What's Going On With Peyton Hillis?

[blowe]

Homotron said:

I've been staying out of this sh.it show but here you are pulling me back in to the ring. I didn't get to watch the game but I did see the highlights and I did get to watch the Colts week 1. The Colts without Peyton Manning are far from a playoff team. The Colts without Peyton Manning are immediately in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes with Kansas City assuming Manning doesn't recover. If he does they're still selecting inside the top 5 and I'd argue the top two. A win is most certainly a win and you take them with a smile no matter what. However to IMPLY that the Colts hitting the field now are the same colts that haven't missed the playoffs in 8 years is so xxxxing dumb it gives me a stomach ache. Manning hid A LOT of the glaring problems with that roster. No manning neuters Reggie Wayne and all those "above average" receivers after Wayne are immediately average outside of Dallas Clark. You take the win this week but I wouldn't parade around celebrating it. Just like I'm not running around celebrating the shutout against the Seahawks. Last I checked the Steelers got murdered week 1. Take the win and move on, a one legged cripple could beat a Kerry Collins lead Colts team.

Its more of a reaction to Ghoolie. He's a Steelers fan and therefore not too bright. I'm sure you understand!

In the end though I do agree with you. The Colts flat out suck, but a win is a win and I will enjoy it.

[Harry Buffalo]

The only reason Hillis did explode for 5 yards a carry today is because of the O-Line. He was getting hit before the line of scrimmage on every play and was still getting those 3 yard carries almost every time.

[kshutchins]

@soju said:

Ok, I get that, but he was doing that last year, too. I'm not concerned about his catches, I'm worried about his running. I want to see him with an average of 4-4.5 yards per carry at the end of the game, not 3.5.

3.5 yards per carry may not be pretty but it can add up to a lot of first downs.

[1 more season]

True the oline being ding up is why the ypc were down but the fumbles need to stop.

[kshutchins]

Homotron said:

... a one legged cripple could beat a Kerry Collins lead Colts team.

I don't think that's true. There's a lot of talent on the Colts team.

[Kosar_For_President]

The only beef I have with his performance is the fumbles. Dude hold onto the ball.

[gmp]

@soju said:

Besides that burst at th end of the game, he has not impressed me in the slightest.

The Colts don't have a good rushing D, and they contained him pretty easily. Every rushing attempt for him today practically was for either 2 or 3 yards--unlike the chucks of 7-8 yards he got last season. And throw in that fumble he had, and this guy is starting to scare me a bit.

What's going on with him?

Is it a case of a one-hit wonder?

Very Simple...

Since the Browns gagged on getting any wide-out help via free agency or drafting anyone...There is no threat down-field..Defenses just crowd the box and wait for Hillis to get the ball...Not really rocket science. If they would hve drafted Julion (down by the schoolyard) Jones, it would have helped Hillis...One dimensional offense is what we have here, and here in lies the problem for Peyton.

[1 more season]

@gmp said:

Very Simple...

Since the Browns gagged on getting any wide-out help via free agency or drafting anyone...There is no threat down-field..Defenses just crowd the box and wait for Hillis to get the ball...Not really rocket science. If they would hve drafted Julion (down by the schoolyard) Jones, it would have helped Hillis...One dimensional offense is what we have here, and here in lies the problem for Peyton.

They drafted Little he's a wide receiver. And, it's Julio not Julion.

[gmp]

@1-more-season said:

They drafted Little he's a wide receiver. And, it's Julio not Julion.

It's a typo numbnuts...did you ever hear of Julion down by the schoolyard?..

Sheeesh!

and yeah...Little just puts the fear of GOD into DB's...

c'mon dude

[Thomaspro]

@gmp said:

It's a typo numbnuts...did you ever hear of Julion down by the schoolyard?..

Sheeesh!

and yeah...Little just puts the fear of GOD into DB's...

c'mon dude

Jones had like 26 yards yesterday. Little had 33 yards. Neither one is very impressive right now.

[Harry Buffalo]

@gmp said:

It's a typo numbnuts...did you ever hear of Julion down by the schoolyard?..

Sheeesh!

and yeah...Little just puts the fear of GOD into DB's...

c'mon dude

Cause getting two good DT and WR out of the deal was sooooo shitty. You draft Julio Jones and we are no closer to winning last week or losing this week than we were.

[Thomaspro]

Hillis-iz-Boss said:

Cause getting two good DT and WR out of the deal was sooooo shitty. You draft Julio Jones and we are no closer to winning last week or losing this week than we were.

Exactly!

[Vagitron]

@kshutchins said:

I don't think that's true. There's a lot of talent on the Colts team.

Oh really? Where?

Austin Collie - Average without Manning

Pierre Garcon - Average without Manning

Anthony Gonzalez - Average without Manning

Reggie Wayne - Elite talent but getting towards the back end of his career

Dwight Freeney - Elite talent but getting towards the end of his career and injuries have flared up. He's still elite

Robert Mathis - Above average but isn't the same kind of studly that he used to be

Antoine Bethea - Above average

Gary Bracket - The only solid LB and he's getting way up there and he's never been elite or even above average in my opinion, just solid

Joesph Addai - Marginal, especially without Peyton

Delone Carter - Could be very solid but right now he's not going to do a damn thing with Collins under center.

Jeff Saturday - very good center (The rest of the line is marginal)

The above are the most notable.

I could go through the entire roster like this and maybe 5 or 6 guys have top end talent. The Colts have always been putrid against the run. Bob Sanders is gone and he's a shell of his former self anyway. Kelvin Hayden is now a falcon so now they're relying on a guy like Powers. As sad as it is Peyton Manning is that team. Sooooooo where is this "a lot of talent" on the Colts roster? They are putrid without Peyton Manning.

[D Bone]

@wrrebel said:

He is fine.. he is still a stud and I still want to do him...

WTF is happening here?

[The Gipper]

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

Ah yeah, 94 WHOPPING yards in 27 carries? Against a weak team? Yes, he is a regular HOF er waiting to happen. 3.5 yards per carry, in an era when running the football is easier than in Browns day.

Hillis is good, not great. We need a runner like Mendenhall or Addai.

We are better off with Hillis because with the injuries to our OL, and the loss of Vickers which cannot be underestimated, we need someone that that get yards with 2-3 guys on him, because we don't have the blocking. Mendenhall and Addai do NOT have that same skill.

Maybe they are a little quicker on the edge, but then Hillis showed on that TD run that he can get the edge as well.

Those other guys would never even see the edge with poor blocking.

[The Gipper]

Homotron said:

I've been staying out of this sh.it show but here you are pulling me back in to the ring. I didn't get to watch the game but I did see the highlights and I did get to watch the Colts week 1. The Colts without Peyton Manning are far from a playoff team. The Colts without Peyton Manning are immediately in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes with Kansas City assuming Manning doesn't recover. If he does they're still selecting inside the top 5 and I'd argue the top two. A win is most certainly a win and you take them with a smile no matter what. However to IMPLY that the Colts hitting the field now are the same colts that haven't missed the playoffs in 8 years is so xxxxing dumb it gives me a stomach ache. Manning hid A LOT of the glaring problems with that roster. No manning neuters Reggie Wayne and all those "above average" receivers after Wayne are immediately average outside of Dallas Clark. You take the win this week but I wouldn't parade around celebrating it. Just like I'm not running around celebrating the shutout against the Seahawks. Last I checked the Steelers got murdered week 1. Take the win and move on, a one legged cripple could beat a Kerry Collins lead Colts team.

Fair statement. I agree that the Colts without Manning may be in the bottom 5 teams. (But its not just him, they have lost other good players as well. They lost the heart and soul of their defense without Bob Sanders). Though I am not so sure that Kerry Collins is all that bad...and least no worse than about a half dozen or so other QBs in this league right now. His problem clearly is that he was brought in the week before the regular season, and this Colts offense is a very difficult offense.

[The Gipper]

Homotron said:

Oh really? Where?

Austin Collie - Average without Manning

Pierre Garcon - Average without Manning

Anthony Gonzalez - Average without Manning

Reggie Wayne - Elite talent but getting towards the back end of his career

Dwight Freeney - Elite talent but getting towards the end of his career and injuries have flared up. He's still elite

Robert Mathis - Above average but isn't the same kind of studly that he used to be

Antoine Bethea - Above average

Gary Bracket - The only solid LB and he's getting way up there and he's never been elite or even above average in my opinion, just solid

Joesph Addai - Marginal, especially without Peyton

Delone Carter - Could be very solid but right now he's not going to do a damn thing with Collins under center.

Jeff Saturday - very good center (The rest of the line is marginal)

The above are the most notable.

I could go through the entire roster like this and maybe 5 or 6 guys have top end talent. The Colts have always been putrid against the run. Bob Sanders is gone and he's a shell of his former self anyway. Kelvin Hayden is now a falcon so now they're relying on a guy like Powers. As sad as it is Peyton Manning is that team. Sooooooo where is this "a lot of talent" on the Colts roster? They are putrid without Peyton Manning.

So? Le Roi, c'est morte. Vive Le Roi.

Don't ask me to shed any tears for the Colts. They had a hell of a run. Now may come the Age of the DumbAssTexans in the AFC South.

[The Gipper]

Formerly Sane said:

No offense but this is the issue with Browns fans. You think that because a guy has a great season, he is a hall of famer. Greatness comes from the ability to be great over a long period of time, not just for a season or a part of a season.

Hillis is a great prospect and is looking like he will be very good..........but don't anoint him just yet...........time will tell.

I don't think anyone has annointed him a Hall of Famer...but perhaps a Pro Bowler or at least just a damn good RB which the team needs and who is very popular with the style he runs. He didn't make the Madden game cover just on the strength of those Browns fans who support him....or, maybe he did.

[The Gipper]

Zombo said:

Really?? This is a thread?

Dude just carried us to victory. I have been waiting 20 years for this guy.

Zombo

Yea, let's see: Since the days of Mack and Byner we have had the likes of Tommy Vardell, Leroy Hoard, Terry Kirby, Travice Prentice, William Green, Lee Sugss, Ruben Droughns, Jamal Lewis, Jerome Harrison, and the like.

No one likely to let us forget Jim Browns and Leroy Kelley (or even Mike Pruitt and Mack and Byner).

Droughns and Lewis had a couple of OK years here, but we got them at the tail end of their careers, not in their prime. So, yea, Hillis seems that he should become the man in the Browns backfield. (and by the way, the year that Droughns was here and both years for Lewis, they each carried the rock more times than Hillis did last year)

[The Gipper]

Formerly Sane said:

Ever hear of Derek Anderson?

Yea. Sure, had he continued to play the way he played in 2007, which was a Pro Bowl year for him, he would probably still be the QB of this team. He clearly did not continue to play that way.

For Hillis there are only 2 things that would lead to him not continuing to be the player he has been the last year:

Injury, obviously. That is true with any player.

And if this O-line continues to have problems like it has, with retirements and injuries, no RB will get far that way...and it would probably lead to injury.

In theory I guess the other thing that could happen is that a Montario Hardesty could come along and prove that he is a superstar RB. But somehow, I don't think that will happen.