Phil Dawson is Still a Brown!
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Who else were they going to tag?
I don't know that I'd consider a 13 year veteran kicker to be on the downside of their career. Many kickers last forever.
Who else were they going to tag?
I don't know that I'd consider a 13 year veteran kicker to be on the downside of their career. Many kickers last forever.
Lou Groza, greatest kicker of all-time lasted 21 years. To me kicking is not as rough as other positions. Not saying it isn't as important, just that they aren't physically active as much. Keep the leg healthy and stay in shape. They don't need to worry about getting hit like other positions, and the running is a minimum. He doesn't seem to be struggling, and I'd take Phil over a rookie any day...
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Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
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Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
They would never sign a GOOD kicker...
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Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
They would never sign a GOOD kicker...
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They would never sign a GOOD kicker...
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Whats gonna be funny is watching Mike Wallace bolt pittspuke for big money when his contract runs up cuz I highly doubt the rooneys will show it to him.
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Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
They would never sign a GOOD kicker...
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They would never sign a GOOD kicker...
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On a side note, please beat Miami (OH) tomorrow so we can have first place in the MAC.
Oh, and your getting your ass kicked on ESPN2 next Friday.
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oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
Because you're a Steeler fan?
Ordinary? Buy a CLUE Rich. Dawson has moved into the top 50 all time points scored (#43 to be exact). He's in the TOP 10 career field goal accuracy- ahead of Adam Vinaterri I may add. This is one time I'll say the guy deserves every damn cent.
And as others have said, great kickers can last 20 years or so. Seven of the top ten guys in most games played were kickers (Morten Anderson tops the list) my dear friend. Dawson passes Don Cockroft this year in points scored- and if the Browns finally start playing decent- he has a legit shot at topping Lou Groza down the road.
In fact (regardless of who he plays for) me and Zombo (I hope) will allow you redemption on the Willie Green- Clarett bet. Buck for every point over under career on Dawson vs. Groza. Right now, that's $545 IOU. Seasonal updates will be prominently posted.
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oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
He has not been an ordinary kicker, he has been an outstanding kicker. And remember, he is a KICKER. He is "only" 36. That might be old for most other football players, but with a kicker he could have another good 5 years or more. Half the active kickers in the NFL are probably his age.
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Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
Dawson might be good and produce but tagging him as untouchable with a $3M price tag seems weird. The Steelers would never make a buffoonish move like that.
Funny stuff from Mike Holmgren.
Giving him 3 million doesn't bother me. The only thing that might be bothersome about it is that it counts against the team's salary cap. In that regard it may seem like a bit much as it could potentially diminish the amount you could spend at other positions.
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Here is the list of the top active scorers in the NFL:
1. John Carney (46) 2,062 1988-2010 7TM
2. Jason Hanson (40) 1,890 1992-2010 det
3. John Kasay (41) 1,823 1991-2010 2TM
4. Adam Vinatieri (38) 1,659 1996-2010 2TM
5. Ryan Longwell (36) 1,583 1997-2010 2TM
6. Olindo Mare (37) 1,420 1997-2010 3TM
7. David Akers (36) 1,325 1998-2010 2TM
8. Sebastian Janikowski (32) 1,142 2000-2010 rai
9. Kris Brown (34) 1,123 1999-2010 4TM
10. Jay Feely (34) 1,120 2001-2010 5TM
11. Joe Nedney (37) 1,113 1996-2010 7TM
12. Rian Lindell (33) 1,084 2000-2010 2TM
13. Phil Dawson (35) 1,063 1999-2010 cle
14. Neil Rackers (34) 1,029 2000-2010 3TM
15. Jeff Reed (31) 959 2002-2010 2TM
Look at the ages. Dawson could have probably been higher on this list with a better offensive team around him all these years, but he is by no means over the hill as a kicker.
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Field Goal Accuracy Leaders among active kickers:
1. Nate Kaeding (28) 86.500% 2004-2010 sdg
2. Shayne Graham (33) 85.950% 2001-2010 5TM
3. Garrett Hartley (24) 85.714% 2008-2010 nor
4. Rob Bironas (32) 85.561% 2005-2010 oti
5. Robbie Gould (28) 85.484% 2005-2010 chi
6. Stephen Gostkowski (26) 84.328% 2006-2010 nwe
7. Ryan Longwell (36) 83.498% 1997-2010 2TM
8. Phil Dawson (35) 83.168% 1999-2010 cle
9. Matt Bryant (35) 82.775% 2002-2010 5TM
10. Adam Vinatieri (38) 82.727% 1996-2010 2TM
11. John Carney (46) 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM
12. Jay Feely (34) 82.258% 2001-2010 5TM
13. Jeff Reed (31) 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM
14. Jason Hanson (40) 81.903% 1992-2010 det
15. David Akers (36) 81.894% 1998-2010 2TM
16. John Kasay (41) 81.853% 1991-2010 2TM
17. Ryan Succop (24) 81.818% 2009-2010 kan
18. Josh Brown (31) 81.557% 2003-2010 2TM
19. Olindo Mare (37) 81.390% 1997-2010 3TM
20. Lawrence Tynes (32) 81.176% 2004-2010 2TM
21. Dan Carpenter (25) 80.851% 2008-2010 mia
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Good for Phil. But it's an Oakland/Cincy move. Who franchises a fooking kicker?!?!
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
Field Goal Accuracy Leaders among active kickers:
1. Nate Kaeding (28) 86.500% 2004-2010 sdg
2. Shayne Graham (33) 85.950% 2001-2010 5TM
3. Garrett Hartley (24) 85.714% 2008-2010 nor
4. Rob Bironas (32) 85.561% 2005-2010 oti
5. Robbie Gould (28) 85.484% 2005-2010 chi
6. Stephen Gostkowski (26) 84.328% 2006-2010 nwe
7. Ryan Longwell (36) 83.498% 1997-2010 2TM
8. Phil Dawson (35) 83.168% 1999-2010 cle
9. Matt Bryant (35) 82.775% 2002-2010 5TM
10. Adam Vinatieri (38) 82.727% 1996-2010 2TM
11. John Carney (46) 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM
12. Jay Feely (34) 82.258% 2001-2010 5TM
13. Jeff Reed (31) 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM
14. Jason Hanson (40) 81.903% 1992-2010 det
15. David Akers (36) 81.894% 1998-2010 2TM
16. John Kasay (41) 81.853% 1991-2010 2TM
17. Ryan Succop (24) 81.818% 2009-2010 kan
18. Josh Brown (31) 81.557% 2003-2010 2TM
19. Olindo Mare (37) 81.390% 1997-2010 3TM
20. Lawrence Tynes (32) 81.176% 2004-2010 2TM
21. Dan Carpenter (25) 80.851% 2008-2010 mia
Field Goal Accuracy Leaders among active kickers:
1. Nate Kaeding (28) 86.500% 2004-2010 sdg
2. Shayne Graham (33) 85.950% 2001-2010 5TM
3. Garrett Hartley (24) 85.714% 2008-2010 nor
4. Rob Bironas (32) 85.561% 2005-2010 oti
5. Robbie Gould (28) 85.484% 2005-2010 chi
6. Stephen Gostkowski (26) 84.328% 2006-2010 nwe
7. Ryan Longwell (36) 83.498% 1997-2010 2TM
8. Phil Dawson (35) 83.168% 1999-2010 cle
9. Matt Bryant (35) 82.775% 2002-2010 5TM
10. Adam Vinatieri (38) 82.727% 1996-2010 2TM
11. John Carney (46) 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM
12. Jay Feely (34) 82.258% 2001-2010 5TM
13. Jeff Reed (31) 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM
14. Jason Hanson (40) 81.903% 1992-2010 det
15. David Akers (36) 81.894% 1998-2010 2TM
16. John Kasay (41) 81.853% 1991-2010 2TM
17. Ryan Succop (24) 81.818% 2009-2010 kan
18. Josh Brown (31) 81.557% 2003-2010 2TM
19. Olindo Mare (37) 81.390% 1997-2010 3TM
20. Lawrence Tynes (32) 81.176% 2004-2010 2TM
21. Dan Carpenter (25) 80.851% 2008-2010 mia
Gip, is there a way to find out his stats on kicks over 40 yards?
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
I can't believe I'm saying this but, I agree with you.
He's a kicker! New England even let Vinateri walk. Why? Because he's a kicker.
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Good for Phil. But it's an Oakland/Cincy move. Who franchises a fooking kicker?!?!
New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.
I think that worked out well for them.
Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.
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New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.
I think that worked out well for them.
Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
"Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin -
oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
Because you're a Steeler fan?
Ordinary? Buy a CLUE Rich. Dawson has moved into the top 50 all time points scored (#43 to be exact). He's in the TOP 10 career field goal accuracy- ahead of Adam Vinaterri I may add. This is one time I'll say the guy deserves every damn cent.
And as others have said, great kickers can last 20 years or so. Seven of the top ten guys in most games played were kickers (Morten Anderson tops the list) my dear friend. Dawson passes Don Cockroft this year in points scored- and if the Browns finally start playing decent- he has a legit shot at topping Lou Groza down the road.
In fact (regardless of who he plays for) me and Zombo (I hope) will allow you redemption on the Willie Green- Clarett bet. Buck for every point over under career on Dawson vs. Groza. Right now, that's $545 IOU. Seasonal updates will be prominently posted.
Because you're a Steeler fan?
Ordinary? Buy a CLUE Rich. Dawson has moved into the top 50 all time points scored (#43 to be exact). He's in the TOP 10 career field goal accuracy- ahead of Adam Vinaterri I may add. This is one time I'll say the guy deserves every damn cent.
And as others have said, great kickers can last 20 years or so. Seven of the top ten guys in most games played were kickers (Morten Anderson tops the list) my dear friend. Dawson passes Don Cockroft this year in points scored- and if the Browns finally start playing decent- he has a legit shot at topping Lou Groza down the road.
In fact (regardless of who he plays for) me and Zombo (I hope) will allow you redemption on the Willie Green- Clarett bet. Buck for every point over under career on Dawson vs. Groza. Right now, that's $545 IOU. Seasonal updates will be prominently posted.
I don't get this? I Love Dawson and he deserves to get paid yet why would you NOT negotiate with him and then OVERPAY him and use the franchise tag? 1) I think this is a ONE year deal. Take your money this year while we fish for another kicker. Why not give him a bonus and pay him less, he may prove to be viable for more than one year. this way it is definitely one year and GONE.
If we sign him for 2 years for 2 mil each year maybe he plays so good we keep him BOTH years. I wonder by overpaying we have guarenteed dawson is gone after this year. had to put a bad spin on it.
I want dawson This year and maybe beyond. he may be one of those guys who can kick another three years very effectively. sadly, by overpaying This year all i think is we have committed(Front Office) to a ONE YEAR DEAL and gone. Short term thinking. I would rather have tendered a two year deal with an option for THREE.
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Field Goal Accuracy Leaders among active kickers:
1. Nate Kaeding (28) 86.500% 2004-2010 sdg
2. Shayne Graham (33) 85.950% 2001-2010 5TM
3. Garrett Hartley (24) 85.714% 2008-2010 nor
4. Rob Bironas (32) 85.561% 2005-2010 oti
5. Robbie Gould (28) 85.484% 2005-2010 chi
6. Stephen Gostkowski (26) 84.328% 2006-2010 nwe
7. Ryan Longwell (36) 83.498% 1997-2010 2TM
8. Phil Dawson (35) 83.168% 1999-2010 cle
9. Matt Bryant (35) 82.775% 2002-2010 5TM
10. Adam Vinatieri (38) 82.727% 1996-2010 2TM
11. John Carney (46) 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM
12. Jay Feely (34) 82.258% 2001-2010 5TM
13. Jeff Reed (31) 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM
14. Jason Hanson (40) 81.903% 1992-2010 det
15. David Akers (36) 81.894% 1998-2010 2TM
16. John Kasay (41) 81.853% 1991-2010 2TM
17. Ryan Succop (24) 81.818% 2009-2010 kan
18. Josh Brown (31) 81.557% 2003-2010 2TM
19. Olindo Mare (37) 81.390% 1997-2010 3TM
20. Lawrence Tynes (32) 81.176% 2004-2010 2TM
21. Dan Carpenter (25) 80.851% 2008-2010 mia
Gip, is there a way to find out his stats on kicks over 40 yards?
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New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.
I think that worked out well for them.
Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
The answer is kind of simple: each team is allowed to put the franchise tag on 1 player per year who is one of their free agents. If you have a good player in any particular year and you want to keep him and not see him walk you "tag" him...as long as you are willing to pay the price for that player of the top 5 players at that position in the league.
In this case the Browns had no other players of theirs who are free agents that they wanted to pay that kind of price for.....except Dawson. And if a team believes he is worth being paid in the top 5 in the league at his position why the eff not tag him? So they did. NOBODY else was going to get tagged, so use it or lose it.
Like I said, the only question to me is whether or not paying a kicker 3 mill may hurt in terms of the total salary cap you would use on your team.
One of the issues in the new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement that expires this year is that most of the owners are going to push to be allowed to also use a franchise tag on a player. If they have a player that is a free agent they will be able to tag him and have him for at least another year....while they work on a possible contract extension.
Imagine if they had this in the NBA: the Cavs could have franchised Whatshisphuk, the Raptors could have franchised Bosh, the Nuggets could have franchised Carmelo, Minnesota could have franchised Garnett OK City could franchise Durant, Orlando could franchise Dwight Howard.
It would allow these teams to keep their quality players instead of losing them to the Lakerphuks, or the Bullshitassholes, or the Knickerpussies or the SickoCeltics etc.
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