Cleveland Attendance
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WOW was I shocked when I attended the Indians game Saturday and only 9800 people were in attendance and they were lucky if that many were there. Sunday was even worse 8700 what is up with that.
WOW was I shocked when I attended the Indians game Saturday and only 9800 people were in attendance and they were lucky if that many were there. Sunday was even worse 8700 what is up with that.
I am not surprised. The Dolans have made a concerted effort to alienate the Indians fan base so they are simply reaping what they have sown.
They purposely stripped the team of nearly all the talent they had a couple of years back, then expected the fans to support the minor league product they put on the field. The fans are not that stupid and they are demonstrating that fact. If I want to see minor league baseball I will go to an Akron Aeros game.
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I was gonna say...how much support do you expect the fans to give a FARM team. Thats what the Indians have become, a talent grabber for the bigger teams to make a run at the postseason with. I would assume the owners are more worried about the value of a player than the talent that he can bring to the ballpark daily with. It's sad really. This team has made me stop watching baseball as a whole. They need a salary cap in baseball if they plan on saving "America's Pasttime"...
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I was gonna say...how much support do you expect the fans to give a FARM team. Thats what the Indians have become, a talent grabber for the bigger teams to make a run at the postseason with. I would assume the owners are more worried about the value of a player than the talent that he can bring to the ballpark daily with. It's sad really. This team has made me stop watching baseball as a whole. They need a salary cap in baseball if they plan on saving "America's Pasttime"...
I was gonna say...how much support do you expect the fans to give a FARM team. Thats what the Indians have become, a talent grabber for the bigger teams to make a run at the postseason with. I would assume the owners are more worried about the value of a player than the talent that he can bring to the ballpark daily with. It's sad really. This team has made me stop watching baseball as a whole. They need a salary cap in baseball if they plan on saving "America's Pasttime"...
Agree. A salary cap and a salary floor...that way the teams are forced to spend any revenue sharing money on an effort to bring in major league talent. If you have to pay the money anyway you may as well try to win. Right now there are large financial incentives for teams NOT to win.....and the Dolan's are exercising their right to use those incentives.
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I wish they would just sell the team, that way we have a chance to get a real owner
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I was gonna ask the same thing, i heard them bashing Cleveland on Espn because of there were so many open seats and shit....I dont live in Cleveland but if i did no matter how shitty the Indians were id be there for there Opening Day, Love me some Tribe
I was gonna ask the same thing, i heard them bashing Cleveland on Espn because of there were so many open seats and shit....I dont live in Cleveland but if i did no matter how shitty the Indians were id be there for there Opening Day, Love me some Tribe
Actually, opening day was sold out. It was the other days that sucked. Why? Because Dolan has destroyed this franchise with his cheap ass.
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^^^ EXACTLY
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I can remember going to games when Vernon Stouffer owned the team with announced attendance in the 3,000's.
I don't care how big Muni was, I still say there would be lucky to have 1500 in the place.
Here's the deal folks. Listen good.
Dolan doesn't have the big pockets, so if you want a good team in Cleveland, or a team at all, you best try to make 10 games a year.
If you are waiting for a winner before you go, really, what kind of fan is that??
I understand the frustration, but I see it happening again, and this time the Tribe might not survive.
If you aren't buying tickets, you have no room to complain....and that is the bottom line.
Hell, I live in Tennessee and am thinking of coming up later this month to catch a weekend series.
I can assure you....if I lived inside 50 miles of the stadium, I'd go to 20-25 games a year minimum.
How many people live in the greater Cleveland area these days....say inside 40 miles?? 1.5 mil??
2-3 games each(adults) would solve the Tribes cash woes, so if you are waiting for a winner before you go, just put on your bandwagon tee-shirt as far as I am concerned.
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'Peen,
Normally you & I are in agreement, but not on this one. Dolan bought a team on a record string of sellouts with a SOLID track record of winning & fans buying Tribe gear like it was going out of style. He almost immediately cut payroll, let our good players leave & THEN had the nerve to say he would start spending money when the fans did. In other words, spend top dollar for an inferior product! Not this boy....I don't have money to waste & won't buy another Tribe ticket until he sells the team to a REAL owner. If he didn't have the money & competitive pride to do his best to field a contender, he should not have made the purchase. With the Browns and yes, the Cavs, I see owners really trying to bring winners to Cleveland. I don't see that resolve from Dolan.
End of my rant.
Mike
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I was curious on what the situation was because i know we still sell out the Q and we were pretty pathetic this year....I dont really follow baseball like i do Football but i always root for the Tribe and was wondering why there games didnt sell out like the other teams...But i guess i understand now and i dont expect fans to attend the games when they let C.C. Sabbatha and Cliff Lee get away from the franchise...
Baseball really needs a salary cap to make it a more comptietive league, Red Sox and Yankees buy all the players they want and it seems to be okay i really dont understand it
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Did anyone else see that the dress like a green seat promotion worked tonight?
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Big Talking Homo Southerns ... come on up and attend a Baseball game in fridgid rain with snow still lingering. Screw baseball in the 'winter'.
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Did anyone else see that the dress like a green seat promotion worked tonight?
Did anyone else see that the dress like a green seat promotion worked tonight?
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'Peen,
Normally you & I are in agreement, but not on this one. Dolan bought a team on a record string of sellouts with a SOLID track record of winning & fans buying Tribe gear like it was going out of style. He almost immediately cut payroll, let our good players leave & THEN had the nerve to say he would start spending money when the fans did. In other words, spend top dollar for an inferior product! Not this boy....I don't have money to waste & won't buy another Tribe ticket until he sells the team to a REAL owner. If he didn't have the money & competitive pride to do his best to field a contender, he should not have made the purchase. With the Browns and yes, the Cavs, I see owners really trying to bring winners to Cleveland. I don't see that resolve from Dolan.
End of my rant.
Mike
'Peen,
Normally you & I are in agreement, but not on this one. Dolan bought a team on a record string of sellouts with a SOLID track record of winning & fans buying Tribe gear like it was going out of style. He almost immediately cut payroll, let our good players leave & THEN had the nerve to say he would start spending money when the fans did. In other words, spend top dollar for an inferior product! Not this boy....I don't have money to waste & won't buy another Tribe ticket until he sells the team to a REAL owner. If he didn't have the money & competitive pride to do his best to field a contender, he should not have made the purchase. With the Browns and yes, the Cavs, I see owners really trying to bring winners to Cleveland. I don't see that resolve from Dolan.
End of my rant.
Mike
I know we do, and this is more a point of view then it is agree or disagree, so all is cool here.
I guess my only point is driving the guy further in debt to make a point doesn't seem to be the way to get a better team.
JMO
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Big Talking Homo Southerns ... come on up and attend a Baseball game in fridgid rain with snow still lingering. Screw baseball in the 'winter'.
Big Talking Homo Southerns ... come on up and attend a Baseball game in fridgid rain with snow still lingering. Screw baseball in the 'winter'.
I guess you are talking to me since I am the only southerner on this thread unless you are including Canton as a southern city.
I said over the course of the season. No doubt baseball starts too early. Especially in a stadium without a dome, in a climate that is cold 9-10 months of the year.
"Let's build a outdoor stadium on the shores of a Great Lake where the weather is unpredictable and cold most of the year."
When I come up for a couple of games this year, I expect to see your ass sitting next to me where we can watch and talk baseball.
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I mean I see both sides of the argument here. I know Paul Dolan isn't necessarily a wealthy owner, but come on. He can't expect to not stretch his budget and take a chance to support fans coming to the ball park. Peen, I love the tribe and watch them every night. I live in NC, but if I lived in Cleveland I wouldn't be going to games often. Baseball is extremely unique in that you can spend as much as you want to build your team. Cleveland is NOT a small market team, yet our payroll is $50 million. I know it goes both ways, but that old saying rings true: gotta spend money to make money. Oh, how I think what our team could be if Dolan was aggressive and paid people. C.C, cliff Lee come to mind..
Bottom line, we're slowly turning into the pirates. We actually get good talent, but trade em away and keep losing.
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Trust me, I see both sides as well.
I just don't see how boycotting the team or taking in a token game or two is going to solve anything.
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Trust me, I see both sides as well.
I just don't see how boycotting the team or taking in a token game or two is going to solve anything.
Trust me, I see both sides as well.
I just don't see how boycotting the team or taking in a token game or two is going to solve anything.
yea i agree, that's just a tough question to answer and both sides are right IMO. On the one hand, we should support the city and the team no matter what. I think most fans in Cleveland do that. But on the other hand, if everyone had your particular mindset it would lead to Dolan thinking "man, I don't have to spend money to make a team worth anything and these fools will still make me rich!" Ya know? There's just not a right or wrong solution to the problem, I just think in the MLB if you're in a market that supports it you HAVE to go out and spend money, there's no excuse not to.
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