To All My Fellow Cleveland Fans
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i think this kid has a point...and its not just with the browns.....look at how badly the indians are f'ing up the season with not adding anyone...and look how the whole lebron, cavs situation could have changed if we had signed stoudemire...the fact is cleveland front office is lazy and sometimes cant get things done...we need a CB next to joe haden....so why the hell didnt we even TRY to go after nnamdi? its all bullshit politics imo but after losing season after losing season people get frustrated...and on top of it when espn thinks youre shit it doesnt help...my negative post here isnt trying to instigate im just frustrated and maybe confused/curious as to why we avoid free agents like the plague
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Made me laugh because you couldn't respond with any proven fact or idea you have about the Cleveland Browns
You insulted me first, so ya got a nudge back, and then you flip out troll style always gonna be daddy's bitch from now love all of the responses but your knowledge of the Cleveland Browns and the National Football League is pretty piss poor as it is just keep posting insults it's my turn.
Hey Gip your mother is so nasty she sucked your daddy's dick and came in and kissed you goodnight. Refer to being daddys bitch and you'll get the joke fag.
Really wrong - "represent" is just trying to screw up the board and get in online fights with people. I hate this crap. "sigh"
But again, bringing family members into this board as a low blow cheapshot, will screw up this board quick.
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Made me laugh because you couldn't respond with any proven fact or idea you have about the Cleveland Browns
You insulted me first, so ya got a nudge back, and then you flip out troll style always gonna be daddy's bitch from now love all of the responses but your knowledge of the Cleveland Browns and the National Football League is pretty piss poor as it is just keep posting insults it's my turn.
Hey Gip your mother is so nasty she sucked your daddy's dick and came in and kissed you goodnight. Refer to being daddys bitch and you'll get the joke fag.
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i think this kid has a point...and its not just with the browns.....look at how badly the indians are f'ing up the season with not adding anyone...and look how the whole lebron, cavs situation could have changed if we had signed stoudemire...the fact is cleveland front office is lazy and sometimes cant get things done...we need a CB next to joe haden....so why the hell didnt we even TRY to go after nnamdi? its all bullshit politics imo but after losing season after losing season people get frustrated...and on top of it when espn thinks youre shit it doesnt help...my negative post here isnt trying to instigate im just frustrated and maybe confused/curious as to why we avoid free agents like the plague
i think this kid has a point...and its not just with the browns.....look at how badly the indians are f'ing up the season with not adding anyone...and look how the whole lebron, cavs situation could have changed if we had signed stoudemire...the fact is cleveland front office is lazy and sometimes cant get things done...we need a CB next to joe haden....so why the hell didnt we even TRY to go after nnamdi? its all bullshit politics imo but after losing season after losing season people get frustrated...and on top of it when espn thinks youre shit it doesnt help...my negative post here isnt trying to instigate im just frustrated and maybe confused/curious as to why we avoid free agents like the plague
Regarding the Cavs, LeBron was the de facto GM of the team- he was calling the shots who he wanted to play with, got Brown fired, and I could go on.
Asomuga would turn the Browns into a winner by himself? Is why we didn't try. And his $60 million contract is another good reason. Yeah, I wanted Jonathan Joseph too- but not at $23 million guaranteed and a $12 million signing bonus. Holmgren and Heckert will start spending money on these types of players when they decide to do so- and it isn't time yet.
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i think this kid has a point...and its not just with the browns.....look at how badly the indians are f'ing up the season with not adding anyone...and look how the whole lebron, cavs situation could have changed if we had signed stoudemire...the fact is cleveland front office is lazy and sometimes cant get things done...we need a CB next to joe haden....so why the hell didnt we even TRY to go after nnamdi? its all bullshit politics imo but after losing season after losing season people get frustrated...and on top of it when espn thinks youre shit it doesnt help...my negative post here isnt trying to instigate im just frustrated and maybe confused/curious as to why we avoid free agents like the plague
Regarding the Cavs, LeBron was the de facto GM of the team- he was calling the shots who he wanted to play with, got Brown fired, and I could go on.
Asomuga would turn the Browns into a winner by himself? Is why we didn't try. And his $60 million contract is another good reason. Yeah, I wanted Jonathan Joseph too- but not at $23 million guaranteed and a $12 million signing bonus. Holmgren and Heckert will start spending money on these types of players when they decide to do so- and it isn't time yet.
Regarding the Cavs, LeBron was the de facto GM of the team- he was calling the shots who he wanted to play with, got Brown fired, and I could go on.
Asomuga would turn the Browns into a winner by himself? Is why we didn't try. And his $60 million contract is another good reason. Yeah, I wanted Jonathan Joseph too- but not at $23 million guaranteed and a $12 million signing bonus. Holmgren and Heckert will start spending money on these types of players when they decide to do so- and it isn't time yet.
but im saying who knows...we add a few big name guys and all the sudden we start surprising people who dont expect anything out of this team
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@represent said:
You insult a post and when the OP myself responds with an insult i need to grow up? hypocrite much! you grow the xxxx up get some knowledge of football and stop wondering why we end up with 4-12 and 5-11 seasons. I am offering my opinion on what we need to do via FA to improve the Cleveland Browns a majority of you respond with shit headed terribly thought out responses of OH xxxx U NOOBIE if i need to grow up your mother should've just swallowed you and saved me the time from this.
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
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@represent said:
You insult a post and when the OP myself responds with an insult i need to grow up? hypocrite much! you grow the xxxx up get some knowledge of football and stop wondering why we end up with 4-12 and 5-11 seasons. I am offering my opinion on what we need to do via FA to improve the Cleveland Browns a majority of you respond with shit headed terribly thought out responses of OH xxxx U NOOBIE if i need to grow up your mother should've just swallowed you and saved me the time from this.
You have yet to provide anybody with an example of your supposed "knowledge of football", and you still berate us for not showing any? That's hypocrisy, sir.
We'll talk football when you decide that's actually what you want to do. Chastising the Browns FO for not signing two washed up players well past their prime isn't "talking football". That's called "being a troll asshole". Throwing out ridiculous stats you're predicting for them isn't "talking football". That's called "being a sissyboy dumbass".
Get the xxxx out of here, you're completely useless. Nobody cares about your opinion on the Browns. I'd rather listen to the Steeler trolls, at least they're capable of (sometimes) carrying on an intelligent discussion.
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Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
excerpt from post 1 ". F*** all you fans that keep accepting medicore teams and terrible excuses that everyone thinks are the best since sliced bread." along with references to kool-aid drinkers and implying all fans a dumb except for you.
Look all Browns fans are frustrated. Me as much as anyone. My screen name of "1 more season" is not the common lament of "wait til next year". Last year about this time I came to this board and said I was fed up with this team them and was giving 1 more season pf my lifelong loyalty or I would give up on them if there wasn't finally some kind of improvement. The sentiment from most of the board was that I was somehow gay for being tired of losing but that's another story. I've stuck with the Browns because I do see some improvement. Most likely would have never given up on them anyway!
You came out of the box thread 1 post 1 attacking anyone who didn't agree with you. I'll admit I right away fired a volley back. That's what you were trolling (verb) for right?
I get that you have a concern about how the Browns are functioning as a FO and Team but. Who doesn't? You keep asking for facts and saying that no one gives them to you that's a 2-way street. Much like many who yell and demand respect be given to them often give it back the least. Since coming to this board I have change my delivery and thoughts and it has made it a much more enjoyable site to frequent.
Give it a try.
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Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
Your "legit FA ideas" are ridiculous.
I'm sure Heckert and Holmgren have had a wishlist since coming to Cleveland. You're a fool if you think otherwise. Just because you have a wishlist, though, doesn't mean you're going to get what's on it. From all reports, the Browns have been in discussions with many FA's. Unfortunately, those FA's have a choice in where they go. They aren't all just automatically thrown on the Browns. Sorry to inform you, but that's how FA works.
What constititues a "great multiyear package" to you? I'm talking figures. Money. Cash. What's the contract you'd offer them?
Telling these guys Cleveland wants rings is just ridiculous. I don't think there's a team in the NFL that's not trying to get a ring. Unfortunately for us, if a FA simply takes a look at our record from the past decade, they'd be inclined to turn around and get right back on the plane.
Honestly, how old are you?
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excerpt from post 1 ". F*** all you fans that keep accepting medicore teams and terrible excuses that everyone thinks are the best since sliced bread." along with references to kool-aid drinkers and implying all fans a dumb except for you.
Look all Browns fans are frustrated. Me as much as anyone. My screen name of "1 more season" is not the common lament of "wait til next year". Last year about this time I came to this board and said I was fed up with this team them and was giving 1 more season pf my lifelong loyalty or I would give up on them if there wasn't finally some kind of improvement. The sentiment from most of the board was that I was somehow gay for being tired of losing but that's another story. I've stuck with the Browns because I do see some improvement. Most likely would have never given up on them anyway!
You came out of the box thread 1 post 1 attacking anyone who didn't agree with you. I'll admit I right away fired a volley back. That's what you were trolling (verb) for right?
I get that you have a concern about how the Browns are functioning as a FO and Team but. Who doesn't? You keep asking for facts and saying that no one gives them to you that's a 2-way street. Much like many who yell and demand respect be given to them often give it back the least. Since coming to this board I have change my delivery and thoughts and it has made it a much more enjoyable site to frequent.
Give it a try.
excerpt from post 1 ". F*** all you fans that keep accepting medicore teams and terrible excuses that everyone thinks are the best since sliced bread." along with references to kool-aid drinkers and implying all fans a dumb except for you.
Look all Browns fans are frustrated. Me as much as anyone. My screen name of "1 more season" is not the common lament of "wait til next year". Last year about this time I came to this board and said I was fed up with this team them and was giving 1 more season pf my lifelong loyalty or I would give up on them if there wasn't finally some kind of improvement. The sentiment from most of the board was that I was somehow gay for being tired of losing but that's another story. I've stuck with the Browns because I do see some improvement. Most likely would have never given up on them anyway!
You came out of the box thread 1 post 1 attacking anyone who didn't agree with you. I'll admit I right away fired a volley back. That's what you were trolling (verb) for right?
I get that you have a concern about how the Browns are functioning as a FO and Team but. Who doesn't? You keep asking for facts and saying that no one gives them to you that's a 2-way street. Much like many who yell and demand respect be given to them often give it back the least. Since coming to this board I have change my delivery and thoughts and it has made it a much more enjoyable site to frequent.
Give it a try.
Problem with using my original post read where it says THIS POST IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE
If you considered the part where i said xxxx all you fans who drink the koolaid the only logical answer is you drink the Koolaid and were offended that is a simple truth in the post sorry bro
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Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
Your "legit FA ideas" are ridiculous.
I'm sure Heckert and Holmgren have had a wishlist since coming to Cleveland. You're a fool if you think otherwise. Just because you have a wishlist, though, doesn't mean you're going to get what's on it. From all reports, the Browns have been in discussions with many FA's. Unfortunately, those FA's have a choice in where they go. They aren't all just automatically thrown on the Browns. Sorry to inform you, but that's how FA works.
What constititues a "great multiyear package" to you? I'm talking figures. Money. Cash. What's the contract you'd offer them?
Telling these guys Cleveland wants rings is just ridiculous. I don't think there's a team in the NFL that's not trying to get a ring. Unfortunately for us, if a FA simply takes a look at our record from the past decade, they'd be inclined to turn around and get right back on the plane.
Honestly, how old are you?
I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
I am getting that same vibe talking to you since i never even mentioned your name when i said that i was responding to the kid who wrote
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
Maybe you should read what other posters also wrote instead of your own first.
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
Maybe those FA's a few of you demand to be signed... don't WANT to play for anything else but a team that can/may very well go to the Superbowl.
Maybe they are NOT a fit in the locker room.
Maybe they don't want to have their home field outside, they want to be in a dome because they are like PollyFroggieGirlieman - they are big sissies.
Maybe they don't want to play at a home field in the North with snow.;.
Maybe they don't want to play so far away from home.
Maybe they don't want to leave their state so they can keep their home where it is now.
Maybe blaming our outstanding FO and coaching staff is really, really dumb.
Just say "NO" to whining. I'm excited about what I figure is finally a huge turn around for the Browns.
The players are excited, and it rarely used to be that way. THIS Browns team loves to play the game.
Let's roll, dammit. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe blaming our outstanding FO and coaching staff is really, really dumb.
my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
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Made me laugh because you couldn't respond with any proven fact or idea you have about the Cleveland Browns
You insulted me first, so ya got a nudge back, and then you flip out troll style always gonna be daddy's bitch from now love all of the responses but your knowledge of the Cleveland Browns and the National Football League is pretty piss poor as it is just keep posting insults it's my turn.
Hey Gip your mother is so nasty she sucked your daddy's dick and came in and kissed you goodnight. Refer to being daddys bitch and you'll get the joke fag.
Made me laugh because you couldn't respond with any proven fact or idea you have about the Cleveland Browns
You insulted me first, so ya got a nudge back, and then you flip out troll style always gonna be daddy's bitch from now love all of the responses but your knowledge of the Cleveland Browns and the National Football League is pretty piss poor as it is just keep posting insults it's my turn.
Hey Gip your mother is so nasty she sucked your daddy's dick and came in and kissed you goodnight. Refer to being daddys bitch and you'll get the joke fag.
Is that all you have in your repertoire. Daddy/mommy dick jokes? I won't bother wasting my talents for "nudging" on you. It would clearly be no challenge.
As for being a troll, I have been around this board since the inception of it in its original carnation. No one has ever seen your name around here before this week.
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I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
I am getting that same vibe talking to you since i never even mentioned your name when i said that i was responding to the kid who wrote
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
Maybe you should read what other posters also wrote instead of your own first.
I am getting that same vibe talking to you since i never even mentioned your name when i said that i was responding to the kid who wrote
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
Maybe you should read what other posters also wrote instead of your own first.
If that's the only thing you could pick out to argue with in my previous post, I think I've made my point.
The point is, you're wrong. And the shit you say is ridiculous, and completely off base.
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Maybe blaming our outstanding FO and coaching staff is really, really dumb.
my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
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The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
I kind of look at the season this way ... it all rides on the shoulders of Colt. It is pretty simple. If Colt has a great yr we will win games. If Colt has a terrible year we will lose games. Seems pretty simple and logical.
If we added Nhamdi, Ray Edwards, and Sidney Rice the same would be true. We would have filled 3 "holes" but if Colt fails so do the Browns regardless.
We have enough for Colt to succeed right now. The WCO is the perfect system for his skillset. The line is pretty solid from center left and while it is a little shaky on the right side we have 2 kids with some nice upside and Billy Yates who IMO played very well when he played. We also have Hillis who is a beast and Hardesty healthy and we brought in Jackson who fits the system perfectly and is also very familar with it. Our WR's could be a huge question mark, but ... the last 2 high picks Heckert wasted on a WR were Maclin and Desean Jackson ... so I am going to trust his evaluation of WR's. I also think yr 3 could be the year that things click for Robo and MoMass...Yr 3 for a WR is commonly that year. Watson is a solid TE and the 2 kids behind him I am personally excited about them. Moore has amazing hands, and the kid they drafted is SUPER athletic.
So my point is basically ... The season rides on Colt it is pretty cut and dry to me. If he succeeds we succeeed as a team as well. If he doesn't we don't. That just seems to be the way we are built right now.
QB is so key in this league and always has been. Every dynasty ever in football had a GREAT QB.
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my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
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What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
I believe the biggest reason for not re-signing Vickers thus far is because he just doesn't have the hands that Holmgren and Co. liked for the WCO. Granted, he wasn't necessarily given the greatest opportunities, he was more often than not used strictly for blocking on passing plays. His 13 receptions in 07 were the most targets he's had in a season in his entire career. Hopefully, Marecic can prove to be just as proficient in catching as he is at blocking. If it turns out that Marecic's hands aren't exactly as sticky as Holmgren and Co. would like, then I could see Hillis subbing it at FB in most passing situations.
I think a very large reason Jackson was added was simply his experience in the WCO as a RB. It also doesn't hurt that he has shown potential. Adding a veteran mentor is a great plan, its even better when the mentor is actually still capable of performing at the necessary level (cough...cough...Delhomme).
As for Hardesty... well, the jury is still out. I'd like to see him come in and tear things up, but I'm not banking on it. I'm just not getting a good vibe when it comes to Hardesty.
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I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
I believe the biggest reason for not re-signing Vickers thus far is because he just doesn't have the hands that Holmgren and Co. liked for the WCO. Granted, he wasn't necessarily given the greatest opportunities, he was more often than not used strictly for blocking on passing plays. His 13 receptions in 07 were the most targets he's had in a season in his entire career. Hopefully, Marecic can prove to be just as proficient in catching as he is at blocking. If it turns out that Marecic's hands aren't exactly as sticky as Holmgren and Co. would like, then I could see Hillis subbing it at FB in most passing situations.
I think a very large reason Jackson was added was simply his experience in the WCO as a RB. It also doesn't hurt that he has shown potential. Adding a veteran mentor is a great plan, its even better when the mentor is actually still capable of performing at the necessary level (cough...cough...Delhomme).
As for Hardesty... well, the jury is still out. I'd like to see him come in and tear things up, but I'm not banking on it. I'm just not getting a good vibe when it comes to Hardesty.
I believe the biggest reason for not re-signing Vickers thus far is because he just doesn't have the hands that Holmgren and Co. liked for the WCO. Granted, he wasn't necessarily given the greatest opportunities, he was more often than not used strictly for blocking on passing plays. His 13 receptions in 07 were the most targets he's had in a season in his entire career. Hopefully, Marecic can prove to be just as proficient in catching as he is at blocking. If it turns out that Marecic's hands aren't exactly as sticky as Holmgren and Co. would like, then I could see Hillis subbing it at FB in most passing situations.
I think a very large reason Jackson was added was simply his experience in the WCO as a RB. It also doesn't hurt that he has shown potential. Adding a veteran mentor is a great plan, its even better when the mentor is actually still capable of performing at the necessary level (cough...cough...Delhomme).
As for Hardesty... well, the jury is still out. I'd like to see him come in and tear things up, but I'm not banking on it. I'm just not getting a good vibe when it comes to Hardesty.
agreed that is why vickers became expendable, but IMO it's a common misconception about him. He didn't catch balls in practice so he didnt improve on it since he came into the league. That doesnt mean that the ability isn't there. A little practice and he could have become the best all around fullback to come around in some time. Or not, who knows.
As for hardesty I don't think you can question his ability. He has the size, speed, vision and moves. Dudes got one of the sickest spin moves I've seen since booby miles haha. But as we all know, all the talent in the world can be negated by one bad knee.
And forgot Jackson played in the wco, added value is always good
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