Aj Green And Patrick Peterson Wonderlic Scores
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110317_low_wonderlic_scores_ding_elite_nfl_prospects
Two of the NFL's brightest future stars, LSU CB Patrick Peterson and Georgia WR A.J. Green, registered among the five lowest Wonderlic scores of the 330 participants at this year’s NFL scouting combine.
Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.
Green registered the lowest score of all receivers, answering 10 questions correctly.
What does it mean? The Wonderlic test is just a small piece of the evaluation process, designed to gauge the intelligence of prospects. What NFL teams value much more highly is football intelligence — how quickly a player can instinctively read, react and make plays on the field.
"Peterson plays like a low-test guy," one NFL decision maker told PFW on the condition he remain anonymous, "but [if] he's in 'cat' [man-to-man] coverage in the NFL, it's not as big of an issue as it will be for offensive guys."
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"He's a press corner," another longtime evaluator said. "His strong suit is that he can run and press. He won't play for the Patriots, where he's disguising coverage after coverage, but I still think he can be a No. 1 shutdown corner."
A scout with deep knowledge of the kid said, "The more I'm around him, the more I love him even more. I love the kid, and I love the talent. But I don't like the way he plays with his back to the ball. He has an instinct issue, and I think it's tied to his mental [ability]. He can only handle so much. He's not a quick processor. It's a scary year to be drafting in the top 10 because they all have some issue."
The increasing complexity of NFL offenses creates more pressure for a receiver like Green, but teams are still split about how much of a concern his score is.
"He will get it," one evaluator said. "You're going to have to take it slow with him and let him start at one position and let him learn on the run. He's not going to be able to handle learning all three positions. If you ask him to be an X, Y and Z, you're setting him up for failure."
"A.J. won't reach his full potential …," another evaluator said. "I don't know that Julio Jones [who scored a 15, ranking in the bottom 12 among wideouts] will be much better."
A third evaluator said, "You can't cover that guy. He's so difficult to defend. Will it take him some time? It could. That's on the coaches. It's their job not to give him too much. If you overload him, you could have some problems initially, but he's a great kid. He'll work at it. And he'll get it."
Florida OT Carl Johnson produced the worst score among this draft class, registering a 6, and Oklahoma State RB Kendall Hunter was the only other athlete to record a single digit, scoring a 9.
The offensive line and quarterback groups, both expected to score highly given the premium placed on reading defenses and recognizing protection in the NFL, heavily represented the top 10 scores. Alabama QB Greg McElroy registered the top score, correctly answering 43 of the 49 questions he attempted. He was followed by Boston College OT Anthony Castonzo (41), Baylor OG Danny Watkins (40), Wisconsin QB Scott Tolzien (38), Idaho QB Nathan Enderle (38), Central Michigan ILB Nick Bellore (36), Portland State TE Julius Thomas (35), Florida State QB Christian Ponder (35), Michigan OG Steve Schilling (35) and Nebraska CB Prince Amukamara (35).
Although the tests are designed to measure intelligence, many registered NFL player advisers help their clients prepare for the exam, and as a result, the test scores often may be inflated. The Wonderlic company says no tester should improve by more than a handful of points, and any improvement much greater than that should be dismissed.
Castonzo scored a 35 the first time he took the exam last spring, six points lower than he did at the recent combine; McElroy scored a 32, jumping 11 points, and Enderle a 40, falling two. On the other hand, Watkins scored a 15 the first time he took the exam last spring, so his 25-point improvement will be discarded by NFL teams, which have expressed some concern about his ability to handle playing multiple positions despite having the physical skill set to play anywhere on the line. Bellore scored a 21 the first time he took the test, showing a 15-point improvement. Amukamara, who registered the top score for a cornerback, improved by 21 points from the 14 he recorded last fall, and teams that have interviewed him have said the 14 score is a closer indicator of his intelligence.
Wondering if this changes anyone's minds on either prospect.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110317_low_wonderlic_scores_ding_elite_nfl_prospects
Two of the NFL's brightest future stars, LSU CB Patrick Peterson and Georgia WR A.J. Green, registered among the five lowest Wonderlic scores of the 330 participants at this year’s NFL scouting combine.
Peterson was one of four prospects who recorded a dreaded single-digit score, which NFL teams often equate with getting their name right, tying with South Carolina's Chris Culliver for the lowest mark among all defensive backs as both correctly answered only nine questions on the 12-minute, 50-question test.
Green registered the lowest score of all receivers, answering 10 questions correctly.
What does it mean? The Wonderlic test is just a small piece of the evaluation process, designed to gauge the intelligence of prospects. What NFL teams value much more highly is football intelligence — how quickly a player can instinctively read, react and make plays on the field.
"Peterson plays like a low-test guy," one NFL decision maker told PFW on the condition he remain anonymous, "but [if] he's in 'cat' [man-to-man] coverage in the NFL, it's not as big of an issue as it will be for offensive guys."
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"He's a press corner," another longtime evaluator said. "His strong suit is that he can run and press. He won't play for the Patriots, where he's disguising coverage after coverage, but I still think he can be a No. 1 shutdown corner."
A scout with deep knowledge of the kid said, "The more I'm around him, the more I love him even more. I love the kid, and I love the talent. But I don't like the way he plays with his back to the ball. He has an instinct issue, and I think it's tied to his mental [ability]. He can only handle so much. He's not a quick processor. It's a scary year to be drafting in the top 10 because they all have some issue."
The increasing complexity of NFL offenses creates more pressure for a receiver like Green, but teams are still split about how much of a concern his score is.
"He will get it," one evaluator said. "You're going to have to take it slow with him and let him start at one position and let him learn on the run. He's not going to be able to handle learning all three positions. If you ask him to be an X, Y and Z, you're setting him up for failure."
"A.J. won't reach his full potential …," another evaluator said. "I don't know that Julio Jones [who scored a 15, ranking in the bottom 12 among wideouts] will be much better."
A third evaluator said, "You can't cover that guy. He's so difficult to defend. Will it take him some time? It could. That's on the coaches. It's their job not to give him too much. If you overload him, you could have some problems initially, but he's a great kid. He'll work at it. And he'll get it."
Florida OT Carl Johnson produced the worst score among this draft class, registering a 6, and Oklahoma State RB Kendall Hunter was the only other athlete to record a single digit, scoring a 9.
The offensive line and quarterback groups, both expected to score highly given the premium placed on reading defenses and recognizing protection in the NFL, heavily represented the top 10 scores. Alabama QB Greg McElroy registered the top score, correctly answering 43 of the 49 questions he attempted. He was followed by Boston College OT Anthony Castonzo (41), Baylor OG Danny Watkins (40), Wisconsin QB Scott Tolzien (38), Idaho QB Nathan Enderle (38), Central Michigan ILB Nick Bellore (36), Portland State TE Julius Thomas (35), Florida State QB Christian Ponder (35), Michigan OG Steve Schilling (35) and Nebraska CB Prince Amukamara (35).
Although the tests are designed to measure intelligence, many registered NFL player advisers help their clients prepare for the exam, and as a result, the test scores often may be inflated. The Wonderlic company says no tester should improve by more than a handful of points, and any improvement much greater than that should be dismissed.
Castonzo scored a 35 the first time he took the exam last spring, six points lower than he did at the recent combine; McElroy scored a 32, jumping 11 points, and Enderle a 40, falling two. On the other hand, Watkins scored a 15 the first time he took the exam last spring, so his 25-point improvement will be discarded by NFL teams, which have expressed some concern about his ability to handle playing multiple positions despite having the physical skill set to play anywhere on the line. Bellore scored a 21 the first time he took the test, showing a 15-point improvement. Amukamara, who registered the top score for a cornerback, improved by 21 points from the 14 he recorded last fall, and teams that have interviewed him have said the 14 score is a closer indicator of his intelligence.
Wondering if this changes anyone's minds on either prospect.
Definitely- you don't need to be a Rocket Scientist to play in the NFL, but at least average intelligence is a big plus.
Speaking of Rocket Scientists, Sporting News ran an article a few months back listing the smartest athletes. Sport's Smartest Athletes Of current interest Myron Rolle (remember him Florida State, Rhodes Scholar?) thinks Christian Ponder is right up there in the intelligence department too. McElroy from Alabama made the list. Of little surprise Ryan Fitzpatrick (Harvard) of the Bills missed like one question on the SAT, but the big surprise is Pau Gasol quit Medical School to play in the NBA.
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I read an article on Bleacher report where they went over some of the lowest wonderlic scores of the past decade and from what I saw there were a few positions that the score had little or now affect on while it had a larger affect on others. The positions that it affected the most were of course QB, OL, and the Linebacker position. The least affected were actually WR's, DL, and DB's. Of course I didn't really see any WR's that were in a WCO so that could be a factor, but this doesn't really worry me all that much and Peterson should be fine if he's not that smart.
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Well,,,Paul Brown and Bill Walsh always took the smart guys...if these guys are dumb as a bag of rocks I dont want any of them.....But in all fairness...Id rather judge them by the courses they have taken and what are thier study habits...I think thats the important thing.
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Well,,,Paul Brown and Bill Walsh always took the smart guys...if these guys are dumb as a bag of rocks I dont want any of them.....But in all fairness...Id rather judge them by the courses they have taken and what are thier study habits...I think thats the important thing.
Well,,,Paul Brown and Bill Walsh always took the smart guys...if these guys are dumb as a bag of rocks I dont want any of them.....But in all fairness...Id rather judge them by the courses they have taken and what are thier study habits...I think thats the important thing.
Ross Homan from Ohio State has great football knowledge and got like a 3.8 GPA... But he took attendance and participation classes for the most part. Anyone from the MAC high school conference that he came from will tell you that he is dumber than a bag of rocks. So that's the differance really. These guys can get through college with good GPA's and have good football knowledge and instincts, but they can be dumber than some of the workers at McD's or Walmart.
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Well,,,Paul Brown and Bill Walsh always took the smart guys...if these guys are dumb as a bag of rocks I dont want any of them.....But in all fairness...Id rather judge them by the courses they have taken and what are thier study habits...I think thats the important thing.
Ross Homan from Ohio State has great football knowledge and got like a 3.8 GPA... But he took attendance and participation classes for the most part. Anyone from the MAC high school conference that he came from will tell you that he is dumber than a bag of rocks. So that's the differance really. These guys can get through college with good GPA's and have good football knowledge and instincts, but they can be dumber than some of the workers at McD's or Walmart.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ross Homan from Ohio State has great football knowledge and got like a 3.8 GPA... But he took attendance and participation classes for the most part. Anyone from the MAC high school conference that he came from will tell you that he is dumber than a bag of rocks. So that's the differance really. These guys can get through college with good GPA's and have good football knowledge and instincts, but they can be dumber than some of the workers at McD's or Walmart.
I played for the Cardinals, but never got to play against Ross, so I couldnt tell you. Where did you go?
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Both are going in the 7, so they really wont need to know if a rooster laid an egg on top of a barn, which way would it fall, type of question. Also please lord let us get one or the other
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Exactly. It is one aspect that is used if you have a couple of players you can't decide on, then you might go with the sharper of the two.
I am sure there are med students all over the land who can ace the test.
We aren't going to draft them.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Ross Homan from Ohio State has great football knowledge and got like a 3.8 GPA... But he took attendance and participation classes for the most part. Anyone from the MAC high school conference that he came from will tell you that he is dumber than a bag of rocks. So that's the differance really. These guys can get through college with good GPA's and have good football knowledge and instincts, but they can be dumber than some of the workers at McD's or Walmart.
I played for the Cardinals, but never got to play against Ross, so I couldnt tell you. Where did you go?
I played for the Cardinals, but never got to play against Ross, so I couldnt tell you. Where did you go?
Parkway
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the wonderlic test shouldn't be the deciding factor on drafting a player or not. that's why teams bring guys in and talk to them for themselves. they can find out more that way. there are things that the wonderlic test can't show you about a player and as some people have already said, sometimes test results can be deceptive.
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I read an article on Bleacher report where they went over some of the lowest wonderlic scores of the past decade and from what I saw there were a few positions that the score had little or now affect on while it had a larger affect on others. The positions that it affected the most were of course QB, OL, and the Linebacker position. The least affected were actually WR's, DL, and DB's. Of course I didn't really see any WR's that were in a WCO so that could be a factor, but this doesn't really worry me all that much and Peterson should be fine if he's not that smart.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
I read an article on Bleacher report where they went over some of the lowest wonderlic scores of the past decade and from what I saw there were a few positions that the score had little or now affect on while it had a larger affect on others. The positions that it affected the most were of course QB, OL, and the Linebacker position. The least affected were actually WR's, DL, and DB's. Of course I didn't really see any WR's that were in a WCO so that could be a factor, but this doesn't really worry me all that much and Peterson should be fine if he's not that smart.
Its odd that you are quoting the Bleacher report, because I remember you telling me that basically all their articles suck and their writers are all hacks?
I guess they are good enough now to pull quotes from?
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I was an article that used stats from these players careers and went over around the top 15 lowest wonderlic scores. Over all the site is full of hacks but when you can look at it through the stats it doesn't matter. I do remember saying that a few articles are good and interesting, but most of the mock drafts and articles are written on average by 18 year olds who have very little experience and don't research much into what they are even writting about or try to push their own desire on their favorite team. For example look at the guy who wrote 3 articles on there pushing for Favre to be the Browns new QB.
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http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/pm_cleveland_browns_links_anal.html
Matt Bowen, like a lot of people, has Georgia receiver A.J. Green going to the Browns with their first-round pick, the sixth overall in the draft. Bowen also has a unique perspective: The nationalfootballpost.com author spent six years in the NFL as a safety.
So his analysis of Green's skills and abilities, based on a breakdown of a videotaped catch by the ex-Bulldog, has a ring of veracity to it that few commentators can equal.
Now for us, we're convinced that the Browns could, should and will take a defensive lineman if one of the top choices -- Marcell Dareus of Alabama and Nick Fairley of Auburn by name -- is still available. And we're not wholly sure that they shouldn't go after Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller if HE is still on the board.
According to Bowen's mock draft, Dareus and Fairley will be gone -- Fairley with the first pick by Carolina and Dareus to Buffalo with the third overall pick. Sandwiched between them, at least on Bowen's board, is LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
His guess is that Alabama receiver Julio Jones will go to Cincinnati, then Auburn quarterback Cam Newton to Arizona.
That means that under Bowen's draft projection, Green is probably the best player available ... if you buy the argument from some that Miller is a bust waiting to happen. We don't. But even in those circumstances, we'd have to flip a lot of coins to decide between Green and Miller.
Especially after reading some of Bowen's analysis:
High point the ball: Green is essentially working vs. a CB that has a stacked position on him after the release. With the quick jam and the zone turn (back to the sideline), the CB is in the ideal position to go up and make a play cutting off the corner of the end zone. However, this turns into a back shoulder fade with the QB throwing the ball high and to the outside. What we see next is Green playing the ball at the highest point (with one hand) and winning in a situation that favored the defense.
OK, we're sold. Good thing we're not the ones making decisions.
Testing, testing
A.J. Green scored a 10 on the Wonderlic test. Julio Jones scored a 15. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. Folks, that's not a good sign. The Wonderlic is a basic intelligence test. The NFL, especially at the "skill" positions like wideout and cornerback, are thinking positions.
But not everyone believes a low Wonderlic score translates into instant failure. Jeff Schultz, a columnist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution isn't too worried about Green's future on a football field. The kid will get it IF the coaches take their time and don't ask too much of him too soon.
That could be a problem for the Browns, who need a wide receiver to step up right away. But that's not the point here.
Nope, what we're after is seeing how well you would do on the Wonderlic. Click here for a sample test. Oh, and you only have 12 minutes to answer the 50 questions. Ready? Set? Go!
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edit: i put the vid and the link for the wonderlic sample test in my op.
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Wonderlic test doesn't necessarily translate to production on the field. Alex smith had a 40 on his and we all see hes a bust.
And Dan Marino got a 13 on the thing what does that show you.
Wonderlic test doesn't necessarily translate to production on the field. Alex smith had a 40 on his and we all see hes a bust.
And Dan Marino got a 13 on the thing what does that show you.
Good point. Perhaps somewhere there is an article that reports what the Wonderlic tests scores were for some of the best performers.....but I did find this somewhere on line:
Other Pro QBs (bolded QBs shows they’ve won a ring)
42 - Drew Henson
40 - Alex Smith
39 - Aaron Rogers
39 - Eli Manning
39 - Brian Griese
38 - Charlie Frye
37 - Tony Romo
36 - Drew Bledsoe* (*won a Super Bowl, but as a backup)
35 - Matt Leinart
35 - Kellen Clemens
33 - Tom Brady
33 - Steve Young
32 - Joey Harrington
32 - Patrick Ramsey
32 - Sage Rosenfels
31 - J.P. Losman
31 - Matt Schaub
30 - Phillip Rivers
29 - Brady Quinn
29 - Rex Grossman
29 - Marc Bulger
29 - Matt Hasselbeck
29 - Troy Aikman
29 - John Elway
28 - Drew Brees
28 - Peyton Manning
27 - Kyle Boller
27 - Ryan Leaf
26 - Jay Cutler
26 - Kyle Orton
26 - Carson Palmer
26 - Akili Smith
25 - Ben Roethlisberger
25 - Byron Leftwich
25 - Chad Pennington
24 - JaMarcus Russell
24 - David Carr
23 - Jason Campbell
22 - Tim Couch
22 - Trent Dilfer
22 - Brett Favre
20 - Michael Vick
19 - Tarvaris Jackson
19 - Bruce Gradkowski
19 - Derek Anderson
19 - A.J. Feeley
18 - Daunte Culpepper
17 - Aaron Brooks
17 - Vinny Testeverde
16 - Vince Young (6 on first try)
15 - Steve McNair
15 - Randall Cunningham
15 - Dan Marino
15 - Terry Bradshaw
14 - David Garrard
14 - Donovan McNabb
11 - Marcus Vick
10 - Jeff George
8 - Chris Leak
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More stuff I found about the wonderlic:
A score of 48 is still behind former Cincinnati Bengals Punter Pat McInally. A former Harvard grad, McInally is the only player to register a verified 50 out of 50 on the test. That score is what convinced then Coach Paul Brown to draft McInally because he was enamored with intelligent football players. McInally once said he thought the score hurt him because NFL coaches and owners don’t like “extremes” in one direction or the other.
It is rumored Buffalo quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick registered a 48 also on the Wonderlic test, however other reports deny that. The NFL doesn’t release the scores and they are only leaked by scouts and reporters at the Combine. So verification is difficult to do.
Arguably one of the smartest quarterbacks ever in the league Bernie Kosar, who graduated from University of Miami in less than 3 years, doesn’t have a registered score because he didn’t compete in the combine. The reason is he wasn’t graduated by the draft in April and entered the league in the Supplementary draft in August of 1985.
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Damn it, I'm stupid. I got a 32.
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http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/pm_cleveland_browns_links_anal.html
Matt Bowen, like a lot of people, has Georgia receiver A.J. Green going to the Browns with their first-round pick, the sixth overall in the draft. Bowen also has a unique perspective: The nationalfootballpost.com author spent six years in the NFL as a safety.
So his analysis of Green's skills and abilities, based on a breakdown of a videotaped catch by the ex-Bulldog, has a ring of veracity to it that few commentators can equal.
Now for us, we're convinced that the Browns could, should and will take a defensive lineman if one of the top choices -- Marcell Dareus of Alabama and Nick Fairley of Auburn by name -- is still available. And we're not wholly sure that they shouldn't go after Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller if HE is still on the board.
According to Bowen's mock draft, Dareus and Fairley will be gone -- Fairley with the first pick by Carolina and Dareus to Buffalo with the third overall pick. Sandwiched between them, at least on Bowen's board, is LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
His guess is that Alabama receiver Julio Jones will go to Cincinnati, then Auburn quarterback Cam Newton to Arizona.
That means that under Bowen's draft projection, Green is probably the best player available ... if you buy the argument from some that Miller is a bust waiting to happen. We don't. But even in those circumstances, we'd have to flip a lot of coins to decide between Green and Miller.
Especially after reading some of Bowen's analysis:
High point the ball: Green is essentially working vs. a CB that has a stacked position on him after the release. With the quick jam and the zone turn (back to the sideline), the CB is in the ideal position to go up and make a play cutting off the corner of the end zone. However, this turns into a back shoulder fade with the QB throwing the ball high and to the outside. What we see next is Green playing the ball at the highest point (with one hand) and winning in a situation that favored the defense.
OK, we're sold. Good thing we're not the ones making decisions.
Testing, testing
A.J. Green scored a 10 on the Wonderlic test. Julio Jones scored a 15. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. Folks, that's not a good sign. The Wonderlic is a basic intelligence test. The NFL, especially at the "skill" positions like wideout and cornerback, are thinking positions.
But not everyone believes a low Wonderlic score translates into instant failure. Jeff Schultz, a columnist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution isn't too worried about Green's future on a football field. The kid will get it IF the coaches take their time and don't ask too much of him too soon.
That could be a problem for the Browns, who need a wide receiver to step up right away. But that's not the point here.
Nope, what we're after is seeing how well you would do on the Wonderlic. Click here for a sample test. Oh, and you only have 12 minutes to answer the 50 questions. Ready? Set? Go!
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/pm_cleveland_browns_links_anal.html
Matt Bowen, like a lot of people, has Georgia receiver A.J. Green going to the Browns with their first-round pick, the sixth overall in the draft. Bowen also has a unique perspective: The nationalfootballpost.com author spent six years in the NFL as a safety.
So his analysis of Green's skills and abilities, based on a breakdown of a videotaped catch by the ex-Bulldog, has a ring of veracity to it that few commentators can equal.
Now for us, we're convinced that the Browns could, should and will take a defensive lineman if one of the top choices -- Marcell Dareus of Alabama and Nick Fairley of Auburn by name -- is still available. And we're not wholly sure that they shouldn't go after Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller if HE is still on the board.
According to Bowen's mock draft, Dareus and Fairley will be gone -- Fairley with the first pick by Carolina and Dareus to Buffalo with the third overall pick. Sandwiched between them, at least on Bowen's board, is LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.
His guess is that Alabama receiver Julio Jones will go to Cincinnati, then Auburn quarterback Cam Newton to Arizona.
That means that under Bowen's draft projection, Green is probably the best player available ... if you buy the argument from some that Miller is a bust waiting to happen. We don't. But even in those circumstances, we'd have to flip a lot of coins to decide between Green and Miller.
Especially after reading some of Bowen's analysis:
High point the ball: Green is essentially working vs. a CB that has a “stacked position” on him after the release. With the “quick jam” and the zone turn (back to the sideline), the CB is in the ideal position to go up and make a play — cutting off the corner of the end zone. However, this turns into a back shoulder fade — with the QB throwing the ball high and to the outside. What we see next is Green playing the ball at the highest point (with one hand) and winning in a situation that favored the defense.
OK, we're sold. Good thing we're not the ones making decisions.
Testing, testing
A.J. Green scored a 10 on the Wonderlic test. Julio Jones scored a 15. Patrick Peterson scored a 9. Folks, that's not a good sign. The Wonderlic is a basic intelligence test. The NFL, especially at the "skill" positions like wideout and cornerback, are thinking positions.
But not everyone believes a low Wonderlic score translates into instant failure. Jeff Schultz, a columnist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution isn't too worried about Green's future on a football field. The kid will get it IF the coaches take their time and don't ask too much of him too soon.
That could be a problem for the Browns, who need a wide receiver to step up right away. But that's not the point here.
Nope, what we're after is seeing how well you would do on the Wonderlic. Click here for a sample test. Oh, and you only have 12 minutes to answer the 50 questions. Ready? Set? Go!
There is zero debate on Green's athletic ability, none. WCO you also have to be in the right place at the right time- the qb is throwing to an area. So is the guy smart enough to master what he needs to do in the offense?
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More stuff I found about the wonderlic:
A score of 48 is still behind former Cincinnati Bengals Punter Pat McInally. A former Harvard grad, McInally is the only player to register a verified 50 out of 50 on the test. That score is what convinced then Coach Paul Brown to draft McInally because he was enamored with intelligent football players. McInally once said he thought the score hurt him because NFL coaches and owners don’t like “extremes” in one direction or the other.
It is rumored Buffalo quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick registered a 48 also on the Wonderlic test, however other reports deny that. The NFL doesn’t release the scores and they are only leaked by scouts and reporters at the Combine. So verification is difficult to do.
Arguably one of the smartest quarterbacks ever in the league Bernie Kosar, who graduated from University of Miami in less than 3 years, doesn’t have a registered score because he didn’t compete in the combine. The reason is he wasn’t graduated by the draft in April and entered the league in the Supplementary draft in August of 1985.
More stuff I found about the wonderlic:
A score of 48 is still behind former Cincinnati Bengals Punter Pat McInally. A former Harvard grad, McInally is the only player to register a verified 50 out of 50 on the test. That score is what convinced then Coach Paul Brown to draft McInally because he was enamored with intelligent football players. McInally once said he thought the score hurt him because NFL coaches and owners don’t like “extremes” in one direction or the other.
It is rumored Buffalo quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick registered a 48 also on the Wonderlic test, however other reports deny that. The NFL doesn’t release the scores and they are only leaked by scouts and reporters at the Combine. So verification is difficult to do.
Arguably one of the smartest quarterbacks ever in the league Bernie Kosar, who graduated from University of Miami in less than 3 years, doesn’t have a registered score because he didn’t compete in the combine. The reason is he wasn’t graduated by the draft in April and entered the league in the Supplementary draft in August of 1985.
I've heard teams use a cutoff of 20 on the test for qbs, and 25 is better. The results in your other post bear that out with some exceptions.
BTW, RE Fitzpatrick, I have NO doubts that 48 on the Wunderlich is correct. If you saw my link to the Sporing News article, Ryan is a Harvard grad also- and his SAT score was 1580, which means he missed one stinking question on the test. I'd say that qualifies in the genius category.
PS Christian Ponder who's in this year's draft, graduated in 2- 1\2 years, and he wasn't taking basket weaving as a major.
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