Cavs Draft
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Do you honestly think that taking an undersized PF with the #1 overall is a good idea? He will get abused on the defensive end whether he plays the 3 or the 4. As far as Irving goes, he is the only talent in this draft that may prove to be elite. The Cavs kind of got screwed by having such great picks in what is a terribly weak draft.
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You can look at him as an undersized PF if you want...but I never referred to him playing the 4. If you watched any of his games the past 2 years, his games translates to the 3 better than the 4. He is a scorer for sure and is big enough to post up against smaller 3's in the league. As far as defense goes...remember that that was the knock on a lot of players in the NBA...including a former 3 who sported the #23 in Cleveland before taking his talents to "Souf Beach." No...I am not suggesting that Williams will turn into Lebron...but I am saying that there are a lot of college players that don't play solid defense until they get to the NBA and develop that part of their game. And...besides...Byron Scott doesn't seem to put any emphasis on the defensive side of the ball anyway. haha
And...you still give no reasons for your claims that Irving "is the only talent in this draft that may prove to be elite."
At least back up your opinion with some reasoning.
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You can look at him as an undersized PF if you want...but I never referred to him playing the 4. If you watched any of his games the past 2 years, his games translates to the 3 better than the 4. He is a scorer for sure and is big enough to post up against smaller 3's in the league. As far as defense goes...remember that that was the knock on a lot of players in the NBA...including a former 3 who sported the #23 in Cleveland before taking his talents to "Souf Beach." No...I am not suggesting that Williams will turn into Lebron...but I am saying that there are a lot of college players that don't play solid defense until they get to the NBA and develop that part of their game. And...besides...Byron Scott doesn't seem to put any emphasis on the defensive side of the ball anyway. haha
And...you still give no reasons for your claims that Irving "is the only talent in this draft that may prove to be elite."
At least back up your opinion with some reasoning.
You can look at him as an undersized PF if you want...but I never referred to him playing the 4. If you watched any of his games the past 2 years, his games translates to the 3 better than the 4. He is a scorer for sure and is big enough to post up against smaller 3's in the league. As far as defense goes...remember that that was the knock on a lot of players in the NBA...including a former 3 who sported the #23 in Cleveland before taking his talents to "Souf Beach." No...I am not suggesting that Williams will turn into Lebron...but I am saying that there are a lot of college players that don't play solid defense until they get to the NBA and develop that part of their game. And...besides...Byron Scott doesn't seem to put any emphasis on the defensive side of the ball anyway. haha
And...you still give no reasons for your claims that Irving "is the only talent in this draft that may prove to be elite."
At least back up your opinion with some reasoning.
You mean reasoning like, I don't trust Duke PGs? I'm not saying that Irving will be elite but that he is the closest thing to it in this draft. I honestly don't think that there is anyone that will be able to put a team on his back coming out of there. The only knocks on Irving is his shot selection (very coachable), turnovers (coachable), and his speed isn't quite up to Rose and Wall (whose is?).
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You can look at him as an undersized PF if you want...but I never referred to him playing the 4. If you watched any of his games the past 2 years, his games translates to the 3 better than the 4. He is a scorer for sure and is big enough to post up against smaller 3's in the league. As far as defense goes...remember that that was the knock on a lot of players in the NBA...including a former 3 who sported the #23 in Cleveland before taking his talents to "Souf Beach." No...I am not suggesting that Williams will turn into Lebron...but I am saying that there are a lot of college players that don't play solid defense until they get to the NBA and develop that part of their game. And...besides...Byron Scott doesn't seem to put any emphasis on the defensive side of the ball anyway. haha
And...you still give no reasons for your claims that Irving "is the only talent in this draft that may prove to be elite."
At least back up your opinion with some reasoning.
You mean reasoning like, I don't trust Duke PGs? I'm not saying that Irving will be elite but that he is the closest thing to it in this draft. I honestly don't think that there is anyone that will be able to put a team on his back coming out of there. The only knocks on Irving is his shot selection (very coachable), turnovers (coachable), and his speed isn't quite up to Rose and Wall (whose is?).
You mean reasoning like, I don't trust Duke PGs? I'm not saying that Irving will be elite but that he is the closest thing to it in this draft. I honestly don't think that there is anyone that will be able to put a team on his back coming out of there. The only knocks on Irving is his shot selection (very coachable), turnovers (coachable), and his speed isn't quite up to Rose and Wall (whose is?).
Obviously, you failed to read or at least to comprehend the rest of my reasoning. It doesn't matter because your opinion and mine do not matter anyway. That's the bottom line. I just thought that the purpose of forums like this is for us as fans to actually discuss and debate things just like who our team should take. Apparently, you don't want to put any effort into a discussion but just want to disregard any opinion other than your own.
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I take Williams over Irving simply because of experince and they use of the 4th pick could be Brandon Knight,Kanter is going to Utah by everything ive heard..So that leaves us with Jonas Valanciucas who has a 3 million buyout who may not be able to play in the NBA for a lil while
Dosent make much sense to me,although Jonas does look pretty good for a 20 year old big man
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My personal opinion is that there may not be a center WORTHY of a 1st round pick in this draft. Get Williams at #1 & Walker at #4. If the Cavs take Irving at 1, I'm all for trading that 4th pick. We may need a center, but more than that, we need a forward who can score from beyond 10' (who is under 35) & a point guard. Personally, I LOVE Walker's game & he's proven himself over the long haul (performance AND durability), & there are experts who think he will develop into a better PG than Irving. Who knows? As far as I'm concerned, if you take Irving at #1, there isn't anyone left (as Williams will be gone) worthy of the 4 pick....I'm excluding guards, because if we take 2 guards at 1 & 4, the Cavs may as well throw in the towel.
Mike
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I'll be disappointed if we don't get Irving AND Williams. I originally wanted Irving and Kanter, but with Minnesota obviously not wanting another point guard...it seems like a good GM would be able to get Irving from them (assuming we take Williams first), especially when we have the #4 pick as bait.
Anything else would kind of be a let down for me. But if we come out of the draft with a true PG and a true center...there are worse things.
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I just read on Yahoo...the Cavs are now talking about Tristan Thompson from TX at the #4? I'd rather trade out of that spot!
I really hope that Gilbert and Grant don't screw this up!
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mikeyP72 said:
Thompson will be able to play right away and Valanciunus won't.
I don't see why we need a PF, unless JJ is as good as gone.... The Thompson pick makes no sense, unless we are packaging Hickson to get into the first round again.
I say we take Derrick Williams and Kanter if available then see what we've got with Sessions, Boobie and Boom Davis at PG....
Then in round 2 we take a SG like Nolan Smith or Lighty if available.
If we take Irving we should get rid of Sessions and the TPE to get into the mid 1st round and make a play for a SF like Singleton or Marshon Brooks like I said before.
I just don't like drafting on a hunch of a BPA, when we have NEEDS, multiple.
Agreed...I have said all along that I want Williams @ #1. I don't see how ANYONE can be convinced based on 11 games that Irving is the best player in this draft!? And the Cavs have glaring holes at the 2 & 3 & 5. Could they use a true 1? Probably...but why can't we see just what we really have with Sessions? Get him a couple guys that can score at the 2 & 3 and get someone to clog up the middle. If Sessions is NOT the right guy, then you can bring in a PG in the draft next year and he will have some solid players around him to lean on rather than a group of rookies like Irving would have this year. I say grab Williams at one and see what else you can get from there...but fill the biggest holes first...not the one you actually have some solid depth at.
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The Thompson talk was to work out a trade with Charlotte, they wanted to move ahead of Detroit because they thought they would take him and we wanted to move down and take Jonas V. But now the Bobcats just traded to get the 7th pick, ahead of the Pistons, son now its an unlikely trade
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Atlanta's trying to trade Josh Smith for the 2nd pick to acquire Kanter. If he's there at 4, I really hope we make that trade.
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Can't get mad at Grant for the Thompson pick...That was ALL Dan Gilbert! But the second round? Really? 2 picks and we walk away with 2 "future" picks and a guy that may not even come here to play? While I won't say that we got worse...like someone else did, I will say that we did't improve nearly as much as we should have. We went into this draft in dire need of a SF, SG, and a C. And everyone WANTED the franchise PG. We walked away still needing a SF, SG, and a C. Yep...that's progress!
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You need to realize we drafted the #1 pg in the draft. That was the Clippers pick by the way, and Grant made that transaction. If we never traded Mo we wouldnt have Irving. We would have had the #4 pick and would have had shit to choose from. Thompson is raw but not that raw, he was freshman of the year and almost averaged a double double. The dude has almost 2 steals and 2 blocks a game. He is a hustler that will play the 3 and guard the 3. His Offense will develope with time. Do some research on this guy before you knock him. 2nd rounders are exactly that, so dont be too pissy about the trade. we got more picks and didnt get even younger then we already are. One other thing congrats to Jon Diebler.
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I'm not saying the Cavs did well but you have to draft for best talent available, not for need. Drafting for need is a sure fire way to build a loser.
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mikeyP72 said:
So Tristan Thompson was BPA at 4 and the guy who will never play for the Cavs at 53 was BPA? Trading the #32 overall pick to Orlando for 2 FUTURE (likely late 2nd rounders) was a BPA move?
Obviously the Cavs thought so. I don't necessarily agree with them but the strategy is sound.
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Christian Eyenga would've been the best SG in this draft, he's on our team. Why reach for a guy when you already have your starter for the future. Guy has mad explosion and can shoot the rock, Eyenga and Irving's gonna be dominate
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