to the tournament by adding a pice or two. Sounds like Heckert said its difficult to get 3-4 players?..Thats your job Tom..it is tough.. but making 2-3 mill a year it should be tough.. not conveniant for you.

    I don't know this answer but just curious. Has any team gone from playing the 3-4 and switched back to the 4-3? Seems like a large number are going from 4-3 to 3-4 defenses as opposed to the reverse.

    It is easier to find 4-3 players because so many more teams are either a 3-4 now or are converting. That leaves players that 3-4 defenses won't look at because they don't fit in their system. Running a 4-3 you can find good DT's later in the draft because they are passed over by all the 3-4 teams. It's the same when the 3-4 was new they could pick up these OLB/DE prospects that other 4-3 defenses didn't really want to take a chance on because they would either be too big or too small for what they needed and NT like DT would be looked over for being too big and too slow. Now those kind of players are taken in the first round every year.

  • feel the same way. I told all my friends that I wanted to keep ryan and if that meant making him HC then thats what I would have done. The 3/4 was just taking shape here and now back to the 4\3, just in time for everyone else to switch to the 3/4. Should have no problem finding players for our system though

    @skinny said:

    feel the same way. I told all my friends that I wanted to keep ryan and if that meant making him HC then thats what I would have done. The 3/4 was just taking shape here and now back to the 4\3, just in time for everyone else to switch to the 3/4. Should have no problem finding players for our system though

    Skinny, I am brand new to the board and i too wanted the browns to do anything to keep Ryan. Now a defense with an aging and injured Dline, slow lbers, and half a rookie DB was a very solid scoring defense. Now we dump Shaun rogers, who played injured in 2010 off his torn Achilles in 2009, we let Ryan walk and go to a whole new scheme without the personnel to run it. We are in DEEEEP GUANO as Dick" By thew Book" Jauron and the browns will be bludgeoned by that book.

  • Im not expecting to many big things consdering the switch and theres alot of wholes to fill, but i think that Heckert will bring the right people in and we will be very good on D pretty soon.....Rubin is going to great as a 4-3 DT and there are some other positives to it...

    Look for players in the draft ecspically in later rounds to fit the 4-3 scheme

    Drake Nevis a DT outta LSU would be a ideal fit for the 4-3

  • @skinny said:

    feel the same way. I told all my friends that I wanted to keep ryan and if that meant making him HC then thats what I would have done. The 3/4 was just taking shape here and now back to the 4\3, just in time for everyone else to switch to the 3/4. Should have no problem finding players for our system though

    Skinny, I am brand new to the board and i too wanted the browns to do anything to keep Ryan. Now a defense with an aging and injured Dline, slow lbers, and half a rookie DB was a very solid scoring defense. Now we dump Shaun rogers, who played injured in 2010 off his torn Achilles in 2009, we let Ryan walk and go to a whole new scheme without the personnel to run it. We are in DEEEEP GUANO as Dick" By thew Book" Jauron and the browns will be bludgeoned by that book.

    @akronjoe said:

    Skinny, I am brand new to the board and i too wanted the browns to do anything to keep Ryan. Now a defense with an aging and injured Dline, slow lbers, and half a rookie DB was a very solid scoring defense. Now we dump Shaun rogers, who played injured in 2010 off his torn Achilles in 2009, we let Ryan walk and go to a whole new scheme without the personnel to run it. We are in DEEEEP GUANO as Dick" By thew Book" Jauron and the browns will be bludgeoned by that book.

    I don't know if we will be in Deep Guano with Jauron there, but, I do like the way you expressed it.