Filling 2 Needs With 1 Draft Pick
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Am I missing something? I'd be shocked if the Broncos chose AJ Green at all. Demaryius Thomas has the potential to be a really, really good WR. Not to mention Llyod just had a career year so they're fine at that position.
And I'll be shocked if the Browns draft Peterson period- whether he's on the board when we draft or not. DL\LB\WR all rank ahead of CB on the Browns need list. I don't care HOW good a CB is, someone's going to bust open if you give an NFL qb all day to throw- and the Browns ranked #25 in sacks. #1, I'll save you looking it up- the Steelers. Assuming he's there, I could see the Browns mightily trying to do a trade down to get extra picks.
And I'll be shocked if the Browns draft Peterson period- whether he's on the board when we draft or not. DL\LB\WR all rank ahead of CB on the Browns need list. I don't care HOW good a CB is, someone's going to bust open if you give an NFL qb all day to throw- and the Browns ranked #25 in sacks. #1, I'll save you looking it up- the Steelers. Assuming he's there, I could see the Browns mightily trying to do a trade down to get extra picks.
Why would it be a surprise? He's far and away the best player (with AJ Green 2nd). And has everyone forgotten about free agency? It's not far-fetched we draft Peterson, especially considering we were a horrendous pass defense last year. It's not like teams were afraid to pass on us. It should always be BPA when we pick this high.
This draft is heavy on DL so we can afford to pick up another one 2nd round.
I don't mind trading down but only for the right price, and it would need to be more than mediocre starters and a late 1st rounder.
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And I'll be shocked if the Browns draft Peterson period- whether he's on the board when we draft or not. DL\LB\WR all rank ahead of CB on the Browns need list. I don't care HOW good a CB is, someone's going to bust open if you give an NFL qb all day to throw- and the Browns ranked #25 in sacks. #1, I'll save you looking it up- the Steelers. Assuming he's there, I could see the Browns mightily trying to do a trade down to get extra picks.
Heckert has made it abundantly clear that he is going to draft BPA. This does not rule out that they could trade back, but that's only if the players he wants at 6 are not there, and Peterson is there. He is known for drafting very talented CBs, even when there was not reason for him to do so, and this year Cb is still somewhat of a need. Also I don't see LB being as much of a need anymore with the resigning of Jackson. I think our needs to DL/WR/DB/LB/ and then OL.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Heckert has made it abundantly clear that he is going to draft BPA. This does not rule out that they could trade back, but that's only if the players he wants at 6 are not there, and Peterson is there. He is known for drafting very talented CBs, even when there was not reason for him to do so, and this year Cb is still somewhat of a need. Also I don't see LB being as much of a need anymore with the resigning of Jackson. I think our needs to DL/WR/DB/LB/ and then OL.
Linebacker isn't much of a need? Really? OK, which of our linebackers could start for the Steelers or Ravens? I'll give you Fujita, maybe. As far as Jackson is concerned, you're making a huge assumption he can stay healthy- which he hasn't been able to do for the last two seasons.
If you have 2 guys rated say 92 and 90 on your board, you're going to take the (slightly) lower rated guy if the need position is way weaker. LOL, you guys got corner fixation. Other than a really old Charles Woodson, the starting corners on the two Super Bowl teams aren't anything to write home about. You can get by with very average corners if your front seven is outstanding. and a killer DE will make a FAR greater impact on the Browns than a great CB with zero pass rush.
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And I'll be shocked if the Browns draft Peterson period- whether he's on the board when we draft or not. DL\LB\WR all rank ahead of CB on the Browns need list. I don't care HOW good a CB is, someone's going to bust open if you give an NFL qb all day to throw- and the Browns ranked #25 in sacks. #1, I'll save you looking it up- the Steelers. Assuming he's there, I could see the Browns mightily trying to do a trade down to get extra picks.
Why would it be a surprise? He's far and away the best player (with AJ Green 2nd). And has everyone forgotten about free agency? It's not far-fetched we draft Peterson, especially considering we were a horrendous pass defense last year. It's not like teams were afraid to pass on us. It should always be BPA when we pick this high.
This draft is heavy on DL so we can afford to pick up another one 2nd round.
I don't mind trading down but only for the right price, and it would need to be more than mediocre starters and a late 1st rounder.
Why would it be a surprise? He's far and away the best player (with AJ Green 2nd). And has everyone forgotten about free agency? It's not far-fetched we draft Peterson, especially considering we were a horrendous pass defense last year. It's not like teams were afraid to pass on us. It should always be BPA when we pick this high.
This draft is heavy on DL so we can afford to pick up another one 2nd round.
I don't mind trading down but only for the right price, and it would need to be more than mediocre starters and a late 1st rounder.
See above- teams were passing on the Browns because there was no pass rush to speak of, unless we blitzed linebackers. Now I agree this is an all-time heavy draft on DL, but I still say take Green if he's on the board.
Far and away? Maybe, but CBs don't usually get taken that high- because of the relative impact on play. and as was stated elsewhere Peterson's KR value just wen down due to the rule change.
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Why would it be a surprise? He's far and away the best player (with AJ Green 2nd). And has everyone forgotten about free agency? It's not far-fetched we draft Peterson, especially considering we were a horrendous pass defense last year. It's not like teams were afraid to pass on us. It should always be BPA when we pick this high.
This draft is heavy on DL so we can afford to pick up another one 2nd round.
I don't mind trading down but only for the right price, and it would need to be more than mediocre starters and a late 1st rounder.
See above- teams were passing on the Browns because there was no pass rush to speak of, unless we blitzed linebackers. Now I agree this is an all-time heavy draft on DL, but I still say take Green if he's on the board.
Far and away? Maybe, but CBs don't usually get taken that high- because of the relative impact on play. and as was stated elsewhere Peterson's KR value just wen down due to the rule change.
See above- teams were passing on the Browns because there was no pass rush to speak of, unless we blitzed linebackers. Now I agree this is an all-time heavy draft on DL, but I still say take Green if he's on the board.
Far and away? Maybe, but CBs don't usually get taken that high- because of the relative impact on play. and as was stated elsewhere Peterson's KR value just wen down due to the rule change.
Fair enough.
I would take AJ Green too (but only if Peterson isn't there), for what it's worth. To me, only Peterson and Green are worthy of that #6 pick unless Fairley is still there (which I don't think he will). Other than that, we trade down because some people are actually stupid enough to believe Julio Jones and JJ Watt should be taken at that spot.
But I think another fair assessment is if Haden (who's the inferior prospect coming out of college) can get chosen as high as he did, Peterson shouldn't be out of the question.
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If Peterson is there at 6 you should take him. BPA not to mention we can then move Brown to Safety. Brown said he does not mind playing Safety. So we need to do this if Peterson is there at 6.
If Peterson is there at 6 you should take him. BPA not to mention we can then move Brown to Safety. Brown said he does not mind playing Safety. So we need to do this if Peterson is there at 6.
We have no OFFENSE SO IT IS LOGICAL we draft defense.................DUH????????????????????????????
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If Peterson is there at 6 you should take him. BPA not to mention we can then move Brown to Safety. Brown said he does not mind playing Safety. So we need to do this if Peterson is there at 6.
We have no OFFENSE SO IT IS LOGICAL we draft defense.................DUH????????????????????????????
We have no OFFENSE SO IT IS LOGICAL we draft defense.................DUH????????????????????????????
except for WR I'd say we are adequate on Offense, Offense is a ton about schemes and Mangini and Daboll sucked at it..
We have ONE D lineman. The battle is won in the trenches and these days has a lot to do with pass rushing (which we have none to speak of)... We need D-linemen and there will be some very good ones there at 6. it doesnt matter how good our secondary is if we cant get to the QB
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Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
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Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
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Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
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Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
First, while I concede that point, the Colts aren't the best example. Peyton Manning could very well end up the greatest quarterback of all time. Not to mention that superbowl year was when Bob Sanders AKA mr. glass was actually playing.
Second, we have no one else on the other side at CB. It's not like our secondary is suddenly a strength. Outside of Haden, we have a pathetically weak secondary. Almost as weak as our defensive line. The everlasting conundrum goes: you need a strong defensive line to buy your secondary time, but you also need a strong secondary to buy your defensive line time.
And though it's subjective, i'd go #1 QB, #2 OL, #3 DL, #4 DB. I'd put it #4 behind the 3 most important positions. RBs are a dime a dozen so i'm not sure how you can say it's more valuable than CB. WR is a tossup, but when you have a great QB, you can get past those deficiencies with a great system and coach. I feel like you're severely underrating the CB position a la Darrelle Revis.
cheers
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I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
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Your filling 2 maybe 3 slots if you draft Peterson. Peterson is CB, Brown to Safety. And Peterson can also do returns. So you can either have Cribbs concentrate on WR. Or you can trade him to fill another hole.
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I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
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This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
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This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
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This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
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Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
So would you pick Fairley (Stud D-lineman) over Peterson if they were both there?
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I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
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I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
Ok ok, I hear you. My personal favorite scenario would be to trade down a couple of slots and pick up Quinn, I want a real pass rusher for once.. Pick up a third rounder (depending how far down we drop) for a guy whos been labeled as a freak athelete, with a high motor, and good character (I'm not too worried about the suspension and athleticism and motor dont disappear because you sit out a year). I think Fairley will be there at 6 as well which Id be happy with
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No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
So would you pick Fairley (Stud D-lineman) over Peterson if they were both there?
So would you pick Fairley (Stud D-lineman) over Peterson if they were both there?
It just depends on who they have Higher on there board Id take Peterson because i believe Fairley has more question marks...Also i think Stephen Paea should be the pick in the Second Round hes and absoulte beast and had his way with Oregon,First Round Talent And should Be there when we pick
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