Filling 2 Needs With 1 Draft Pick
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Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
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Id take Peterson in a second assuming Green is gone and neither Fairley or Dareus are there,even if they are he'd still be in consideration simply because he may be the best player in this draft...This draft is very deep with D-Lineman so thats why i wouldnt mind ethier Green or Peterson in the first.
In the second we could easily adress the D-Line considering there will be first round talent there when we pick..Marvin Austin,Drake Nevis,Cam Heyward,Stephen Paea the list goes on, all these guys have a chance of being there when we pick and could make an impact from day one..
Id love to have ethier Peterson or Green with the first selection they both may not be there in which case id like to trade back and grab maybe Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones perhaps
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
First, while I concede that point, the Colts aren't the best example. Peyton Manning could very well end up the greatest quarterback of all time. Not to mention that superbowl year was when Bob Sanders AKA mr. glass was actually playing.
Second, we have no one else on the other side at CB. It's not like our secondary is suddenly a strength. Outside of Haden, we have a pathetically weak secondary. Almost as weak as our defensive line. The everlasting conundrum goes: you need a strong defensive line to buy your secondary time, but you also need a strong secondary to buy your defensive line time.
And though it's subjective, i'd go #1 QB, #2 OL, #3 DL, #4 DB. I'd put it #4 behind the 3 most important positions. RBs are a dime a dozen so i'm not sure how you can say it's more valuable than CB. WR is a tossup, but when you have a great QB, you can get past those deficiencies with a great system and coach. I feel like you're severely underrating the CB position a la Darrelle Revis.
cheers
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I'll even give you that Peterson is the best player in the draft (IMHO he isn't). Maybe he even has Dion Sanders potential (drafted 5th overall BTW, and only won Super Bowls with teams that were already loaded- the 49ers and Cowboys). You HAVE to factor in the position he plays. I'll give you $5 for every cornerback you can name on the Colts roster when they won the Super Bowl without looking it up. (Hint: I just did, and I don't remember any of them)
Potential to change a game & rough value to a team. You can argue about the relative ranking, (other than QB) but I doubt you can put CB anywhere on this list.
#1 QB
#2 DL
#3 LT
#4 LB
#5 WR
#6 RB
The Browns already have a pretty decent corner in Joe Hayden, so we need another? Not in my book. 2010 was different, because we had a desperate need for a defensive back- you might nit-pick and say there were wrs still on the board we could have taken a shot at. The Steelers made the SB, and neither of their corners are as good as Joe. Peterson's return skills are minimized to the Browns because we already have a GREAT KR in Cribbs. The Browns are only set @ #1 (maybe), #3, & #6.
I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
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Your filling 2 maybe 3 slots if you draft Peterson. Peterson is CB, Brown to Safety. And Peterson can also do returns. So you can either have Cribbs concentrate on WR. Or you can trade him to fill another hole.
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I definitely agree, DL is a wayyy more important position than CB, they have the chance to have an impact on EVERY play on defense and they are the first line of defense (pun kinda intended)..
The thing a lot of people are forgetting i think is that we need 3 more STARTING D-LINEMEN! (dont give me shit about Roth, Benard, or Shaefwhatever), Rubin is the only starting lineman we have. We will get crushed EVERY GAME esp in the AFC North without at least 2 good to very good MORE linemen..
Yea BPA is ideal and ultimately the way to go, but to avoid being miserable next year we need an IMPACT player (Peterson is but it wont mean shit when the QB has all day to throw). And oh wait, this draft is stacked with TOP NOTCH D-linemen, its not like we will be reaching at #6 for one. Personally I'd like to go DE and DT with the first two rounds, that would have the biggest impact on our team (if they pan out obviously..)
I like Green and wouldnt be mad at all with him, but Id take one of the stud DL before anyone else (probably before Green as well)
I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
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This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
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This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
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This draft is Deep at D-Line as people previously stated,but i wouldnt say Top heavy because the only sure top 5 are Fairley and Dareus...Bowers knee still seems to be a problem and Quinn hasnt played in a whole year and you'd rather take a chance with the #6 overall pick then take a sure thing with Peterson??
I wouldnt mind seeing us go D line first and second rounds but it needs to be BPA,just because we are extremely weak on the D-line we shouldnt reach for one...
I also think if Green is gone as well as say Dareus and Fairley we will trade outta the pick maybe to the Cowboys or Lions or anyone who really wants Patrick Peterson..That way we could add more picks and address more needs...If we stay there i have no problem taking Peterson and Pairing him with Haden
Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
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Yea maybe you're right and take the sure thing. Dont get me wrong I think Peterson will be a stud.. Personally I'd rather use that draft slot if Peterson's there for trade bait because we need a ton of quality players at many different positions. I just know we are gonna blow on defense next year without 2 more above average D-linemen and free agency isnt guarenteed this year.. I think there is nothing worse than getting run all over on defense and allowing the QB forever to pass, Id rather see an anemic offense again than that...
No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
So would you pick Fairley (Stud D-lineman) over Peterson if they were both there?
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I agree that DL is slightly more important than a DB, but you're out of your zone if you truly believe it's "waaaaaaay" more important.
And you're dead-wrong. Aside from Dareus and Fairley, drafting a DL at the #6 spot is a big reach. It's deep, it's not top heavy.
Atleast hoorta made valid points, yours are just clouded opinions maced with subtle overtones in regards to your desire for a DL.
I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
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I disagree, I think this draft class is both top heavy and deep in D-linemen. With Bowers, Quinn, Dareus, and Fairley most likely going in the top 10, I'd say thats pretty top heavy as well. I know a lot of people have personal opinions and problems with several of those guys, but the experts by far agree that they are all valid going that high, it wouldnt be a reach to take any of those 4 at #6 (not to say they wont be a bust, but thats a different matter).
Also, what about TJ Ward in our secondary? (with your post before) A lot of experts think he was tremendous as a rookie, so thats 2 of the 4 in the secondary that are locked down. And considering Sheldon was playing hurt a lot towards the end of the season, I think he is an adequate starter. Im not saying our secondary is a strength by any means but it is way better than the status of our D-line.
And yes I do have subtle overtones in regards to my desire for a DL, just like you want Peterson, they are all opinions from fans. All Im saying is this years draft class has elite and deep talent at the DL position. The DL positions are more significant (maybe just slightly but w/e) than DBs. And our DL is in worse shape than our secondary. I think if we have Peterson ranked a 96 and a D-lineman ranked a 95, Id go with the DL for more impact on our team. I wouldnt reach too far at all (ie dont pick JJ Watt or Jordan) but Id def pick a similar ranked DL over Peterson if thats the way Heckert et. al. sees it...
Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
Ok ok, I hear you. My personal favorite scenario would be to trade down a couple of slots and pick up Quinn, I want a real pass rusher for once.. Pick up a third rounder (depending how far down we drop) for a guy whos been labeled as a freak athelete, with a high motor, and good character (I'm not too worried about the suspension and athleticism and motor dont disappear because you sit out a year). I think Fairley will be there at 6 as well which Id be happy with
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No i compeletly agree with you id like to see us trade outta the pick if one of the Stud D-lineman arent there or Green is gone as well...We wouldnt probaly move back to far and could easily probaly pick up another 2nd round pick or something which could be used to address the D-line as well...
We defentiily need help up front but there are alot of area of needs which would help if we had more picks
So would you pick Fairley (Stud D-lineman) over Peterson if they were both there?
So would you pick Fairley (Stud D-lineman) over Peterson if they were both there?
It just depends on who they have Higher on there board Id take Peterson because i believe Fairley has more question marks...Also i think Stephen Paea should be the pick in the Second Round hes and absoulte beast and had his way with Oregon,First Round Talent And should Be there when we pick
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Well there's no point in arguing talent, because we can never get on the same page, and that's fine.
But I completely disagree with Ward. I think many Browns fans are overvaluing TJ Ward here. He had a good season for a rookie, but he didnt show me he'll be a future star in this league. He's not great at coverage, and he's adequate (at best) in run-stopping. He'll never shape out to be a superstar like Polamalu. Eric Wright was an absolute mess and Sheldon Brown lost a step, injured or not. He'd be best at safety, not corner.
But I would just like to add, if Peterson was a 96 on many draft boards, only Fairley or Dareus would be in the 90s. Guys like Quinn (who i'm enamored with) and Watt are mid-to-high 80s. We can trade down and still get them. Sixth pick is too high. And when I mean top-heavy, I don't mean first-rounders, I mean little-to-no risk, high reward guys.
We may not agree with our talent evaluation, but we can agree on that much. Most of those DLs aren't sure-things.
Ok ok, I hear you. My personal favorite scenario would be to trade down a couple of slots and pick up Quinn, I want a real pass rusher for once.. Pick up a third rounder (depending how far down we drop) for a guy whos been labeled as a freak athelete, with a high motor, and good character (I'm not too worried about the suspension and athleticism and motor dont disappear because you sit out a year). I think Fairley will be there at 6 as well which Id be happy with
Ok ok, I hear you. My personal favorite scenario would be to trade down a couple of slots and pick up Quinn, I want a real pass rusher for once.. Pick up a third rounder (depending how far down we drop) for a guy whos been labeled as a freak athelete, with a high motor, and good character (I'm not too worried about the suspension and athleticism and motor dont disappear because you sit out a year). I think Fairley will be there at 6 as well which Id be happy with
Ah, now that's something i'm on board with you on. Watch the game. Fairley is a flat-out stud. He's better than Dareus in college, why would Dareus suddenly become the better prospect? Many scouts got blind-sided by the combine numbers, because if Fairley has MUCH more burst than Dareus. I'd take Fairley over Dareus in a heartbeat.
And besides, I like my defensive linemen having a meanstreak, shows they got some xxxxing heart. I don't care if they're a little dirty the same way Ndamukong Suh was. As long as they stay out of trouble outside the football field it's all good to me.
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I'm probably gonna get ripped for sayin this but I would definetly take fairley over peterson. Petersons gonna be good can't argue there but I just like fairley more. Gimme the high motor crazy mofo in the middle makin o-lineman jumpy on the line. JMO...... I think we need a firey and fierce nutjob on the D. We got plenty of high character guys on this team to keep him in check.
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Ok ok, I hear you. My personal favorite scenario would be to trade down a couple of slots and pick up Quinn, I want a real pass rusher for once.. Pick up a third rounder (depending how far down we drop) for a guy whos been labeled as a freak athelete, with a high motor, and good character (I'm not too worried about the suspension and athleticism and motor dont disappear because you sit out a year). I think Fairley will be there at 6 as well which Id be happy with
Ah, now that's something i'm on board with you on. Watch the game. Fairley is a flat-out stud. He's better than Dareus in college, why would Dareus suddenly become the better prospect? Many scouts got blind-sided by the combine numbers, because if Fairley has MUCH more burst than Dareus. I'd take Fairley over Dareus in a heartbeat.
And besides, I like my defensive linemen having a meanstreak, shows they got some xxxxing heart. I don't care if they're a little dirty the same way Ndamukong Suh was. As long as they stay out of trouble outside the football field it's all good to me.
Ah, now that's something i'm on board with you on. Watch the game. Fairley is a flat-out stud. He's better than Dareus in college, why would Dareus suddenly become the better prospect? Many scouts got blind-sided by the combine numbers, because if Fairley has MUCH more burst than Dareus. I'd take Fairley over Dareus in a heartbeat.
And besides, I like my defensive linemen having a meanstreak, shows they got some xxxxing heart. I don't care if they're a little dirty the same way Ndamukong Suh was. As long as they stay out of trouble outside the football field it's all good to me.
Hell yea, I want a guy to embrace the physicality and get after it.. he's a great pass rusher for a DT. He was the #1 pick in a lot of drafts before the combine, everyone said he had a great combine, except he weighs 10 lbs LIGHTER than expected and was a 1/2 an inch shorter?? I can get over that in a real easily.. Plus I think he'd be a great complement next to Rubin the Boulder..
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Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” -
Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
lol wow, all you said we were bs'ing overwho has more talent and that us mf'ers love whoever heckert drafts.
Congratulations! You brought nothing to the table.
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Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
Do you pick a punter if he's the best player available at 6? do you pick a fullback if its the best player available? do you pick a special teams guy or a tight end at 6? Hell no... There is such thing as best player available but it is weighted with the value of the position as well.. maybe Peterson is too good to pass up and actually is the BPA available on Heckerts board which Im fine with. I think (as many experts do) that D-line is a slightly more valuable position so that carries weight when you compare Peterson to a Fairley.. Thats all Im saying, the fact that DL is more of a need for us is just gravy..
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Heckert has said many times you NEVER draft based on needs. He's not gonna do it. You don't settle for less talent to fill a need.....that's dumb. I can assure you if we draft a DL or WR or CB or whoever, the guy was on top of Heckert's board. PERIOD.
I'm no genius, but I know ALL YOU MFER'S are going to love whoever Heck picks 2 nanoseconds after he's drafted. No matter who it is.
If your here BSing about who has more talent.....cool. If your proclaiming who we NEED in the draft.....then start a FA thread because that's where you fill NEEDS.
The Savage years are over!
Do you pick a punter if he's the best player available at 6? do you pick a fullback if its the best player available? do you pick a special teams guy or a tight end at 6? Hell no... There is such thing as best player available but it is weighted with the value of the position as well.. maybe Peterson is too good to pass up and actually is the BPA available on Heckerts board which Im fine with. I think (as many experts do) that D-line is a slightly more valuable position so that carries weight when you compare Peterson to a Fairley.. Thats all Im saying, the fact that DL is more of a need for us is just gravy..
Do you pick a punter if he's the best player available at 6? do you pick a fullback if its the best player available? do you pick a special teams guy or a tight end at 6? Hell no... There is such thing as best player available but it is weighted with the value of the position as well.. maybe Peterson is too good to pass up and actually is the BPA available on Heckerts board which Im fine with. I think (as many experts do) that D-line is a slightly more valuable position so that carries weight when you compare Peterson to a Fairley.. Thats all Im saying, the fact that DL is more of a need for us is just gravy..
It's not BPA period, it's BPA compared to projected round or spot a player will be drafted in. Peterson's position is the only reason he could fall to 6, because CB is never deemed important enough to take in the top 3 and it's rare to see one taken between 3-6. If Drake Nevis is the highest rated player on Heckerts board he isn't going to take him with the 6th pick, he would wait until around the 2nd. I will agree that DL is a more valuable pick put a once in a decade corner at 6 still out weights a D-Linemen who at this point is a one year wonder who's stock as dropped over the past few weeks.
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Do you pick a punter if he's the best player available at 6? do you pick a fullback if its the best player available? do you pick a special teams guy or a tight end at 6? Hell no... There is such thing as best player available but it is weighted with the value of the position as well.. maybe Peterson is too good to pass up and actually is the BPA available on Heckerts board which Im fine with. I think (as many experts do) that D-line is a slightly more valuable position so that carries weight when you compare Peterson to a Fairley.. Thats all Im saying, the fact that DL is more of a need for us is just gravy..
It's not BPA period, it's BPA compared to projected round or spot a player will be drafted in. Peterson's position is the only reason he could fall to 6, because CB is never deemed important enough to take in the top 3 and it's rare to see one taken between 3-6. If Drake Nevis is the highest rated player on Heckerts board he isn't going to take him with the 6th pick, he would wait until around the 2nd. I will agree that DL is a more valuable pick put a once in a decade corner at 6 still out weights a D-Linemen who at this point is a one year wonder who's stock as dropped over the past few weeks.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
It's not BPA period, it's BPA compared to projected round or spot a player will be drafted in. Peterson's position is the only reason he could fall to 6, because CB is never deemed important enough to take in the top 3 and it's rare to see one taken between 3-6. If Drake Nevis is the highest rated player on Heckerts board he isn't going to take him with the 6th pick, he would wait until around the 2nd. I will agree that DL is a more valuable pick put a once in a decade corner at 6 still out weights a D-Linemen who at this point is a one year wonder who's stock as dropped over the past few weeks.
Ding Ding Ding.
People can move in rhetoric, but at the end of the day, some don't understand how special a prospect Patrick Peterson is. Too bad Ndamukong Suh isn't in this year's draft, otherwide i'd retract my statement.
I agree that DT is more valuable than CB, and while Fairley is the only DL that i'd (consider to) take over Peterson, he's not the game-changer the same way Suh was. I'd only pass up a once-in-a-decade CB for a once-in-a-decade DT. And there is none in this year's draft.
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