To All My Fellow Cleveland Fans
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@represent said:
You insult a post and when the OP myself responds with an insult i need to grow up? hypocrite much! you grow the xxxx up get some knowledge of football and stop wondering why we end up with 4-12 and 5-11 seasons. I am offering my opinion on what we need to do via FA to improve the Cleveland Browns a majority of you respond with shit headed terribly thought out responses of OH xxxx U NOOBIE if i need to grow up your mother should've just swallowed you and saved me the time from this.
You have yet to provide anybody with an example of your supposed "knowledge of football", and you still berate us for not showing any? That's hypocrisy, sir.
We'll talk football when you decide that's actually what you want to do. Chastising the Browns FO for not signing two washed up players well past their prime isn't "talking football". That's called "being a troll asshole". Throwing out ridiculous stats you're predicting for them isn't "talking football". That's called "being a sissyboy dumbass".
Get the xxxx out of here, you're completely useless. Nobody cares about your opinion on the Browns. I'd rather listen to the Steeler trolls, at least they're capable of (sometimes) carrying on an intelligent discussion.
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Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
excerpt from post 1 ". F*** all you fans that keep accepting medicore teams and terrible excuses that everyone thinks are the best since sliced bread." along with references to kool-aid drinkers and implying all fans a dumb except for you.
Look all Browns fans are frustrated. Me as much as anyone. My screen name of "1 more season" is not the common lament of "wait til next year". Last year about this time I came to this board and said I was fed up with this team them and was giving 1 more season pf my lifelong loyalty or I would give up on them if there wasn't finally some kind of improvement. The sentiment from most of the board was that I was somehow gay for being tired of losing but that's another story. I've stuck with the Browns because I do see some improvement. Most likely would have never given up on them anyway!
You came out of the box thread 1 post 1 attacking anyone who didn't agree with you. I'll admit I right away fired a volley back. That's what you were trolling (verb) for right?
I get that you have a concern about how the Browns are functioning as a FO and Team but. Who doesn't? You keep asking for facts and saying that no one gives them to you that's a 2-way street. Much like many who yell and demand respect be given to them often give it back the least. Since coming to this board I have change my delivery and thoughts and it has made it a much more enjoyable site to frequent.
Give it a try.
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Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
Your "legit FA ideas" are ridiculous.
I'm sure Heckert and Holmgren have had a wishlist since coming to Cleveland. You're a fool if you think otherwise. Just because you have a wishlist, though, doesn't mean you're going to get what's on it. From all reports, the Browns have been in discussions with many FA's. Unfortunately, those FA's have a choice in where they go. They aren't all just automatically thrown on the Browns. Sorry to inform you, but that's how FA works.
What constititues a "great multiyear package" to you? I'm talking figures. Money. Cash. What's the contract you'd offer them?
Telling these guys Cleveland wants rings is just ridiculous. I don't think there's a team in the NFL that's not trying to get a ring. Unfortunately for us, if a FA simply takes a look at our record from the past decade, they'd be inclined to turn around and get right back on the plane.
Honestly, how old are you?
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excerpt from post 1 ". F*** all you fans that keep accepting medicore teams and terrible excuses that everyone thinks are the best since sliced bread." along with references to kool-aid drinkers and implying all fans a dumb except for you.
Look all Browns fans are frustrated. Me as much as anyone. My screen name of "1 more season" is not the common lament of "wait til next year". Last year about this time I came to this board and said I was fed up with this team them and was giving 1 more season pf my lifelong loyalty or I would give up on them if there wasn't finally some kind of improvement. The sentiment from most of the board was that I was somehow gay for being tired of losing but that's another story. I've stuck with the Browns because I do see some improvement. Most likely would have never given up on them anyway!
You came out of the box thread 1 post 1 attacking anyone who didn't agree with you. I'll admit I right away fired a volley back. That's what you were trolling (verb) for right?
I get that you have a concern about how the Browns are functioning as a FO and Team but. Who doesn't? You keep asking for facts and saying that no one gives them to you that's a 2-way street. Much like many who yell and demand respect be given to them often give it back the least. Since coming to this board I have change my delivery and thoughts and it has made it a much more enjoyable site to frequent.
Give it a try.
excerpt from post 1 ". F*** all you fans that keep accepting medicore teams and terrible excuses that everyone thinks are the best since sliced bread." along with references to kool-aid drinkers and implying all fans a dumb except for you.
Look all Browns fans are frustrated. Me as much as anyone. My screen name of "1 more season" is not the common lament of "wait til next year". Last year about this time I came to this board and said I was fed up with this team them and was giving 1 more season pf my lifelong loyalty or I would give up on them if there wasn't finally some kind of improvement. The sentiment from most of the board was that I was somehow gay for being tired of losing but that's another story. I've stuck with the Browns because I do see some improvement. Most likely would have never given up on them anyway!
You came out of the box thread 1 post 1 attacking anyone who didn't agree with you. I'll admit I right away fired a volley back. That's what you were trolling (verb) for right?
I get that you have a concern about how the Browns are functioning as a FO and Team but. Who doesn't? You keep asking for facts and saying that no one gives them to you that's a 2-way street. Much like many who yell and demand respect be given to them often give it back the least. Since coming to this board I have change my delivery and thoughts and it has made it a much more enjoyable site to frequent.
Give it a try.
Problem with using my original post read where it says THIS POST IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE
If you considered the part where i said xxxx all you fans who drink the koolaid the only logical answer is you drink the Koolaid and were offended that is a simple truth in the post sorry bro
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Really go to my very first post then read the replies to say i insulted anyone first would be a lie Sir but i love to add things back when your responses come back as negative like saying BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARDS ... umm i'm the bad guy for asking for legit FA Ideas or complaining the Browns aren't making any moves.
If you want to know exactly what i would've did if i was Holgreen and Heckert, I would've looked at and knew before the lockout ended who my wishlist was top to bottom, when the lockout ended i would've had them come in for a dinner and see where our ties could go, during this time i would also be looking at players teams have let go to see if any our our glaring holes could be adressed, After whiddling down my list i would offer great multiyear packages to Impact players i think would improve the browns and in the end hopefully bring two of them to our team.
I would also be looking at trades throughout the league switching to new schemes means i need players to match the sets i want to run, so i wanna be on the phone seeing what is out there as pogie bait and seeing if i could offer anything to bring in the players i want.
When i sit and talk to these players i want to market the Browns and the city of Cleveland i would tell these players we are building a championship contender we want rings in Cleveland we want the best of the best to come here and show off their skills and help us win. basically i would promote a winning attitude.
But to be dead honest i truly believe Holgreen is sitting in berea or elsewhere very content not to make any moves at all this season or even next, and when he speaks to the media he says we're a rebuilding team etc and so on and does not REPRESENT a winning attitude for our City and i think its terrible.
If you think we're trying to make moves and offers via FA or trades that must mean every single team and player has rejected our offers.... keep offering those shitty contracts they attract the best in the league!
I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
Your "legit FA ideas" are ridiculous.
I'm sure Heckert and Holmgren have had a wishlist since coming to Cleveland. You're a fool if you think otherwise. Just because you have a wishlist, though, doesn't mean you're going to get what's on it. From all reports, the Browns have been in discussions with many FA's. Unfortunately, those FA's have a choice in where they go. They aren't all just automatically thrown on the Browns. Sorry to inform you, but that's how FA works.
What constititues a "great multiyear package" to you? I'm talking figures. Money. Cash. What's the contract you'd offer them?
Telling these guys Cleveland wants rings is just ridiculous. I don't think there's a team in the NFL that's not trying to get a ring. Unfortunately for us, if a FA simply takes a look at our record from the past decade, they'd be inclined to turn around and get right back on the plane.
Honestly, how old are you?
I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
I am getting that same vibe talking to you since i never even mentioned your name when i said that i was responding to the kid who wrote
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
Maybe you should read what other posters also wrote instead of your own first.
In Cleveland failure is an artform. -
Maybe those FA's a few of you demand to be signed... don't WANT to play for anything else but a team that can/may very well go to the Superbowl.
Maybe they are NOT a fit in the locker room.
Maybe they don't want to have their home field outside, they want to be in a dome because they are like PollyFroggieGirlieman - they are big sissies.
Maybe they don't want to play at a home field in the North with snow.;.
Maybe they don't want to play so far away from home.
Maybe they don't want to leave their state so they can keep their home where it is now.
Maybe blaming our outstanding FO and coaching staff is really, really dumb.
Just say "NO" to whining. I'm excited about what I figure is finally a huge turn around for the Browns.
The players are excited, and it rarely used to be that way. THIS Browns team loves to play the game.
Let's roll, dammit. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe blaming our outstanding FO and coaching staff is really, really dumb.
my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
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Made me laugh because you couldn't respond with any proven fact or idea you have about the Cleveland Browns
You insulted me first, so ya got a nudge back, and then you flip out troll style always gonna be daddy's bitch from now love all of the responses but your knowledge of the Cleveland Browns and the National Football League is pretty piss poor as it is just keep posting insults it's my turn.
Hey Gip your mother is so nasty she sucked your daddy's dick and came in and kissed you goodnight. Refer to being daddys bitch and you'll get the joke fag.
Made me laugh because you couldn't respond with any proven fact or idea you have about the Cleveland Browns
You insulted me first, so ya got a nudge back, and then you flip out troll style always gonna be daddy's bitch from now love all of the responses but your knowledge of the Cleveland Browns and the National Football League is pretty piss poor as it is just keep posting insults it's my turn.
Hey Gip your mother is so nasty she sucked your daddy's dick and came in and kissed you goodnight. Refer to being daddys bitch and you'll get the joke fag.
Is that all you have in your repertoire. Daddy/mommy dick jokes? I won't bother wasting my talents for "nudging" on you. It would clearly be no challenge.
As for being a troll, I have been around this board since the inception of it in its original carnation. No one has ever seen your name around here before this week.
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I never said you insulted anyone first, nor did I ever say "BAN THIS ASSHOLE FROM THE BOARD". I'm getting the vibe you might be mentally addled, and I now feel bad for calling you useless.
I am getting that same vibe talking to you since i never even mentioned your name when i said that i was responding to the kid who wrote
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
Maybe you should read what other posters also wrote instead of your own first.
I am getting that same vibe talking to you since i never even mentioned your name when i said that i was responding to the kid who wrote
This dude/female has only been on here for what, 20 posts? And half or more are 7th grade insults. Do the board a favor and IP ban this asshole. We don't need it with the season about to begin. I have a feeling he is a barfing hard member, comeback to create havok.
Maybe you should read what other posters also wrote instead of your own first.
If that's the only thing you could pick out to argue with in my previous post, I think I've made my point.
The point is, you're wrong. And the shit you say is ridiculous, and completely off base.
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Maybe blaming our outstanding FO and coaching staff is really, really dumb.
my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
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The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
I kind of look at the season this way ... it all rides on the shoulders of Colt. It is pretty simple. If Colt has a great yr we will win games. If Colt has a terrible year we will lose games. Seems pretty simple and logical.
If we added Nhamdi, Ray Edwards, and Sidney Rice the same would be true. We would have filled 3 "holes" but if Colt fails so do the Browns regardless.
We have enough for Colt to succeed right now. The WCO is the perfect system for his skillset. The line is pretty solid from center left and while it is a little shaky on the right side we have 2 kids with some nice upside and Billy Yates who IMO played very well when he played. We also have Hillis who is a beast and Hardesty healthy and we brought in Jackson who fits the system perfectly and is also very familar with it. Our WR's could be a huge question mark, but ... the last 2 high picks Heckert wasted on a WR were Maclin and Desean Jackson ... so I am going to trust his evaluation of WR's. I also think yr 3 could be the year that things click for Robo and MoMass...Yr 3 for a WR is commonly that year. Watson is a solid TE and the 2 kids behind him I am personally excited about them. Moore has amazing hands, and the kid they drafted is SUPER athletic.
So my point is basically ... The season rides on Colt it is pretty cut and dry to me. If he succeeds we succeeed as a team as well. If he doesn't we don't. That just seems to be the way we are built right now.
QB is so key in this league and always has been. Every dynasty ever in football had a GREAT QB.
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my beer just flew out of my nose! holy crap! talk about drinking the kool aid.
YES i think heckertt is the best GM we've had since coming back into the league with his drafts. but what has anyone else done?
i don't agree totally with the OP's statements and especially with the way he's coming off, but i love the passion. passion we should all have. no one is calling for holmgren's head BUT MAKE SOME FXXKING MOVES!!!! don't we HAVE to spend a certain amount of money on FA?
i think clements makes sense not only because he would be cheap but because he's probably only one of a handful of players that wouldn't mind coming here brcause of his ohio roots and now the eric wright exit leaves that spot to be filled. cromartie is an ass and would love to resign here in ny where a photographer is around every turn.
but a back up RB? come on we gotta do better than that.
What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
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What's the status on Vickers? It is possible (albeit only slightly) that the plan is to release Vickers, move Hillis to FB until Marecic gets developed, and have Jackson and Hardesty as our feature backs.
Or perhaps Hardesty hasn't impressed since coming off of his injury, and Jackson was signed because Hardesty might not turn out to be a productive back at all.
Our RB/FB situation is far from settled. We have essentially a rookie coming off another lower body injury, who has yet to prove himself. We've got our starting FB feeling underappreciated and (as far as I know) yet to re-sign with us. We've got a RB who had himself a hell of a year in his first ever season as a true starting NFL RB, but is known as our only weapon. And a rookie FB we just added in the draft. There's any number of combinations we could have in the backfield. So, to me, adding Jackson wasn't a bad move in the least.
You have to realize that these moves might not make sense to us, because we're not the ones seeing these players in practice and hearing firsthand what the medical report is on their injuries. Once again, you have to trust that Holmgren and Co. have much more information about the status of their players than we do.
I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
I believe the biggest reason for not re-signing Vickers thus far is because he just doesn't have the hands that Holmgren and Co. liked for the WCO. Granted, he wasn't necessarily given the greatest opportunities, he was more often than not used strictly for blocking on passing plays. His 13 receptions in 07 were the most targets he's had in a season in his entire career. Hopefully, Marecic can prove to be just as proficient in catching as he is at blocking. If it turns out that Marecic's hands aren't exactly as sticky as Holmgren and Co. would like, then I could see Hillis subbing it at FB in most passing situations.
I think a very large reason Jackson was added was simply his experience in the WCO as a RB. It also doesn't hurt that he has shown potential. Adding a veteran mentor is a great plan, its even better when the mentor is actually still capable of performing at the necessary level (cough...cough...Delhomme).
As for Hardesty... well, the jury is still out. I'd like to see him come in and tear things up, but I'm not banking on it. I'm just not getting a good vibe when it comes to Hardesty.
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I'd say there's a < 5% chance vickers is back with the browns. Hence on why we were the first team to take a fullback in the draft. I believe vickers would have done just fine in this new offense, the FO apparently thinks otherwise
As for hardesty reports are he's been looking good so far, knee looks fine and he definitely has the skills to be a good solid running back. If he stays healthy, big IF there, I could see him surpassing Hillis as our #1 back, although there wouldn't be much difference as I'd predict a 55-45 split for carries between them.
Hillis will not be moved to FB although we may see him line up there from time to time, id say more likely on passing scenarios where he has the ability to check inside for blitz and then swing outside as a release valve.
The importance of the the Jackson signing is purely adding a proven NFL commodity for depth behind 2 good runningbacks. Injuries happen, as we've already seen so far this young season.
Either hillis or hardesty go down, we have someone who we know can step in. Hillis & hardesty go down?? Pray for brownies
I believe the biggest reason for not re-signing Vickers thus far is because he just doesn't have the hands that Holmgren and Co. liked for the WCO. Granted, he wasn't necessarily given the greatest opportunities, he was more often than not used strictly for blocking on passing plays. His 13 receptions in 07 were the most targets he's had in a season in his entire career. Hopefully, Marecic can prove to be just as proficient in catching as he is at blocking. If it turns out that Marecic's hands aren't exactly as sticky as Holmgren and Co. would like, then I could see Hillis subbing it at FB in most passing situations.
I think a very large reason Jackson was added was simply his experience in the WCO as a RB. It also doesn't hurt that he has shown potential. Adding a veteran mentor is a great plan, its even better when the mentor is actually still capable of performing at the necessary level (cough...cough...Delhomme).
As for Hardesty... well, the jury is still out. I'd like to see him come in and tear things up, but I'm not banking on it. I'm just not getting a good vibe when it comes to Hardesty.
I believe the biggest reason for not re-signing Vickers thus far is because he just doesn't have the hands that Holmgren and Co. liked for the WCO. Granted, he wasn't necessarily given the greatest opportunities, he was more often than not used strictly for blocking on passing plays. His 13 receptions in 07 were the most targets he's had in a season in his entire career. Hopefully, Marecic can prove to be just as proficient in catching as he is at blocking. If it turns out that Marecic's hands aren't exactly as sticky as Holmgren and Co. would like, then I could see Hillis subbing it at FB in most passing situations.
I think a very large reason Jackson was added was simply his experience in the WCO as a RB. It also doesn't hurt that he has shown potential. Adding a veteran mentor is a great plan, its even better when the mentor is actually still capable of performing at the necessary level (cough...cough...Delhomme).
As for Hardesty... well, the jury is still out. I'd like to see him come in and tear things up, but I'm not banking on it. I'm just not getting a good vibe when it comes to Hardesty.
agreed that is why vickers became expendable, but IMO it's a common misconception about him. He didn't catch balls in practice so he didnt improve on it since he came into the league. That doesnt mean that the ability isn't there. A little practice and he could have become the best all around fullback to come around in some time. Or not, who knows.
As for hardesty I don't think you can question his ability. He has the size, speed, vision and moves. Dudes got one of the sickest spin moves I've seen since booby miles haha. But as we all know, all the talent in the world can be negated by one bad knee.
And forgot Jackson played in the wco, added value is always good
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The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
I kind of look at the season this way ... it all rides on the shoulders of Colt. It is pretty simple. If Colt has a great yr we will win games. If Colt has a terrible year we will lose games. Seems pretty simple and logical.
If we added Nhamdi, Ray Edwards, and Sidney Rice the same would be true. We would have filled 3 "holes" but if Colt fails so do the Browns regardless.
We have enough for Colt to succeed right now. The WCO is the perfect system for his skillset. The line is pretty solid from center left and while it is a little shaky on the right side we have 2 kids with some nice upside and Billy Yates who IMO played very well when he played. We also have Hillis who is a beast and Hardesty healthy and we brought in Jackson who fits the system perfectly and is also very familar with it. Our WR's could be a huge question mark, but ... the last 2 high picks Heckert wasted on a WR were Maclin and Desean Jackson ... so I am going to trust his evaluation of WR's. I also think yr 3 could be the year that things click for Robo and MoMass...Yr 3 for a WR is commonly that year. Watson is a solid TE and the 2 kids behind him I am personally excited about them. Moore has amazing hands, and the kid they drafted is SUPER athletic.
So my point is basically ... The season rides on Colt it is pretty cut and dry to me. If he succeeds we succeeed as a team as well. If he doesn't we don't. That just seems to be the way we are built right now.
QB is so key in this league and always has been. Every dynasty ever in football had a GREAT QB.
The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
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The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
You are just assuming that to support your argument. Obviously I have no clue what the offer was, and no one really does aside from the parties involved.
Here is the thing though ... Edwards is a good defensive end, and better then anything we have. At the same time though we have no decent DE's (rookies excluded because who knows about him)aside from Benard who is a question mark so that isn't saying much. So yeah throwing the bank at Edwards would fill a hole.
You have to look at it like this though ... Edwards got 5yr/30 mil to play for one of the best teams in the NFL. A team that is going to be a very sexy Super Bowl pick as the season quickly approaches. Plus he gets to play opposite one of the better D-Ends in the league in John Abraham who is going to get double teamed.
Coming to the Browns he will play DE with a 25 yr old NT switiching to DT for the first time in his career and 2 rookies. Instead of playing opposite the guy being double teamed (like he is used with the vikes) he is going to be the man getting double teamed. Plus the Falcons give him a better shot to win now.
So with all that being said he got a fair deal (IMO I think he got to much and I think he is a question mark because of the fact he played on the same line as one of the 3 best ends in football and the Williams mountains in the middle ... teams can only do so much double teaming and that let Edwards run free)6yrs 3o mil. The Browns could have easily offered him the same exact deal ... but the Pro's to play in Atlanta just outweighed the Pro's to play in Cleveland.
We also could have opened the wallets more ... but it probably would have taken a somewhat overwhelming offer to pry him away from a winner. And would he have been worth say ... 37.5 over 5 years? putting him at 7.5 a year?? It would have been fiscally irresponsible to pay so much to a guy who has never been the "Man" on his Dline.
You sell this team very short on its talent. It obviously is far from the most talented bunch in the NFL, but there is a good amount of talent and IF Colt plays well we can beat anyone and that is evident from the Saints, Pats, and Jets games last yr ...And we have gotten better from last year (unless all of our picks lay an egg)
And BTW Edwards supposedly very impressed with the way the organization was run.
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The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
You have no f**king idea what I would want the Browns to do. All you seem to want to do is to roll around fecklessly in your own feculence.
What I want the Browns to do is to acquire good talent at a fair market value price.
What I also want is for the professionals on this team to do their jobs. Jobs that I nor you have any capability of performing. Tom Heckert has a record of success at doing that job. I will defer to his capabilities.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
Well, I do believe it is your style and not your substance that has aggravated people. And it is not that you are a newbie. There are lots of newbies. It is the fact that you have come off as an asshole, not as a newbie. I said that I think you are reading the talent on this team wrongly....and you start making personal insults at me over it. How do you expect someone to react? Overall I don't think we disagree on most of the points you have made here.
But, now that you have made your Act of Contrition you can complete your penance by simply saying 5 Hail Marys...an add an additional prayer that the Browns can get a receiver that can catch a Hail Mary.
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The problem isn't that we are just sitting back and dong nothing. I believe we definitly went after guys ... and some bigger name guys (Jonathan Joseph and Ray Edwards to name a couple) The problem is that GOOD players feel like we aren't a good enough team yet and they want to win. And can you blame them for thinking that. It is now the Browns job to prove them wrong and if key guys stay healthy we can do that. And next yr we can fill some holes with FA's
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
No one can point out and say something is a bad move until it is proven to be a bad move. We don't know if not signing some top name FA's this year will effect us until we see how we do during the season and we see how the big names perform at there new teams. Running around and shouting that the FO is failing us because they are not breaking the bank of unproven top name FA's (and if you think Edwards is anything but unprooven then you are mistaken) is pointless until we can actually see how the team can do without them and what those FA's are going to do for their team. I mean did anyone think our draft from last year was going to do anything? Everyone jumped on the "H&H xxxxed up!" bandwagon because Haden was slow and no one knew who Ward was and it ended up giving us 3 starters last year and this year we could have 4-5 players starting from that draft! Just cool you jets and at least wait until the first few games to declare our FO failures for not perusing FA's.
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You can't say we went after Ray or John i believe we made an offer YES but it's exactly the kind of offer the other Cleveland fans here like Gip would want to offer them something to a mid range basement deal and try to get a steal and those guys laughed in our faces that's exactly what i think happened.
And to anyone who is trying to call me out because i am new to these boards and you are not GREAT COMEBACK i am totally in respect for your long time status but i'll be on these forums for a long time to come and will continue to point out every dumbass move we make and i will give credit where credit is due but only pointing out that i am fresh to these forums is a weak ass concept in trying to get your opinion accross the only FACT is i did offer opinions and an idea of what i would do to improve the Cleveland Browns, you can go back and read all of your post you made 5 of you only attacked me in every post so i doubt you have any clue of the business side of football i am not saying i know it all but damn i feel like i know more then most of you by leaps and bounds, while 5 of you troll my post i also feel another 5-6 also support my statement regardless if i come off as an asshole or not.
No one can point out and say something is a bad move until it is proven to be a bad move. We don't know if not signing some top name FA's this year will effect us until we see how we do during the season and we see how the big names perform at there new teams. Running around and shouting that the FO is failing us because they are not breaking the bank of unproven top name FA's (and if you think Edwards is anything but unprooven then you are mistaken) is pointless until we can actually see how the team can do without them and what those FA's are going to do for their team. I mean did anyone think our draft from last year was going to do anything? Everyone jumped on the "H&H xxxxed up!" bandwagon because Haden was slow and no one knew who Ward was and it ended up giving us 3 starters last year and this year we could have 4-5 players starting from that draft! Just cool you jets and at least wait until the first few games to declare our FO failures for not perusing FA's.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
No one can point out and say something is a bad move until it is proven to be a bad move. We don't know if not signing some top name FA's this year will effect us until we see how we do during the season and we see how the big names perform at there new teams. Running around and shouting that the FO is failing us because they are not breaking the bank of unproven top name FA's (and if you think Edwards is anything but unprooven then you are mistaken) is pointless until we can actually see how the team can do without them and what those FA's are going to do for their team. I mean did anyone think our draft from last year was going to do anything? Everyone jumped on the "H&H xxxxed up!" bandwagon because Haden was slow and no one knew who Ward was and it ended up giving us 3 starters last year and this year we could have 4-5 players starting from that draft! Just cool you jets and at least wait until the first few games to declare our FO failures for not perusing FA's.
I just have a problem with a majority of the posters who think free agency and trades right now will not improve our team.
Atlanta, Philly, NYJ, Pats, and even the Seahawks i thought we're very dominate in the market this year and i truly believe all 5 of those are playoff bound this year, I would like to hear any thought on who the hell has to fall off to get the browns to move up i seriously have the browns at 11-5 lemme say that again 11-5 i posted the games i thought we could win in another thread and in most cases i hear 9-7 10-6 etc.
If we're a 9-7 or better team right now the way we think we are.... then why not get the free agents to put us over the top and start getting to the playoffs next 4-6 years starting now instead of waiting 3 years and hoping for top 10s? To be honest i want 4-6 years in the playoffs i could carelss if Luck, Undytani, or even Jesus was available over the next 3 years and we had a shot for him don't care.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
No one can point out and say something is a bad move until it is proven to be a bad move. We don't know if not signing some top name FA's this year will effect us until we see how we do during the season and we see how the big names perform at there new teams. Running around and shouting that the FO is failing us because they are not breaking the bank of unproven top name FA's (and if you think Edwards is anything but unprooven then you are mistaken) is pointless until we can actually see how the team can do without them and what those FA's are going to do for their team. I mean did anyone think our draft from last year was going to do anything? Everyone jumped on the "H&H xxxxed up!" bandwagon because Haden was slow and no one knew who Ward was and it ended up giving us 3 starters last year and this year we could have 4-5 players starting from that draft! Just cool you jets and at least wait until the first few games to declare our FO failures for not perusing FA's.
I just have a problem with a majority of the posters who think free agency and trades right now will not improve our team.
Atlanta, Philly, NYJ, Pats, and even the Seahawks i thought we're very dominate in the market this year and i truly believe all 5 of those are playoff bound this year, I would like to hear any thought on who the hell has to fall off to get the browns to move up i seriously have the browns at 11-5 lemme say that again 11-5 i posted the games i thought we could win in another thread and in most cases i hear 9-7 10-6 etc.
If we're a 9-7 or better team right now the way we think we are.... then why not get the free agents to put us over the top and start getting to the playoffs next 4-6 years starting now instead of waiting 3 years and hoping for top 10s? To be honest i want 4-6 years in the playoffs i could carelss if Luck, Undytani, or even Jesus was available over the next 3 years and we had a shot for him don't care.
I just have a problem with a majority of the posters who think free agency and trades right now will not improve our team.
Atlanta, Philly, NYJ, Pats, and even the Seahawks i thought we're very dominate in the market this year and i truly believe all 5 of those are playoff bound this year, I would like to hear any thought on who the hell has to fall off to get the browns to move up i seriously have the browns at 11-5 lemme say that again 11-5 i posted the games i thought we could win in another thread and in most cases i hear 9-7 10-6 etc.
If we're a 9-7 or better team right now the way we think we are.... then why not get the free agents to put us over the top and start getting to the playoffs next 4-6 years starting now instead of waiting 3 years and hoping for top 10s? To be honest i want 4-6 years in the playoffs i could carelss if Luck, Undytani, or even Jesus was available over the next 3 years and we had a shot for him don't care.
One last time....
Hey here's a guy who could help us Want Him Back?.
Atlanta, Philly, NYJ, Pats, and even the Seahawks now think real hard about what the difference between those teams and the Browns is? If you answer THEY WERE ALL PLAYOFF TEAMS IN 2010 go to the head of the class. Like 90% of the other guys here said- including a couple of our knowledgeable Steeler trolls- with the exception of Seattle, they're making a Super Bowl push. And common sense should tell you if you're rebuilding, don't go for the aging vets that will be out of football by the time you're ready to try for the Super Bowl. Yeah- we got FAs Anderson and Lewis and went 10-6, next year whoops, 4-12 right back in the toilet. Is that what you want?
I looked back for your list of Patriots & Saints FA- well, it's gone- if it was deleted, it wasn't me. And that list IIRC was mighty short on starters, and even shorter on major contributors- Like maybe Vrable, Patten, and injury risk Brees.
You're thinking 11-5? or was it 6-10? Make up your mind. The Browns won't be bad enough to take a shot at Andrew Luck either- I have the Bengals as the current leader in the clubhouse in that regard.
So like others have suggested, you want Holmgren and Heckert to start signing Free Agents this year? So start naming them, and tell us why they'd be a good fit for the Browns, instead of just crying we're not signing anybody.
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