Positives And Negitives Thread
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Positives- Josh Cribbs winning us the game on special teams and quick screens. This guy does not cease to amaze me on how many guys he can make miss. Shurmur did a great job using him on offense.
Greg Little's performance was a positive not a so-so. He made tough catches in traffic that helped moved the chains. Perfect execution for the west coast offense. He will catch balls downfield as soon as we get an offensive line that can protect out qb.
Jaball Sheard got to the qb and made plays behind the LOS. He is developing into a playmaker.
TJ Ward showed great coverage ability today. He should be off everyone's shit list now.
Smith made tough catches in traffic and took many shots while doing so. He helped his qb out by being a reliable target.
Hillis was a total beast today earning every yard he gained. I don't believe there is any other back in the NFL that would have got the yardage he got today with the browns lackluster offensive line.
The so-so was Colt Mccoy. He managed the game well, no turnovers, scrambled for a first down, throws well outside of the pocket. He missed a few open looks today (hillis in the goaline the most obvious) he almost had a fumble for loss, and he gets his receivers killed by throwing into zone coverages where the defender is closing down hard. He played o.k, even slightly good, but not anything to be impressed about.
Another so-so is our punter. He is a hige improvement from McGee, but I would have liked to see him pin the colts back inside the 10 atleast once instead of out of bounds at the 18.
The negatives were Shurmur's personell and gametime decisions. Hardest on the goaline was NOT the time to bring in an inexperienced backup off the bench who is out of sync with the whole game. Also, the third and 2 run to marecic just sucked major ass.
Another negative is not scoring td's inside the 10. We need to find ways to score td's. Evan Moore would have been a nice target to throw too. Mixing up the playcalling with play actions on first down can help as well.
The last negative was our run d. They are giving up way too many chunks of yards on first downs. Colts suck at running the football and we let them play in second and short all day long. Thank god Kerry Collins sucks as bad as he does to not be able to take advantage of the weapons he has because our run defense played poorly enough to cost us this game.
Positives- Josh Cribbs winning us the game on special teams and quick screens. This guy does not cease to amaze me on how many guys he can make miss. Shurmur did a great job using him on offense.
Greg Little's performance was a positive not a so-so. He made tough catches in traffic that helped moved the chains. Perfect execution for the west coast offense. He will catch balls downfield as soon as we get an offensive line that can protect out qb.
Jaball Sheard got to the qb and made plays behind the LOS. He is developing into a playmaker.
TJ Ward showed great coverage ability today. He should be off everyone's shit list now.
Smith made tough catches in traffic and took many shots while doing so. He helped his qb out by being a reliable target.
Hillis was a total beast today earning every yard he gained. I don't believe there is any other back in the NFL that would have got the yardage he got today with the browns lackluster offensive line.
The so-so was Colt Mccoy. He managed the game well, no turnovers, scrambled for a first down, throws well outside of the pocket. He missed a few open looks today (hillis in the goaline the most obvious) he almost had a fumble for loss, and he gets his receivers killed by throwing into zone coverages where the defender is closing down hard. He played o.k, even slightly good, but not anything to be impressed about.
Another so-so is our punter. He is a hige improvement from McGee, but I would have liked to see him pin the colts back inside the 10 atleast once instead of out of bounds at the 18.
The negatives were Shurmur's personell and gametime decisions. Hardest on the goaline was NOT the time to bring in an inexperienced backup off the bench who is out of sync with the whole game. Also, the third and 2 run to marecic just sucked major ass.
Another negative is not scoring td's inside the 10. We need to find ways to score td's. Evan Moore would have been a nice target to throw too. Mixing up the playcalling with play actions on first down can help as well.
The last negative was our run d. They are giving up way too many chunks of yards on first downs. Colts suck at running the football and we let them play in second and short all day long. Thank god Kerry Collins sucks as bad as he does to not be able to take advantage of the weapons he has because our run defense played poorly enough to cost us this game.
Greg Little 4 catches for 38 yards...........you call that a positive?! thats so so as so so can get.
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In addition to Hillis, Cribbs, Ward, MoMass, and Little mentioned above, I think a few more players deserve thumbs up:
Rubin had a great game on the D-line. Maynard's punting. Colt avoiding the rush. Balanced attack - no more West Coast bullshit - you need to keep the defense guessing by having all plays in your arsenal. Young had an important int and some good hits. Alex Smith, Joe Thomas (except one play). Patterson (except one play). Marecic improved. And we saw a few screen plays!!
Not happy with:
Play calling - as pointed out here, with no big play attempts. Too much up the middle in short yard age - hard to stop Hillis on a sweep.
The final 90 secinds - Colts went downfield quickly and scored.
O-Line did not open holes and McCoy was constantly scrambling. Joe Haden, Hardesty, Robiskie (where was he?). Colt's completion percentage.
In addition to Hillis, Cribbs, Ward, MoMass, and Little mentioned above, I think a few more players deserve thumbs up:
Rubin had a great game on the D-line. Maynard's punting. Colt avoiding the rush. Balanced attack - no more West Coast bullshit - you need to keep the defense guessing by having all plays in your arsenal. Young had an important int and some good hits. Alex Smith, Joe Thomas (except one play). Patterson (except one play). Marecic improved. And we saw a few screen plays!!
Not happy with:
Play calling - as pointed out here, with no big play attempts. Too much up the middle in short yard age - hard to stop Hillis on a sweep.
The final 90 secinds - Colts went downfield quickly and scored.
O-Line did not open holes and McCoy was constantly scrambling. Joe Haden, Hardesty, Robiskie (where was he?). Colt's completion percentage.
Get used to the WCO BS as you so call it. Its what were gonna be. It's who our coaches and FO are. Theyre not gonna stop developing into it. It worked in Candkestick,Green Bay and it will work here, as Paul Brown used it. Good schemes and good plays never die when you have talent and experiance to run it.
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momass is playing well. i think that he, cribbs, and little should be our core 3 wr.
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momass is playing well. i think that he, cribbs, and little should be our core 3 wr.
momass is playing well. i think that he, cribbs, and little should be our core 3 wr.
I think MoMass ran some pretty crisp routes and showed some explosion sunday. hope that continues.
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Zombo said:
Well, the positive is that he is in his second game of his career and he has already made some tough ca=ches and become a part of the offense.
Brian Robiskie, who I think was drafted higher than Little, hasn't done that yet in his third season.
This is another sign of the type of player Heckert drafts. Little looks like the best athlete on the field when he is out there. I don't imagine it will take long for him to start playing like it.
Z
I say he starts this week and really comes alive. Week 1 was first real game in over a year, week 2 he started to perform, week 3 back at home he'll explode.
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Positives- Josh Cribbs winning us the game on special teams and quick screens. This guy does not cease to amaze me on how many guys he can make miss. Shurmur did a great job using him on offense.
Greg Little's performance was a positive not a so-so. He made tough catches in traffic that helped moved the chains. Perfect execution for the west coast offense. He will catch balls downfield as soon as we get an offensive line that can protect out qb.
Jaball Sheard got to the qb and made plays behind the LOS. He is developing into a playmaker.
TJ Ward showed great coverage ability today. He should be off everyone's shit list now.
Smith made tough catches in traffic and took many shots while doing so. He helped his qb out by being a reliable target.
Hillis was a total beast today earning every yard he gained. I don't believe there is any other back in the NFL that would have got the yardage he got today with the browns lackluster offensive line.
The so-so was Colt Mccoy. He managed the game well, no turnovers, scrambled for a first down, throws well outside of the pocket. He missed a few open looks today (hillis in the goaline the most obvious) he almost had a fumble for loss, and he gets his receivers killed by throwing into zone coverages where the defender is closing down hard. He played o.k, even slightly good, but not anything to be impressed about.
Another so-so is our punter. He is a hige improvement from McGee, but I would have liked to see him pin the colts back inside the 10 atleast once instead of out of bounds at the 18.
The negatives were Shurmur's personell and gametime decisions. Hardest on the goaline was NOT the time to bring in an inexperienced backup off the bench who is out of sync with the whole game. Also, the third and 2 run to marecic just sucked major ass.
Another negative is not scoring td's inside the 10. We need to find ways to score td's. Evan Moore would have been a nice target to throw too. Mixing up the playcalling with play actions on first down can help as well.
The last negative was our run d. They are giving up way too many chunks of yards on first downs. Colts suck at running the football and we let them play in second and short all day long. Thank god Kerry Collins sucks as bad as he does to not be able to take advantage of the weapons he has because our run defense played poorly enough to cost us this game.
Greg Little 4 catches for 38 yards...........you call that a positive?! thats so so as so so can get.
Greg Little 4 catches for 38 yards...........you call that a positive?! thats so so as so so can get.
Watch the games instead of whacking it to fantasy football. Greg made difficult catches on all downs to help move the chains. He did everything we needed him to do. He can't make plays downfield yet because colt doesn't have enough time to sit in the pocket and deliver the football with accuracy. Right now, we need quick hitting plays that either create short yardage situations or to move the cahins on 3rd and 5.
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Greg Little 4 catches for 38 yards...........you call that a positive?! thats so so as so so can get.
Watch the games instead of whacking it to fantasy football. Greg made difficult catches on all downs to help move the chains. He did everything we needed him to do. He can't make plays downfield yet because colt doesn't have enough time to sit in the pocket and deliver the football with accuracy. Right now, we need quick hitting plays that either create short yardage situations or to move the cahins on 3rd and 5.
Watch the games instead of whacking it to fantasy football. Greg made difficult catches on all downs to help move the chains. He did everything we needed him to do. He can't make plays downfield yet because colt doesn't have enough time to sit in the pocket and deliver the football with accuracy. Right now, we need quick hitting plays that either create short yardage situations or to move the cahins on 3rd and 5.
4 cathces for 38 yards..........thats bummy...why don't you try watching some other games around the league and become more knowledgable so you can understand that 4 cathces n 38 yards sucks
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Watch the games instead of whacking it to fantasy football. Greg made difficult catches on all downs to help move the chains. He did everything we needed him to do. He can't make plays downfield yet because colt doesn't have enough time to sit in the pocket and deliver the football with accuracy. Right now, we need quick hitting plays that either create short yardage situations or to move the cahins on 3rd and 5.
4 cathces for 38 yards..........thats bummy...why don't you try watching some other games around the league and become more knowledgable so you can understand that 4 cathces n 38 yards sucks
4 cathces for 38 yards..........thats bummy...why don't you try watching some other games around the league and become more knowledgable so you can understand that 4 cathces n 38 yards sucks
From a rookie who hasn't played in about 2 years it sound pretty good.
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Under the circumstances, Jake, with the waiting for a new contract etc,
and new rookie having to play LG, and Pasho lost temporarily? at RT, with new systems
and new coaches,
Little showed some serious get open quick ability, and toughness, etc ...
he did a nice job for what he was asked to do.
I call a really big upside on the kid.
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positive: our offense is only a few big passing and rushing plays a game from being top 10.
WE NEED BIG PLAYS!
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Watch the games instead of whacking it to fantasy football. Greg made difficult catches on all downs to help move the chains. He did everything we needed him to do. He can't make plays downfield yet because colt doesn't have enough time to sit in the pocket and deliver the football with accuracy. Right now, we need quick hitting plays that either create short yardage situations or to move the cahins on 3rd and 5.
4 cathces for 38 yards..........thats bummy...why don't you try watching some other games around the league and become more knowledgable so you can understand that 4 cathces n 38 yards sucks
4 cathces for 38 yards..........thats bummy...why don't you try watching some other games around the league and become more knowledgable so you can understand that 4 cathces n 38 yards sucks
All of his routes were short ones and he wasn't starting, I'm sure his numbers would be much better starting with Massaquoi and having some deeper routes called for him(I mentioned this in several posts before too, about how Little needs better routes called for him). You look at Little's college highlights and you'll see that he specialized in catching the deep ball, so that's exactly how the Browns should be playing him, instead they're playing him with short TE-like routes over the middle.
and I agree with Zombo, plus you have to understand you don't become a great team in one year, the talent level will increase with next year's draft for sure(two 1sts, two 2nds even?), then they will sign FAs when they know the team is ready to contend. with that being said, their plan is to try to win every game regardless of the talent level(and there's plenty of good pieces at the moment anyhow).
even though Shurmur is a rookie head coach(who has questionable play calling at times), I feel a lot more confident with the structure of this front office than years past, and that's with Holmgren making some mistakes even(Delhomme contract being the biggest mistake), but Holmgren has done way more good than bad for the Browns as an organization so it's fine.
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