What's Going On With Peyton Hillis?
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Fair statement. I agree that the Colts without Manning may be in the bottom 5 teams. (But its not just him, they have lost other good players as well. They lost the heart and soul of their defense without Bob Sanders). Though I am not so sure that Kerry Collins is all that bad...and least no worse than about a half dozen or so other QBs in this league right now. His problem clearly is that he was brought in the week before the regular season, and this Colts offense is a very difficult offense.
I agree on Collins to a point but he was never very good in Tennessee with plenty of time to prepare. If I were the Colts I'd pick up a guy like David Garrard. As far as Sanders is concerned I would have never called him the "heart and soul of the defense' but he was certainly one of their defensive leaders. His injury woes are what did him in and I'm honestly surprised he's on a roster at all right now. As far as "Shedding a tear for the Colts" is concerned I was merely pointing out that the roster has always been mostly Peyton Manning. His ability on offense allowed the team to cover their glaring problems on defense. They've always been able to outscore, rarely have they defended to victory.
Homotron said:
I agree on Collins to a point but he was never very good in Tennessee with plenty of time to prepare. If I were the Colts I'd pick up a guy like David Garrard. As far as Sanders is concerned I would have never called him the "heart and soul of the defense' but he was certainly one of their defensive leaders. His injury woes are what did him in and I'm honestly surprised he's on a roster at all right now. As far as "Shedding a tear for the Colts" is concerned I was merely pointing out that the roster has always been mostly Peyton Manning. His ability on offense allowed the team to cover their glaring problems on defense. They've always been able to outscore, rarely have they defended to victory.
Yea, but note, like I posted elsewhere, before yesterday the last 3 Browns Colts game ended 10-6, 13-6 and 9-6 all won by the Colts. In those at least, they clearly "defended" themselves to victories. Aberrations perhaps, but they could and did do it.
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Homotron said:
I agree on Collins to a point but he was never very good in Tennessee with plenty of time to prepare. If I were the Colts I'd pick up a guy like David Garrard. As far as Sanders is concerned I would have never called him the "heart and soul of the defense' but he was certainly one of their defensive leaders. His injury woes are what did him in and I'm honestly surprised he's on a roster at all right now. As far as "Shedding a tear for the Colts" is concerned I was merely pointing out that the roster has always been mostly Peyton Manning. His ability on offense allowed the team to cover their glaring problems on defense. They've always been able to outscore, rarely have they defended to victory.
Yea, but note, like I posted elsewhere, before yesterday the last 3 Browns Colts game ended 10-6, 13-6 and 9-6 all won by the Colts. In those at least, they clearly "defended" themselves to victories. Aberrations perhaps, but they could and did do it.
Yea, but note, like I posted elsewhere, before yesterday the last 3 Browns Colts game ended 10-6, 13-6 and 9-6 all won by the Colts. In those at least, they clearly "defended" themselves to victories. Aberrations perhaps, but they could and did do it.
I'm not trying to be a troll with this next statement but they were playing the Browns. The Colts have never been known for their defense and despite having a few solid years overall as a team defense most of the problems were covered up by Manning on the other side. Bottom line and for the sake of avoiding additional arguments about arguments the Colts are putrid without Manning. It's just the first time we've had to see it in great detail because Manning hasn't missed any games until now.
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Yea, but note, like I posted elsewhere, before yesterday the last 3 Browns Colts game ended 10-6, 13-6 and 9-6 all won by the Colts. In those at least, they clearly "defended" themselves to victories. Aberrations perhaps, but they could and did do it.
I'm not trying to be a troll with this next statement but they were playing the Browns. The Colts have never been known for their defense and despite having a few solid years overall as a team defense most of the problems were covered up by Manning on the other side. Bottom line and for the sake of avoiding additional arguments about arguments the Colts are putrid without Manning. It's just the first time we've had to see it in great detail because Manning hasn't missed any games until now.
Homotron said:
I'm not trying to be a troll with this next statement but they were playing the Browns. The Colts have never been known for their defense and despite having a few solid years overall as a team defense most of the problems were covered up by Manning on the other side. Bottom line and for the sake of avoiding additional arguments about arguments the Colts are putrid without Manning. It's just the first time we've had to see it in great detail because Manning hasn't missed any games until now.
I agree. The Colts aren't the Colts we have known.
It might sound good to beat them, but if one uses them as the barometer, you aren't going to win many games.
A win is a win and extra good if it evens the record, but nobody should get too excited over this.
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Homotron said:
I'm not trying to be a troll with this next statement but they were playing the Browns. The Colts have never been known for their defense and despite having a few solid years overall as a team defense most of the problems were covered up by Manning on the other side. Bottom line and for the sake of avoiding additional arguments about arguments the Colts are putrid without Manning. It's just the first time we've had to see it in great detail because Manning hasn't missed any games until now.
I agree. The Colts aren't the Colts we have known.
It might sound good to beat them, but if one uses them as the barometer, you aren't going to win many games.
A win is a win and extra good if it evens the record, but nobody should get too excited over this.
I agree. The Colts aren't the Colts we have known.
It might sound good to beat them, but if one uses them as the barometer, you aren't going to win many games.
A win is a win and extra good if it evens the record, but nobody should get too excited over this.
I think we should be excited about getting a win no matter who we were playing. The Colts are no where near the team they are with Manning playing but you play the teams on the schedule. No one felt sorry for us when we were starting Spurgeon Wynn and all those other wonderful quarterbacks we've tried.
I think we beat Miami this week...how long since we had a winning record??
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I agree. The Colts aren't the Colts we have known.
It might sound good to beat them, but if one uses them as the barometer, you aren't going to win many games.
A win is a win and extra good if it evens the record, but nobody should get too excited over this.
I think we should be excited about getting a win no matter who we were playing. The Colts are no where near the team they are with Manning playing but you play the teams on the schedule. No one felt sorry for us when we were starting Spurgeon Wynn and all those other wonderful quarterbacks we've tried.
I think we beat Miami this week...how long since we had a winning record??
I think we should be excited about getting a win no matter who we were playing. The Colts are no where near the team they are with Manning playing but you play the teams on the schedule. No one felt sorry for us when we were starting Spurgeon Wynn and all those other wonderful quarterbacks we've tried.
I think we beat Miami this week...how long since we had a winning record??
I don't think you're going to beat Miami. You have no real answer for Brandon Marshall and Davone Bess is a tank underneath. They've had two tough match ups with the Patriots week 1 and the emerging Texans week 2. They're going to be pissed and ready to grab a "W". Your defense isn't going to have a good time with Marshall or Bess for that matter. I won't say it's not possible but I'll be surprised if the Browns pull it out.
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now if only they had a QB to get marshal and bess the ball....
Henne hasn't been bad. As I said before two tough match ups to start the season. Brandon Marshall had a load of catches week 1. Henne was 30 for 49 which completion percentage wise isn't the greatest BUT he through for 419 and 2 td's (1 int) Marshall had 7 for 139, Bess 5 for 92. His performance week 2 was more marginal at 1 td/1 int and 170 yards through the air but the Houston defense is emerging. I don't expect a Cleveland win week 3.
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He'll be fine every team will be keying on him and making Colt get his job done.They need to run him 25 times a game atleast he punishes defensive lines He's a BEAST.
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now if only they had a QB to get marshal and bess the ball....
Henne hasn't been bad. As I said before two tough match ups to start the season. Brandon Marshall had a load of catches week 1. Henne was 30 for 49 which completion percentage wise isn't the greatest BUT he through for 419 and 2 td's (1 int) Marshall had 7 for 139, Bess 5 for 92. His performance week 2 was more marginal at 1 td/1 int and 170 yards through the air but the Houston defense is emerging. I don't expect a Cleveland win week 3.
Homotron said:
Henne hasn't been bad. As I said before two tough match ups to start the season. Brandon Marshall had a load of catches week 1. Henne was 30 for 49 which completion percentage wise isn't the greatest BUT he through for 419 and 2 td's (1 int) Marshall had 7 for 139, Bess 5 for 92. His performance week 2 was more marginal at 1 td/1 int and 170 yards through the air but the Houston defense is emerging. I don't expect a Cleveland win week 3.
I don't expect a win, but the Browns have shown enough against the Colts to say they certainly can win. Marshall is a matchup nightmare agreed (look for Haden to cover him), but he can't catch anything if Henne is on his back looking up at the sky. You could argue the Browns haven't faced a high octane offense yet, but I was quite shocked to see the Browns D in the top 10 in YPG allowed.
And in contrast the 'Fins D is dead last in that category. You don't win many games in the NFL surrendering 430 Yards per.
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I think we should be excited about getting a win no matter who we were playing. The Colts are no where near the team they are with Manning playing but you play the teams on the schedule. No one felt sorry for us when we were starting Spurgeon Wynn and all those other wonderful quarterbacks we've tried.
I think we beat Miami this week...how long since we had a winning record??
I don't think you're going to beat Miami. You have no real answer for Brandon Marshall and Davone Bess is a tank underneath. They've had two tough match ups with the Patriots week 1 and the emerging Texans week 2. They're going to be pissed and ready to grab a "W". Your defense isn't going to have a good time with Marshall or Bess for that matter. I won't say it's not possible but I'll be surprised if the Browns pull it out.
Homotron said:
I don't think you're going to beat Miami. You have no real answer for Brandon Marshall and Davone Bess is a tank underneath. They've had two tough match ups with the Patriots week 1 and the emerging Texans week 2. They're going to be pissed and ready to grab a "W". Your defense isn't going to have a good time with Marshall or Bess for that matter. I won't say it's not possible but I'll be surprised if the Browns pull it out.
Whether or not the Browns win remains to be seen, but to say the Browns have no answer for Brandon Marshall is absurd. Right now, Joe Haden can match up with just about any receiver in the league. That includes Marshall and anyone else.
And as I said before, them being 'pissed' is irrelevent. It don't mean squat. I am pissed because the Browns have been so bad so many years now. Is that going help the Browns win? Hell no.
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Homotron said:
Henne hasn't been bad. As I said before two tough match ups to start the season. Brandon Marshall had a load of catches week 1. Henne was 30 for 49 which completion percentage wise isn't the greatest BUT he through for 419 and 2 td's (1 int) Marshall had 7 for 139, Bess 5 for 92. His performance week 2 was more marginal at 1 td/1 int and 170 yards through the air but the Houston defense is emerging. I don't expect a Cleveland win week 3.
I don't expect a win, but the Browns have shown enough against the Colts to say they certainly can win. Marshall is a matchup nightmare agreed (look for Haden to cover him), but he can't catch anything if Henne is on his back looking up at the sky. You could argue the Browns haven't faced a high octane offense yet, but I was quite shocked to see the Browns D in the top 10 in YPG allowed.
And in contrast the 'Fins D is dead last in that category. You don't win many games in the NFL surrendering 430 Yards per.
I don't expect a win, but the Browns have shown enough against the Colts to say they certainly can win. Marshall is a matchup nightmare agreed (look for Haden to cover him), but he can't catch anything if Henne is on his back looking up at the sky. You could argue the Browns haven't faced a high octane offense yet, but I was quite shocked to see the Browns D in the top 10 in YPG allowed.
And in contrast the 'Fins D is dead last in that category. You don't win many games in the NFL surrendering 430 Yards per.
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
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I don't expect a win, but the Browns have shown enough against the Colts to say they certainly can win. Marshall is a matchup nightmare agreed (look for Haden to cover him), but he can't catch anything if Henne is on his back looking up at the sky. You could argue the Browns haven't faced a high octane offense yet, but I was quite shocked to see the Browns D in the top 10 in YPG allowed.
And in contrast the 'Fins D is dead last in that category. You don't win many games in the NFL surrendering 430 Yards per.
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
Homotron said:
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
Marshall is such an elite player? How many Pro Bowls has he made in his 5 years in the league? Exactly the same number that I have, zero. Is he productive? Sure. He has caught a lot of balls. Is he better than any WR the Browns have? Well, yea, duh. Can Joe Haden handle him? Absolutely. It is Joe, I believe, who is the "elite talent" in that matchup. Marshall may get "his" 5 or 6 catches. The key will be "for what distance".
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Homotron said:
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
Marshall is such an elite player? How many Pro Bowls has he made in his 5 years in the league? Exactly the same number that I have, zero. Is he productive? Sure. He has caught a lot of balls. Is he better than any WR the Browns have? Well, yea, duh. Can Joe Haden handle him? Absolutely. It is Joe, I believe, who is the "elite talent" in that matchup. Marshall may get "his" 5 or 6 catches. The key will be "for what distance".
Marshall is such an elite player? How many Pro Bowls has he made in his 5 years in the league? Exactly the same number that I have, zero. Is he productive? Sure. He has caught a lot of balls. Is he better than any WR the Browns have? Well, yea, duh. Can Joe Haden handle him? Absolutely. It is Joe, I believe, who is the "elite talent" in that matchup. Marshall may get "his" 5 or 6 catches. The key will be "for what distance".
Yeah,Brandon Marshall doesnt scare Me. Hes done just about everything possible to sabotage his own career. I'll put My money on Haden too.
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I don't expect a win, but the Browns have shown enough against the Colts to say they certainly can win. Marshall is a matchup nightmare agreed (look for Haden to cover him), but he can't catch anything if Henne is on his back looking up at the sky. You could argue the Browns haven't faced a high octane offense yet, but I was quite shocked to see the Browns D in the top 10 in YPG allowed.
And in contrast the 'Fins D is dead last in that category. You don't win many games in the NFL surrendering 430 Yards per.
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
Homotron said:
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
I appreciate the fact that you showed your work in coming to this opinion but you are way off. The Dolphins are not good at all. Trust me, I don't have the ticket and have to watch enough of their games down here. They may beat the Browns but they are not much better if any.
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Homotron said:
The inverse being that the Browns have played the Bengals and the hobbled Colts. The Dolphins played the Patriots week 1 and a very explosive offense week 2 with Houston. The YPG stat is absolutely irrelevant in this argument because it's comparing apples to oranges. One team played two elite offenses and the other played two teams that can barely get out of their own way. The Bengals being the better of the two. As far as Joe Haden is concerned he's certainly a good corner but Brandon Marshall is a elite talent with above average strength. I'd wager that Marshall still gets his and if he doesn't (credit to Haden) Bess will underneath. The Dolphins are far and away the best team of the 3 being discussed. They will be up for this game.
I appreciate the fact that you showed your work in coming to this opinion but you are way off. The Dolphins are not good at all. Trust me, I don't have the ticket and have to watch enough of their games down here. They may beat the Browns but they are not much better if any.
I appreciate the fact that you showed your work in coming to this opinion but you are way off. The Dolphins are not good at all. Trust me, I don't have the ticket and have to watch enough of their games down here. They may beat the Browns but they are not much better if any.
They haven't looked bad this season IMO. I'm not saying they are world beaters and honestly they may not even be a playoff team BUT they've done some good things in week 1 and 2. My point was you can't base your opinion on the Dolphins by their YPG given up or their defense for that matter. They played two elite offenses in week 1 and 2. They are better than both the Colts and the Bengals but as you eluded it is a winnable game for the Browns. I just don't see it happening.
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Like everyone has said, defenses are gameplanning for him now, the O-line is depleted and we lost Vickers. Plus going to a new offense that is more pass happy, it will take a while for Hillis to adjust. As Hillis showed in the Indy game, he still has the ability to be explosive.
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I appreciate the fact that you showed your work in coming to this opinion but you are way off. The Dolphins are not good at all. Trust me, I don't have the ticket and have to watch enough of their games down here. They may beat the Browns but they are not much better if any.
They haven't looked bad this season IMO. I'm not saying they are world beaters and honestly they may not even be a playoff team BUT they've done some good things in week 1 and 2. My point was you can't base your opinion on the Dolphins by their YPG given up or their defense for that matter. They played two elite offenses in week 1 and 2. They are better than both the Colts and the Bengals but as you eluded it is a winnable game for the Browns. I just don't see it happening.
Homotron said:
They haven't looked bad this season IMO. I'm not saying they are world beaters and honestly they may not even be a playoff team BUT they've done some good things in week 1 and 2. My point was you can't base your opinion on the Dolphins by their YPG given up or their defense for that matter. They played two elite offenses in week 1 and 2. They are better than both the Colts and the Bengals but as you eluded it is a winnable game for the Browns. I just don't see it happening.
I'd have to agree with Homo here. I watched the Phins/Pats game and the Phins looked pretty decent. I was amazed that Daboll wasn't doing run, run, pass like he did over here.
I know we've beaten the Phins the last few times we've played them, but they look much improved and their offense is pretty darn good. Just be leery.
IMO, I see the Browns offense not being able to keep up with the Phins offense. I don't think the Browns offense will put up enough points to win this one.
Hope i'm wrong.
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Why is it "big deal, we beat a "hobbled Colts", when
the Browns won, are are hobbled on the offensive line, and Hardesty was injured,
and GoCong was injured, and MoMass was injured. Good grief.
Anyways, there isn't any freakin thing wrong with Hillis, fer cryin out loud:
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GM Tom Heckert blames Peyton Hillis' 3.4 yards per carry average on changes in personnel on the offensive line.
"Obviously, we want him to be better," said Heckert, "but ... new left guard, new right tackle, new fullback, new offense. It's gonna come. I really think we're gonna be able to run the ball." Hillis' low per-carry average goes back to last season when he wore down under a heavy workload. Since Week 10 of the 2010 season, he's averaged just 3.67 yards per carry.
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Hillis not practicing today. The Browns say he is sick but will be fine by Sunday.
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To answer your original post, it's plain and simple why the run game is slightly off, Eric Steinbach being MIA, and Lawrence Vickers moving on... But once these new guys in those slot's feel their roles in peyton's run style i think he'll get another 20-35 yards a game and average something around 107.4 yards a game when this season ends.
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