What's The Most Troublesome Aspect Of Our Team Going Into The Regular Season?
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How can folks get so "down" after all the changes & limited implementation time? We are headed toward better days, but there is still lots to do. Certainly our talent today is far upgraded than in years past. we still need upgrades & depth. As previously stated, if Colt goes down, or Thomas, Haden, Mack, etc....we are hurting big time. We will get there, but no one has a magic wand that reverses performance in a year. The Front Office & Coaching staff "MO" has certainly changed, so let's enjoy Brown's football 2011 knowing that we're on the right path & not looking to blow things up at the end of the season.
Also, keep in mind that some "roster" players last night were playing beside others who will be cut, so those roster players were limited by their supporting cast.
Mike
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I couldn't agree more about depth, but did anyone think we'd really have any to start with? If you're taking the whole body of the pre-season to make your opinions, then yea i'll listen to you. But don't take hardly anything from last night's game other than depth concerns. The 4th pre-season game is absolutely nothing more than giving the guys battling for a roster spot a chance to shine.
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I couldn't agree more about depth, but did anyone think we'd really have any to start with? If you're taking the whole body of the pre-season to make your opinions, then yea i'll listen to you. But don't take hardly anything from last night's game other than depth concerns. The 4th pre-season game is absolutely nothing more than giving the guys battling for a roster spot a chance to shine.
I couldn't agree more about depth, but did anyone think we'd really have any to start with? If you're taking the whole body of the pre-season to make your opinions, then yea i'll listen to you. But don't take hardly anything from last night's game other than depth concerns. The 4th pre-season game is absolutely nothing more than giving the guys battling for a roster spot a chance to shine.
Exactly! The Browns have come a long way, but some expectations are totally unrealistic. Depth will come, but it will take awhile. I can be patient as we are finally doing things in a consistent way....I think it's the right way.
Mike
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Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
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I suppose the most troubling thing about the team is the possible lack of playmakers on both the O and the D.
Now, there are some candidates. Hillis, McCoy, Cribbs, Watson, Little (JT). Taylor, Ward, Haden on D. HOw premier a playmaker some of these are remains to be seen. And it would be nice to see, say a Lawrence Taylor at LB. We don't have anything there.
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Haha I just read carson palmer might show up to cinci to stick it to mike brown. They would be forced to trade, release or keep him as a 11.5 million dollar back up cause they are set on dalton as there starter
Haha I just read carson palmer might show up to cinci to stick it to mike brown. They would be forced to trade, release or keep him as a 11.5 million dollar back up cause they are set on dalton as their starter
Yep, that's the buzz down in Bungleland. Supposedly has talked directly with Mike Brown, so there's dialogue going on. Actually, as you mentioned Palmer has Eleven Million reasons to stick it to Mike Brown. That's a $700,000 per week paycheck. I don't think Palmer would do it- because he's too high character- but he could just show up and do a bad attitude act to force a trade.
As to my concerns about the Browns- 1) Can Pinkston play at a high level, and 2) Can anyone on this team play decent at linebacker?
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Is it the Defense or the lack of depth? Or, anything else you may think will be our Achilles Heel.
Is it the Defense or the lack of depth? Or, anything else you may think will be our Achilles Heel.
Again the problem as it has been for years.......................is lack of skill players on offense .....thus no punch when needed
why is the question always about D when Offense wins championships?????????????????
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
I agree with everything written above but the one thing that I dont understand with everything being new why the hell were the starters held out of the game. There is know way with missing all the practice time, this team is where it should be. I dont even want to hear the injury BS, even New England had there starters in for a series and they are a little ahead of us.
Just blowing off some steam but I think we could use the extra reps
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Zombo said:
I tend to go into the season optimistic and then get mad when they don't do well ... that is my m.o. ... always higher expectatations than most.
However, this year, this team, really is cause for excitement.
First of all, I'm in love with Colt McCoy as a QB. As much as I was lukewarm on Frye and Quinn from the get go ... I just think this kid is going to be not just good, but great. He is just so damn accurate, this offense is built for him. And he just has all the intangibles and correct mindset for a QB. Colt, alone, is a reason to be much more optimistic than usual.
Secondly, last season we discovered a true feautre back that was just pounding defenses in Hillis. We've been waiting forever for this guy. The man is a truck, he can run inside, run outside, catch passes, knock people on their asses ... he's a perfect fit at tailback.
Then we've got two Pro Bowlers on the offensive line and lots of young guy who look like they are going to stick and make a long-term impact. If we can block then McCoy and Hillis are going to explode on teams.
Defensively, I LOVE the picks of Taylor and Sheard, and the tall dude we picked from Minnesota last year (Jayme Mitchell?) and while our linebacker corp lacks depth, the starters are very, very solid ... expect big things from DQwell this year.
Then, you look at our secondary, and we just happened to draft two outright STARS last year in Haden in Ward. Plus we've got the eveteran back there and some new guys who have passed the eyeball test so far.
Colt, Hillis, Little, Moore, Thomas, Mack, Rubin, Sheard, Taylor, Mitchell, Bernard, Ward, Haden ... stop me when I've mentioned someone over 27!
And then Josh Cribbs is, in my opinion, going to bounce back from a down year to regain his status as one of the most exciting, and effective, players in the NFL again.
How can you NOT be excited about this team?
Zombo
Glad to hear your optimism. I've been optimistic about the team since they came back into the league. I think between this team and my college team (Usf) my optimism has been slightly jaded.
I agree that this is the best looking browns team since their return. I'm pumped but I wont be overly optimistic this time until I have reason. I get so excited for football season but in the end both my teams are usually disappointing.
Ill definitely give them a chance, but I'm going to hold off on getting too excited til we see what happens when the regular season starts.
Fyi hope everyone can root for Usf against Notre Dame tomorrow. I know Mitchel will be.
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Zombo said:
Even Lou Holtz is rooting for USF!
Z
Only because his son is the coach and his wife made him. Lol
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What did you see on the field? I really hope that he steps up!!!!
Alp
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well, I add it all up about Greg Little. I mean, I saw him on this show on the NFL channel before the draft.
I forget the coach's name, but he was working two wr's out. One was A.J. Green, and the other was Greg Little.
I swear a few times I got confused as to which one was which one, although I was working on my novel at the same time.
Both learned fast, and Little's change of direction was immediate just as Green's was. And as I watched him in practice,
he has different moves to stay away from jams at the iine, and he is still shiFts at near full speed to create separation.
He can leap and catch the ball and look all-pro doing it, to me. Now, how long does it take for his instincts to take over?
I don't think it will take long. He seems to have picked up this offense, after a long break from football, and I look for his name to be
well known to defenses the Browns play. Just a hunch - or educated ? wishful thinking. He is very, very, very athletic on the move,
and I don't see him as having nothin but very good hands. we'll see.
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What did you see on the field? I really hope that he steps up!!!!
Alp
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well, I add it all up about Greg Little. I mean, I saw him on this show on the NFL channel before the draft.
I forget the coach's name, but he was working two wr's out. One was A.J. Green, and the other was Greg Little.
I swear a few times I got confused as to which one was which one, although I was working on my novel at the same time.
Both learned fast, and Little's change of direction was immediate just as Green's was. And as I watched him in practice,
he has different moves to stay away from jams at the iine, and he is still shiFts at near full speed to create separation.
He can leap and catch the ball and look all-pro doing it, to me. Now, how long does it take for his instincts to take over?
I don't think it will take long. He seems to have picked up this offense, after a long break from football, and I look for his name to be
well known to defenses the Browns play. Just a hunch - or educated ? wishful thinking. He is very, very, very athletic on the move,
and I don't see him as having nothin but very good hands. we'll see.
What did you see on the field? I really hope that he steps up!!!!
Alp
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well, I add it all up about Greg Little. I mean, I saw him on this show on the NFL channel before the draft.
I forget the coach's name, but he was working two wr's out. One was A.J. Green, and the other was Greg Little.
I swear a few times I got confused as to which one was which one, although I was working on my novel at the same time.
Both learned fast, and Little's change of direction was immediate just as Green's was. And as I watched him in practice,
he has different moves to stay away from jams at the iine, and he is still shiFts at near full speed to create separation.
He can leap and catch the ball and look all-pro doing it, to me. Now, how long does it take for his instincts to take over?
I don't think it will take long. He seems to have picked up this offense, after a long break from football, and I look for his name to be
well known to defenses the Browns play. Just a hunch - or educated ? wishful thinking. He is very, very, very athletic on the move,
and I don't see him as having nothin but very good hands. we'll see.
The Coach was Jon Gruden, and the other guy in the video was Michael Irvin. Yeah, at least with no contact, fundamentally Little and AJ Green look to be the same player. Remains to be seen if the same holds true when we start playing for real. Little's stock dropped because of the suspension. Ditto that for Phil Taylor.
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Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
I agree with everything written above but the one thing that I dont understand with everything being new why the hell were the starters held out of the game. There is know way with missing all the practice time, this team is where it should be. I dont even want to hear the injury BS, even New England had there starters in for a series and they are a little ahead of us.
Just blowing off some steam but I think we could use the extra reps
I agree with everything written above but the one thing that I dont understand with everything being new why the hell were the starters held out of the game. There is know way with missing all the practice time, this team is where it should be. I dont even want to hear the injury BS, even New England had there starters in for a series and they are a little ahead of us.
Just blowing off some steam but I think we could use the extra reps
I think that at this point it's pick your poison. You play your starters and a couple of key guys get hurt before it's for keeps...I can see the reasoning behind sitting our key guys. Sadly in our case it's all brand spanking new so it would seem like we should have our starters out there. It's one or the other my man. As far as New England goes, Bilicheck (spelling) knows what he has in front of him and has known for a number of years so it's easier for him to take that chance. With us not really knowing what we have it'd really suck to lose someone that can make a difference all for the sake of squeezing in a few reps. The safe bet is to be vanilla until these guys catch on...which in the first two games they showed they're capable of catching on and go from there.
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Is it the Defense or the lack of depth? Or, anything else you may think will be our Achilles Heel.
Again the problem as it has been for years.......................is lack of skill players on offense .....thus no punch when needed
why is the question always about D when Offense wins championships?????????????????
Again the problem as it has been for years.......................is lack of skill players on offense .....thus no punch when needed
why is the question always about D when Offense wins championships?????????????????
Playmakers- let's see. Bengals. Carson Palmer, Terrell Owens, Cedric Benson, Mucho Stinko. Playmakers all. Damn, they should have won the Super Bowl with all that freaking talent.
You want better WRs? Where did Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald get the Cardinals? Nowhere? Class dismissed.
And since when did the #7 in the NFL in total yardage- that would be Peyton Hillis (other than a qb) not rate as a top tier skill player?
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Again the problem as it has been for years.......................is lack of skill players on offense .....thus no punch when needed
why is the question always about D when Offense wins championships?????????????????
Playmakers- let's see. Bengals. Carson Palmer, Terrell Owens, Cedric Benson, Mucho Stinko. Playmakers all. Damn, they should have won the Super Bowl with all that freaking talent.
You want better WRs? Where did Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald get the Cardinals? Nowhere? Class dismissed.
And since when did the #7 in the NFL in total yardage- that would be Peyton Hillis (other than a qb) not rate as a top tier skill player?
Playmakers- let's see. Bengals. Carson Palmer, Terrell Owens, Cedric Benson, Mucho Stinko. Playmakers all. Damn, they should have won the Super Bowl with all that freaking talent.
You want better WRs? Where did Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald get the Cardinals? Nowhere? Class dismissed.
And since when did the #7 in the NFL in total yardage- that would be Peyton Hillis (other than a qb) not rate as a top tier skill player?
The man has got some sound points. This is going to take some time fellas. We barely even know the team and some of us are saying shit can em'. Why? Only to get more guys we know little to nothing about? Scooping up sloppy seconds doesn't always bode well for teams. Just ask Tom Brady who can't seem to figure out how LOL "Mucho Stikno's" hands mysteriously have turned to stone. If you all remember back in the 80's we rarely discussed anyone new on the Browns...it's because we kept the same guys around and got to know about them and appreciate them for the talents they had. But that takes more than 4 preseason games I can promise you that.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
You are passionate about the Browns, I get it. But you are too close to the situation to see the truth, the teams are very similar, although the Bengals right now are the better franchise.
Sorry, Tom I live in Bungleland, and you need to have your head examined if you really believe this.
The Bengals HAVE drafted a solid qb and have gone after talented WRs and RBs. They have a discipline problem but also have a better overall talent level than the Browns.
Andy Dalton hasn't played a freaking down in a regular season game, and you're so sure of this? What I do know is they pissed off a Pro Bowl quarterback (Carson Palmer) so bad he retired rather than play for them. They let one of the most coveted FA CBs (Jonathan Joseph) walk rather than paying him- of which they had ample $$$ to do so. Talented RBs can't help you if they're in jail (Cedric Benson), WRs if they're dead (Chris Henry), tear your locker room apart (Terrell Owens), or would rather do bull riding publicity stunts (Mucho Stinko).
Neither team can beat the Steelers. Both teams make tons of mistakes. Fans of the two teams accuse each other of being the worst NFL franchise.
THe Bengals have made it to 2 SBs.
And lost both times. Close but no cigar. Blind squirrels find acorns- the Browns are still looking for theirs. BTW, dem Bungles might have won a SB if one of their "discipline problems" hadn't decided to get coked up the night before the Big Game.
Both teams have a fkucked up owners.
I'll take the dumb owner willing to spend money over the dumb cheap ass every day- and twice on gameday.
The only thing different about these two shit teams is that the players have different names. You could put together a Bengals - Browns all star team and it would be identical to either one of the component teams.
Now you're really talking out your ass. Bullsh***t give the Browns AJ Green, Leon Hall, Domata Peko the Bengals LBs for depth and the Browns are up in the contender range.
Two shit teams. Mirror images of each other.
Your take- which don't mean shit.
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