Will The Browns Trade For Kolb
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This sounds like a fantastic idea. Let's spend multiple picks (including a first rounder) on an unproven guy who has never been in the Browns locker room. Let's not give a chance to the guy who we only spent a third round pick on, is already stepping up to be a team leader, has a good track record of winning, wants to be here, gels with the guys in the locker room, and did pretty well last year considering the circumstances.
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You realize that we have two first next year, right? That alone puts us in a position to go after Luck. It really will depend on who finishes with the #1. If it is Carolina, which is a great possibility, they will really want to trade out of the 1 hole. In all likelihood, we will have a 25-30 and a 7-17 to move up with. I'm not big on mortgaging your draft for a player but a player like Luck doesn't come along that often.
I posted this elsewhere a couple of times and I'll say it again here. The Browns would have to be drafting in the top three spots to even have a prayer (assuming he doesn't break an arm or leg in the meantime) of drafting Luck. Elsewise, you'd have to come up with a Ditka give away the entire draft to move up. Luck ain't worth it. Consult the many on line draft value charts if you don't believe me.
REPOST The other problem is the first overall pick has such a high point value- you're going to have to give away the ranch to get it. Here's what it would cost- if next year was this year. The Browns have their own pick #6, and Atlanta's #24. To move up to first overall, it will cost both those picks, plus our second and fourth round picks. AT LEAST. Still interested?
Plus if a qb needy team is sitting @ #1, (almost a certainty) they're not going to trade away the rights to Luck for even that.
To move up to first overall, it will cost both those picks, plus our second and fourth round picks. AT LEAST. Still interested?
If Holmgren and Heckert see him as the next Manning/Ryan/Rivers? Absolutely.
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This sounds like a fantastic idea. Let's spend multiple picks (including a first rounder) on an unproven guy who has never been in the Browns locker room. Let's not give a chance to the guy who we only spent a third round pick on, is already stepping up to be a team leader, has a good track record of winning, wants to be here, gels with the guys in the locker room, and did pretty well last year considering the circumstances.
This sounds like a fantastic idea. Let's spend multiple picks (including a first rounder) on an unproven guy who has never been in the Browns locker room. Let's not give a chance to the guy who we only spent a third round pick on, is already stepping up to be a team leader, has a good track record of winning, wants to be here, gels with the guys in the locker room, and did pretty well last year considering the circumstances.
He is going to get his chance and if he proves to be all that you think he is, we won't be shopping for a QB next year.
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Constantly trading away draft picks is one reason the browns are the browns....break the cycle, change the mindset....u do not build thru FA, u build thru the draft. Its impossible to do if ur giving away high picks on gambles.
Seriously....this idea should never cross ur mind.
Constantly trading away draft picks is one reason the browns are the browns....break the cycle, change the mindset....u do not build thru FA, u build thru the draft. Its impossible to do if ur giving away high picks on gambles.
Seriously....this idea should never cross ur mind.
Constantly missing on draft picks is why the Browns are the Browns. It really doesn't matter if you have 20 picks or 2 if you can't evaluate talent. Also, you do build through FA as well as the draft.
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Don't think we need him but i've got a funny feeling we're after him!
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If Holmgren and Heckert see him as the next Manning/Ryan/Rivers? Absolutely.
You might, but I can guarantee you Holmgren and Heckert won't. Realistically, the Browns won't be drafting high enough to have a legitimate shot of trading for him anyway & and any team other than the Panthers sitting at #1 isn't going to trade away the rights to Luck for TWO entire drafts.
Yeah, Luck is that good, and will command that high a trade value. The Patriots are where they are by accumulating future picks, not giving them away, and they rarely trade up in the first round.
Those that don't remember the Hershel Walker trade are condemned to repeat the same mistake.
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If Holmgren and Heckert see him as the next Manning/Ryan/Rivers? Absolutely.
You might, but I can guarantee you Holmgren and Heckert won't. Realistically, the Browns won't be drafting high enough to have a legitimate shot of trading for him anyway & and any team other than the Panthers sitting at #1 isn't going to trade away the rights to Luck for TWO entire drafts.
Yeah, Luck is that good, and will command that high a trade value. The Patriots are where they are by accumulating future picks, not giving them away, and they rarely trade up in the first round.
Those that don't remember the Hershel Walker trade are condemned to repeat the same mistake.
You might, but I can guarantee you Holmgren and Heckert won't. Realistically, the Browns won't be drafting high enough to have a legitimate shot of trading for him anyway & and any team other than the Panthers sitting at #1 isn't going to trade away the rights to Luck for TWO entire drafts.
Yeah, Luck is that good, and will command that high a trade value. The Patriots are where they are by accumulating future picks, not giving them away, and they rarely trade up in the first round.
Those that don't remember the Hershel Walker trade are condemned to repeat the same mistake.
9/10 I agree with your sentiment of not mortgaging your draft for one player but there are always exceptions. The RB position not being one of them (ie. Walker, R.Williams).
You are also correct that we may not have enough ammo to move up but some of that depends on what others would have to offer as well. Here is to hoping that the Panthers get the #1 overall to at least give us better options.
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BTW, I'd say Kolb to Arizona is about a 95% chance of happening.
BTW, I'd say Kolb to Arizona is about a 95% chance of happening.
Or Seattle? By the way, whatever happened to Pete Carroll's boy Matt Leinert? Shouldn't he at least be a backup up there?
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If Holmgren and Heckert see him as the next Manning/Ryan/Rivers? Absolutely.
You might, but I can guarantee you Holmgren and Heckert won't. Realistically, the Browns won't be drafting high enough to have a legitimate shot of trading for him anyway & and any team other than the Panthers sitting at #1 isn't going to trade away the rights to Luck for TWO entire drafts.
Yeah, Luck is that good, and will command that high a trade value. The Patriots are where they are by accumulating future picks, not giving them away, and they rarely trade up in the first round.
Those that don't remember the Hershel Walker trade are condemned to repeat the same mistake.
You might, but I can guarantee you Holmgren and Heckert won't. Realistically, the Browns won't be drafting high enough to have a legitimate shot of trading for him anyway & and any team other than the Panthers sitting at #1 isn't going to trade away the rights to Luck for TWO entire drafts.
Yeah, Luck is that good, and will command that high a trade value. The Patriots are where they are by accumulating future picks, not giving them away, and they rarely trade up in the first round.
Those that don't remember the Hershel Walker trade are condemned to repeat the same mistake.
Just like how you "guaranteed" the Bengals won't draft Green?
Seriously, no one here is saying that we're gonna trade the farm for Luck; however, if McCoy does flop (which, there's still a chance) then we have a good hand to show. And if McCoy flops, we'll probably have a high draft pick.
And the Kolb to Browns rumors are dumb. We're riding McCoy this year, we live or die with him. Either way, I'm happy.
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no.
stupid poll.
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You might, but I can guarantee you Holmgren and Heckert won't. Realistically, the Browns won't be drafting high enough to have a legitimate shot of trading for him anyway & and any team other than the Panthers sitting at #1 isn't going to trade away the rights to Luck for TWO entire drafts.
Yeah, Luck is that good, and will command that high a trade value. The Patriots are where they are by accumulating future picks, not giving them away, and they rarely trade up in the first round.
Those that don't remember the Hershel Walker trade are condemned to repeat the same mistake.
9/10 I agree with your sentiment of not mortgaging your draft for one player but there are always exceptions. The RB position not being one of them (ie. Walker, R.Williams).
You are also correct that we may not have enough ammo to move up but some of that depends on what others would have to offer as well. Here is to hoping that the Panthers get the #1 overall to at least give us better options.
You are also correct that we may not have enough ammo to move up but some of that depends on what others would have to offer as well.
pretty sure they got the ammo...and then some. if they want Luck, is there another team that can match three 1st rd picks? two in 2011 and one in 2012?
may sound like a lot to give up but if McCoy ain't the future, not only would i be ok with it...i would applaud it.
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You are also correct that we may not have enough ammo to move up but some of that depends on what others would have to offer as well.
pretty sure they got the ammo...and then some. if they want Luck, is there another team that can match three 1st rd picks? two in 2011 and one in 2012?
may sound like a lot to give up but if McCoy ain't the future, not only would i be ok with it...i would applaud it.
pretty sure they got the ammo...and then some. if they want Luck, is there another team that can match three 1st rd picks? two in 2011 and one in 2012?
may sound like a lot to give up but if McCoy ain't the future, not only would i be ok with it...i would applaud it.
i think we'd all applaud it IF mccoy turns out to be a bust. but don't you give a guy a chance? no weapons, half an O-line and he still had moments of brilliance even when being hurt last year. who knows what this year (i hope) brings? we all might be wishing for mangini to be back and calling for holmgren's head.
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BTW, I'd say Kolb to Arizona is about a 95% chance of happening.
Or Seattle? By the way, whatever happened to Pete Carroll's boy Matt Leinert? Shouldn't he at least be a backup up there?
Or Seattle? By the way, whatever happened to Pete Carroll's boy Matt Leinert? Shouldn't he at least be a backup up there?
Leinert is the 3rd string qb for Houston, if signs their again then becomes backup
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I would seriously hope we wouldnt go for kolb under any circumstance especially when luck will be available and we should have the bait to spring the trap even if we dont finish 32nd in the league, this is of course assuming colt cant cut it as the number 1 and im not willing to bet on that just yet, not at all...
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I really don't even see why anyone would give a first for Kolb let alone a 2nd rounder for him. Eagles would look brilliant to even get a 1st rounder for him just for showcasing him for a couple starts most of which being mediocre. Everyone is high on Kolb for no reason. If we trade for him we're screwed, much rather have Luck next year anyway (if Colt tanks). Still not even sure why everyone thinks Luck is going number one with most teams resolving their QB issues in this past draft and soon FA. At most only 5 teams need a franchise qb that didn't take one high this past year.
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I really don't even see why anyone would give a first for Kolb let alone a 2nd rounder for him. Eagles would look brilliant to even get a 1st rounder for him just for showcasing him for a couple starts most of which being mediocre. Everyone is high on Kolb for no reason. If we trade for him we're screwed, much rather have Luck next year anyway (if Colt tanks). Still not even sure why everyone thinks Luck is going number one with most teams resolving their QB issues in this past draft and soon FA. At most only 5 teams need a franchise qb that didn't take one high this past year.
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