Owen Marecic
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I was also completely surprised by the Jordan pick. We already have two great pass catching TEs. I believe we have more positional concerns than a pass catching TE right now.
You have the remember though that Watson is 2-4 odd years away from retiring and Moore is a serious injury threat. Jordan is obviously a project with a high possible ceiling that isn't meant to do anything until Watson leaves or Moore gets hurt (which lets be honest is almost guaranteed to happen.
As for Marecic I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for a few reasons. First off most notably from what I can think of in the first 3 games (didn't watch much of last night) he has had one or two legit drops that were on the money and he just couldn't get, which in my opinion isn't that worry some because he is a rookie playing in his first few games. His first drop against Greenbay wasn't even his fault, if you watch he is running forward and the ball is thrown behind him, chalk up the fact that he didn't jump on the dropped lateral because it was his first game. Next I don't expect him to be some bruising power rusher either, he averaged 2 yards a carry in college and anyone who expected him to bash like Hillis is a moron. Honestly I feel like anything about his catching and running is a moot point when you consider that Vickers couldn't do shit in those regards either.
Now his blocking. I honestly feel that if he isn't blocking much worse than what Vickers was. Watching any of Vickers blocks last year and most of them where Hillis punches it for more yards, Vickers just sits with the guy he blocks, he doesn't drive him or pancake him, he just takes the body. Now I'm not trying to say that Marecic is on Vickers level as a blocker right now because he is a rookie, but I do think he is on level with what Vickers was doing as a blocker his rookie season.
Finally you can't deny the guys intelligence and work ethic. When you have the amount of people across the NCAA and NFL talking about how much this guy works you can't deny it. Plus the guy finished college with a 3.8 in something like a biological industries degree or some crazy crap. I have to doubt that Marecic is going to work hard to learn his blocks and his routes and work even harder on catching the ball. Ya I still wish Vickers was here, but I think we still have a good future FB who is going to get more comfortable in the regular season and show us all why we drafted him.
Seriously guys, its the preseason and only Greg Jennings can put his team on his back do.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
You have the remember though that Watson is 2-4 odd years away from retiring and Moore is a serious injury threat. Jordan is obviously a project with a high possible ceiling that isn't meant to do anything until Watson leaves or Moore gets hurt (which lets be honest is almost guaranteed to happen.
As for Marecic I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for a few reasons. First off most notably from what I can think of in the first 3 games (didn't watch much of last night) he has had one or two legit drops that were on the money and he just couldn't get, which in my opinion isn't that worry some because he is a rookie playing in his first few games. His first drop against Greenbay wasn't even his fault, if you watch he is running forward and the ball is thrown behind him, chalk up the fact that he didn't jump on the dropped lateral because it was his first game. Next I don't expect him to be some bruising power rusher either, he averaged 2 yards a carry in college and anyone who expected him to bash like Hillis is a moron. Honestly I feel like anything about his catching and running is a moot point when you consider that Vickers couldn't do shit in those regards either.
Now his blocking. I honestly feel that if he isn't blocking much worse than what Vickers was. Watching any of Vickers blocks last year and most of them where Hillis punches it for more yards, Vickers just sits with the guy he blocks, he doesn't drive him or pancake him, he just takes the body. Now I'm not trying to say that Marecic is on Vickers level as a blocker right now because he is a rookie, but I do think he is on level with what Vickers was doing as a blocker his rookie season.
Finally you can't deny the guys intelligence and work ethic. When you have the amount of people across the NCAA and NFL talking about how much this guy works you can't deny it. Plus the guy finished college with a 3.8 in something like a biological industries degree or some crazy crap. I have to doubt that Marecic is going to work hard to learn his blocks and his routes and work even harder on catching the ball. Ya I still wish Vickers was here, but I think we still have a good future FB who is going to get more comfortable in the regular season and show us all why we drafted him.
Seriously guys, its the preseason and only Greg Jennings can put his team on his back do.
Well said my man. I was going to post something but basically you covered a lot of what i wanted to bring home. It's waaaay early , after a pro-longed lockout and this is this kids first batch of NFL games. Folks need to take it the hell easy, he should be ok. If he isn't....Alex Smith can make the roster and blow the people the hell up.
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Yes, he's intelligent, and he graduated from Stanford with a degree in biology (the easiest of the hard sciences) so maybe I'd want him tutoring me for a lab technique or whatever. I don't give a shit about that, though. This guy is our fullback, and the only thing I care about is him making solid blocks and having sure hands.
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You act like this guy (Heckert) can't make a mistake. Sh|t, he's human. Yeah, his job is to pick guys in a crap shoot. Looks like thus far, this guy is crap. Not saying he's not going to pan out, but right now he's crap.
I give people the benefit of the doubt when they have shown they deserve it. I trust no one until they show they can be trusted.
Right- I've seen little out of the guy to make it seem justified to let Vickers go- he wasn't making THAT much money. OTOH, most of the other 2011 draft picks have looked pretty good. If Heckert hit on 100% of his picks we'd be in the Super Bowl in no time- so ONE stinker pick per year is certainly above average- sheeze, we were getting one DECENT pick per draft a few years back.
Right- I've seen little out of the guy to make it seem justified to let Vickers go- he wasn't making THAT much money. OTOH, most of the other 2011 draft picks have looked pretty good. If Heckert hit on 100% of his picks we'd be in the Super Bowl in no time- so ONE stinker pick per year is certainly above average- sheeze, we were getting one DECENT pick per draft a few years back.
I do like heckerts picks and I agree we should have kept vickers another year while this kid learned. We have enough voids to fill without trading a proven guy for a crap shoot.
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Maybe he's just playing with too many nerves, that's the only way to explain his lackluster performances.
once that settles down, he should be ok, but I agree with everyone on Vickers, they should have kept him.
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Zombo said:
He's certainly got good size, he excelled in his career at Stanford and scouts seem to love his intangibles and hard work.
So a fifth round fullback drops a couple of preseason passes and everyone thinks he's a failure?
C'mon ... you guys are smarter than that. Be patient. At least let him play a down in the league.
Zombo
Of course we'll be patient- we have no choice in the matter.
If you want to believe the ONLY reason the Browns bought Marecic in is because they thought he'd be an upgrade over Vickers (doubtful IMHO, if you can franchise Phil Dawson, why in the hell can't you pay LV market rate?) well then he'd had better start playing like Vickers- from day one.
Learning FB isn't running precise routes. It's like you're leading Peyton through the A gap. Kill the first guy you see.
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Marecic being a rookie he well, looks like a raw lost rookie..
His pass and run blocking along with his catching and running thusfar leaves much to be desired but i have seen some progress, owen will need at least an extra year in the weight room and a lot of grooming before he will pop his head out and say hello as an effective lead blocker..
I think he has the potential but out of the gate he just cant blow people up like vickers could but very few FBs can..
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Face it, people are whispering about the kid. He came in with damn near a pass as a fourth rounder, winner of the Paul Hornung Award, played both ways, was an academic genius and killed grizzlies with a pocket knife.
I was all for letting Vickers walk, I didn't feel he was good for the WCO and Marecic had the credentials it seemed. One telling sign, there has been nary a word about the kid from camp good or bad. I mean, I heard word on guys like Hagg, Skrine, Pinky, Sheard, Taylor and lots of others looking good at times, but never Owen.
He has looked nothing more than putrid so far in game action, but it is way too soon to write him off. He didn't get to participate in most of the off season stuff since he went to Stanford, so he was already behind the 8 ball.
It is worth noting that he has been getting outplayed in camp by a Clutts-----who also happens to be the backup long snapper.
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Yes, he's intelligent, and he graduated from Stanford with a degree in biology (the easiest of the hard sciences) so maybe I'd want him tutoring me for a lab technique or whatever. I don't give a shit about that, though. This guy is our fullback, and the only thing I care about is him making solid blocks and having sure hands.
Yes, he's intelligent, and he graduated from Stanford with a degree in biology (the easiest of the hard sciences) so maybe I'd want him tutoring me for a lab technique or whatever. I don't give a shit about that, though. This guy is our fullback, and the only thing I care about is him making solid blocks and having sure hands.
What makes you say that biology is the "easiest" of the hard sciences? I found geology much easier myself. And FYI, Stanford is considered the pre-eminent #1 grad school in America in the biological sciences. The other top ten are Harvard, Cal-Berkley, John Hopkins, Yale, MIT, Princeton, Cal Tech, U. of San Francisco, and Cornell.
I know this because my son's major is molecular biology and he did his internship at Cornell this summer and he is going to grad school at one of those places. Stanford is high on his list to attend....though I don't like the fact that he would be so far away from home.
But, yes, that has nothing to do with being a fullback in the NFL.
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@vaportrail said:
I majored in physics, almost double majored in biology, course away from a minor in chemistry and a minor in math. Now I am currently working on a masters in biology. Physics and chemistry are wayyyy tougher than bio, as far as undergrad is concerned, though. The interdisciplinary stuff is where it's at. What year is your son?
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
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@vaportrail said:
I majored in physics, almost double majored in biology, course away from a minor in chemistry and a minor in math. Now I am currently working on a masters in biology. Physics and chemistry are wayyyy tougher than bio, as far as undergrad is concerned, though. The interdisciplinary stuff is where it's at. What year is your son?
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, ok?
Well. Not really. But I have had the pleasure of playing with 40W lasers.
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@vaportrail said:
I majored in physics, almost double majored in biology, course away from a minor in chemistry and a minor in math. Now I am currently working on a masters in biology. Physics and chemistry are wayyyy tougher than bio, as far as undergrad is concerned, though. The interdisciplinary stuff is where it's at. What year is your son?
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
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I have been less than happy with Marecic thus far. Too many dropped passes.
Plus, he just flat out sucks in Madden.
Uh oh... you mentioned Madden. The old farts will be all over you for that one. Lol.
Uh oh... you mentioned Madden. The old farts will be all over you for that one. Lol.
As a old fart, my reply is maybe the kid just doesn't know how to play Madden and maybe the reason he sucks is because the guy doesn't yet know how to work the control pad.
I am sure Phillip Rivers sucks pretty good with a Retard at the controller.
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right now marecic is a waste of a position on the field. Charles Ali would put him to shame (in case you forgot--Savage era, good motor. was depth behind Vickers and a good Specials guy). he has shied from contact blatantly several times (and i wasn't even keying in on him) and his hands look suspect and are supposed to be his strength (!).
one specific play i recall (psgame 1 i think?) marecic was leading for Hillis off the right side and about 10 yards down field there was a convoy of like 4 or 5 guys with only one opponent to beat in space>>homeboy shrugged marecic off like he wasn't even there. in owen's defense i think it may have been Clay III but still, HORRIBLE technique.
i don't give passes for being rooks on the big stage, talent is talent and these guys have been playing ball since elementary. catching should be 2nd nature to him by now. HUGE dropoff from L. Vick. HUUUUGE.
something that i haven't seen mentioned is about Vicker's character concerns. there have been rumblings for years about his poor attitude. personally i believe Heckert didn't want him on the team anymore.
re: personnel i also think Coach Pat had some input in the drafting of both marecic and Cameron Jordan, so we may want to spread the responsibility there.
as an aside, i did however like how Shurmer stuck up for Owen in the presser. his response was fast, firm and frankly kinda bitey>>coincidently i haven't heard any other questions regarding him asked since.
still, dude blocks worse than Winslow did in his rookie year--and that's scary. and his hands certainly aren't Steve Heiden-esque either. hell, they're not even at the caliber of a rookie Stonehands Edwards. !!!
he has a loooooong way to go before i feel he can justify a place on the 53.
Godfather Roach, I like your QR reader avatar.
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let the kid catch up to the speed of the game. H&H must see something that piques their interest. True he has had his share of miscues in pre season. Hopefully
he can learn to relax and let the game come to him. Me betcha he gives 110% in practice which has saved him from the prior cuts. Giveemhell Owen
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@vaportrail said:
I majored in physics, almost double majored in biology, course away from a minor in chemistry and a minor in math. Now I am currently working on a masters in biology. Physics and chemistry are wayyyy tougher than bio, as far as undergrad is concerned, though. The interdisciplinary stuff is where it's at. What year is your son?
He is now in his 3rd year at Kenyon. And yes, it is molecular biology. I believe he said he has to take about as much chemistry as he does biology with that major.
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@vaportrail said:
I majored in physics, almost double majored in biology, course away from a minor in chemistry and a minor in math. Now I am currently working on a masters in biology. Physics and chemistry are wayyyy tougher than bio, as far as undergrad is concerned, though. The interdisciplinary stuff is where it's at. What year is your son?
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
I won the Heisman trophy in 1974...and the Nobel Peace prize in 1982 and the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1983...and hell, they gave it to me even though I never served in the military. A first in the history of the USA.
But then I got married the next year. So, none of that mattered. I was always wrong in any conversatin with my wife no matter what my credentials.
(I will say this...it may be possible that my son has a shot at going to Stanford grad school. My wife's uncle was a language professor there. Not sure if that helps...especially now that he is deceased.)
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@vaportrail said:
I majored in physics, almost double majored in biology, course away from a minor in chemistry and a minor in math. Now I am currently working on a masters in biology. Physics and chemistry are wayyyy tougher than bio, as far as undergrad is concerned, though. The interdisciplinary stuff is where it's at. What year is your son?
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
You wanna compare brainpans? I won the Westinghouse prize when I was 12, big deal. Published at 19, so what. I got a double doctorate from MIT at 22, Chemistry and Geology. I taught at Princton for two and a half years.
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