Is Hillis Going Walk?
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well if the browns are going to keep him the FO needs to get ahead of this thing now cuz hillis's agent is now commenting to the press. agents are scumbags.
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the madden curse takes many forms...........may we be seeing yet another?
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Guys,
at the risk of shocking some of you, I will make an attepmt at resonable football talk........
1) If you truly believe that the Browns are on the right track, then you must be realistic about the role of Peyton Hillis. Do you believe he is the caliber of Ramrod that Campbell, Pete Johnson, Czonka or Bettis was?
I don't think so. If he was, we should be a hell of a lot better at sustaining drives and punching it in the endzone
2) Is he a guy we want to keep? Good grief, of course he is.
3) IS he of the caliber that we shouldn't seek an Adrian Petersen type RB? C mon guys, you know better. He just isn't of that caliber.
If you're being honest, you have to admit that at least part of why we love this guy is because for so long, we haven't had much of anything at RB. It was fun to watch him last year.
Now, I predicted that because of his inability to sut and shred, defenses would do a better job on him in 2011. Maybe not shutting him down, but I think exposing him as not having quite enough skills to be a mainstay in the backfield.
4) So herein perhaps is the problem managing him. In his mind, like any young stud with a normal NFL ego, he is proud, confident and wants the limelight. Who wouldn't, especially after the year he had on and off the field (Madden)
So, imagine for a moment that at least part of my take on Hillis is valid. As manager of the Browns you want to keep the guy, but your long-term vision of Hillis is more of a 2nd back or even a short yardage and specialty, shake-it-up back....
Well, that's going to be a management headache. YOu certainly don't want him getting away, but at teh same time you aren't going to tie up the BIG MONEY that you are going to need to add a true, star quality RB.
How do you break that news to Hillis? Perhaps management is being smart by just playing passive-aggressive and letting time work in their favor.
I will say this, if Holmgren and comapny really are smart football people, they will find a way to keep Hillis and let him also know what his future role will be.
Surely, if you believe this is a team on the way up, then you have to recognize that Hillis is not the kind of runner you are going to have as a staple of the offense.
If it comes down to him walking? IN the big picture, I don't see it hurting us. Ramrod RBs don't exactly last long anyway.
While most of your insight is fairly accurate, I really have to disagree with you on the level of Hillis' talent. He was our featured back last season, and put up some pretty decent numbers, in spite of being injured. In fact, I don't think we've seen his full potential, yet. Hardesty looks promising, but I wouldn't take him over Hillis. He is still young and has several good years ahead of him. There is no guarantee, if we lose him, that we will find another RB close to his talent. You may not have noticed, but talent evaluation isn't exactly our strong point....especially at skilled positions. All this recent hype about Hillis missing the Miami game is crap. I, personally think he was just sick, and couldn't play. The story has become blown out of proportion by the media. The only thing that scares me, is how Shurmer chose his words, to address the media on this subject, recently. He said that Hillis was sick and couldn't play....and that was the end of it. However, he mentioned that Hillis played and contributed in the Titans game, and we lost.....but he didn't play in the Miami game, and we won. I get the feeling he was pointing that out to kind of minimize the importance of having Hillis in the game.
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I'll be the first to say Peyton Hillis IS the face of Cleveland (Right now) and he could fill that role very nicely, a hard working bruiser RB that at times has put the team on his shoulders. Pat Shurmur i thought learned his lesson in week 1 when we got away from the run game and lost, he comes back week 2 and gives us a nice dose of plays but even in a win and lose week 3/4 the play calling was bad as shit 60 pass plays with peyton hillis ready to go? and most of those passes we didn't even start hitting evan moore?
if we aren't 7-3 or 6-4 by week 11 and we are worse i don't want him back next year, just because i know we have the players and the schedule to make a decent season.
lol this was funny......how do we even come close to having good enough players to post this good of a record?????????? theres no chance of this my man
lol this was funny......how do we even come close to having good enough players to post this good of a record?????????? theres no chance of this my man
I have no idea why these people even post this opinion, you have the right so whatever, but i'm not sure how many times i have to post the teams we play against and a majority of them are terrible, we gotta run against.
Oakland-Toss up let's say loss for the fans who think we are that bad, 2-3
49'ers Win 3-3
Seahawks Win 4-3
Texans-Loss 4-4
Rams-Win 5-4
Jaguars-win 6-4
Bengals-Win 7-4
Ravens-Loss 7-5
Steelers-Win 8-5
Cardinals-Toss up 9-5 Gave us the win
Ravens-Loss 9-6
Steelers-Win 10-6 Wildcard
I had an 11-5 season, but this is how i see the rest of the season panning out, but hell 2 losses seasons over tank it amiright... stupid as shit sometimes.
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Would you guys run when your down 20+ points half way through the 3rd quarter? I agree that Hillis should have been given more of Hardesty's reps, but why are you bitching about the amount of pass plays when we had to play catch up for half of the game. That is what happens when you are down that far, you pass it.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Would you guys run when your down 20+ points half way through the 3rd quarter? I agree that Hillis should have been given more of Hardesty's reps, but why are you bitching about the amount of pass plays when we had to play catch up for half of the game. That is what happens when you are down that far, you pass it.
They were down 15 at the half. Indy, the year they won the Super Bowl and beat New England to go to the Super Bowl they were down 35-3 at the half. They came out ran the ball and Peyton Manning did his thing too. One of the keys to winning that game was Dominic Rhodes and Joseph Addai. So when you're down double digits it is wise to stick to the run. You'd be amazed what results you get.
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It is possible that Payton Hillis is the Michael Jordan of Football. Remember what they said about Jordan? That the one guy that could keep Jordan from scoring 20 points in any given game was Dean Smith.
Well, the one guy that seems to be able to keep Hillis from what it is that Hillis does is Pat Shurmur.
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Let's not lie. We, most if us anyway, would love to see a white running back succeed. You know what's good? Laying racial stereotypes to rest.
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Well, not to be disrespectful, but I think your evaluation of Hillis' talent is like I pointed out in my post, based somewhat on emotion. He's just not that good of a back.
And, of course, Ghoolie, we know that none of your opinions are ever based on any sort of emotions, right?
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Well, not to be disrespectful, but I think your evaluation of Hillis' talent is like I pointed out in my post, based somewhat on emotion. He's just not that good of a back.
His decent year ( not stellar, but decent) was based on opposing defenses getting caught by surprise. In 2009 the Browns had no running game. So, in 2010 Hillis got to run through a lot of holes that he just isn't finding in 2011 now that teams know they have to account for him.
Jog your memory for a minute and think back to Reuben Droughns. Rich and I got blasted for suggesting that he would be a one-hit-wonder and after one year, defenses would account for him. Well, sure enough, as good as he was in year one, the next year he got stuffed. Posters blamed the OL and play calling but it was none of that. A straight ahead runner is easy to stop if that is all the offense has, and this is the case with the Browns.
I didn't bring Hardesty into this conversation and will only comment that if I was in charge, Hardesty would get most of the carries and Hillis would be used sparingly in short yardage, redzone and other specialty applications.
Hardesty's talent involves cutting back, finding his own holes and having some real speed. These skills are not offered by Hillis, AND are desperately needed to add some confulsion to opposing defenses. Hardesty can get up filed and he can cut back to daylight. Hillis will always be found close to the middle of the field. He makes us too predictable and it seems management gets it.
Regarding his playing injured last year. WHo in the NFL doesn't play injured?
This belief that once he gets healthy all of a sudden he will be even more effective is not based in reality. Regarding injuries, he is just as likely to get injured again as he is to get healthy.
And THIS too must be considered. Ram rads don't last that long in the NFL, 5 maybe 6 years.
On many levles Hillis throws up red flags for our future. If he can accept a lesser, supporting, specialty role? Then we should keep him. On the other hand if he wants AP type money, then we need to seek a trade or simply let him go. His talent level just isn't that hard to find in the NFL.
We have to stop being emotional about this guy.
Emotional attachment is one thing, but fear of the unknown is more accurate...at least in my case. If you take Hillis out of the equation, I see an unproven back, with a history of injuries, who may have all the talent in the world, but is still a question mark. Beyond that, who do we have that can step in and be as productive as Hillis? Who can we pick up in free agency? I would bet there would be a line of teams forming to grab Hillis if we let him go. When you mention straight ahead runners, how about Jim Brown, Kevin Mack, Larry Csonka, Earl Campbell, etc.? It wouldn't be the worst idea to feature 2 running backs with different styles. It's been done with much success before....Kevin Mack / Ernest Byner....Mercury Morris / Larry Csonka and countless others. While I wouldn't pay him Adrian Peterson money, I think he deserves Cedric Benson money.
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Gholie your an idiot last game hillis had a 4.6 yard average on 10 carries as oppossed to Hardestry had a 3.5 on 7 carries with i couldnt even count how many drops..Hillis is a great back whether you want to believe it or not...Its only a matter of how many carries he will get due to are coaches,he only gets better the more times you feed him the rock...O yeah you know whos really glad Shurmur is gone is Steven Jackson ask how much he misses his sorry ass over there not giving a stud like him the ball.Shurmur keeps this shit up Hillis will walk away to the Bengals or some shit and destroy us twice a year.
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What kind of money does a RB with fumbling problems and a pedestrian YPC go for these days anyway? You can't really blame Hillis and his agent for trying to strike while they have the shirt pulled over enough people's heads. As far as the team goes, I think it would be terrible to pay him a lot of money but financially it may make sense for merchandise sales to all of the yokels buying Hillis gear.
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Gholie your an idiot last game hillis had a 4.6 yard average on 10 carries as oppossed to Hardestry had a 3.5 on 7 carries with i couldnt even count how many drops..Hillis is a great back whether you want to believe it or not...Its only a matter of how many carries he will get due to are coaches,he only gets better the more times you feed him the rock...O yeah you know whos really glad Shurmur is gone is Steven Jackson ask how much he misses his sorry ass over there not giving a stud like him the ball.Shurmur keeps this shit up Hillis will walk away to the Bengals or some shit and destroy us twice a year.
Gholie your an idiot last game hillis had a 4.6 yard average on 10 carries as oppossed to Hardestry had a 3.5 on 7 carries with i couldnt even count how many drops..Hillis is a great back whether you want to believe it or not...Its only a matter of how many carries he will get due to are coaches,he only gets better the more times you feed him the rock...O yeah you know whos really glad Shurmur is gone is Steven Jackson ask how much he misses his sorry ass over there not giving a stud like him the ball.Shurmur keeps this shit up Hillis will walk away to the Bengals or some shit and destroy us twice a year.
You do know that Jackson got 350 carries each of shurmers 2 seasons in st louis right?
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I have been saying what Goolie has been saying forever!!!! I like Hillis as much as anybody, but out front office WILL not pay him the money he wants. He does not fit what we are trying to do. He is a good back, but a great short yardage/red zone back.
Hardesty, he has the cut back move that every grerat back has..He has speed, strenth, vision..It has to stay healthy. Now I am not say Hardesty is the next AP, but he has more of a chance than Hillis...
Said it forever they should get 60/40 60 Hillis/40 Hardetsy
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Is Hilis going Walk?
Re......Spect......Walk.........run your mouth when I'm not around, its easy to achieve. You cry to weak friends that sympathize. Can you hear, the violins playing your song??? Those same friends tell me your every word!!!!!!
Is there a country version of that, with fiddlers and yodelers. If so I could see Hillis going walk. Maybe he could fill in for Dime-bag though.
I assume he's more along the lines Between Jennings and Jones, more country outlaw. I'd like to see him go Walk though.
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Amazing to me people would rather have Hardesty over Hillis,thats cool but if he does leave and Hardesty blows or gets injured or we have to use yet another pick to get a back with him..Then its a wasted pick also let Hillis go to the Bengals or Steelers and see how much we miss him when hes killing us twice a year...
Not saying he deserves top of the market RB money but just a month ago every one was praising him,hes still the best back we have...After the responses of most browns fans that i have read i wouldnt blame him if he did walk do your thing Hillis...
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This is not an issue. Check the tweets by Peyton retweeted by mary Kay
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Amazing to me people would rather have Hardesty over Hillis,thats cool but if he does leave and Hardesty blows or gets injured or we have to use yet another pick to get a back with him..Then its a wasted pick also let Hillis go to the Bengals or Steelers and see how much we miss him when hes killing us twice a year...
Not saying he deserves top of the market RB money but just a month ago every one was praising him,hes still the best back we have...After the responses of most browns fans that i have read i wouldnt blame him if he did walk do your thing Hillis...
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A. I see where Ghoolie is going with the Droughns/Hillis comparison ... but I think Hillis is a much better talent because he can catch the ball out of the backfield very well for a back and he is even a better runner then Droughns. I do agree that backs of Hillis style DO NOT last long in this league 5-6 years like Ghoolie stated may even be a stretch, however Hillis I think will have a 5-6 year career ... but thats only because Denver barely used him years 1 & 2 and he is in year 4 already. I think he has atleast one more year after this year and probably even 2 more years.
B. Someone used Kevin Mack in the same breath as Jim Brown, Earl Campbell and Larry Czonka ... while maybe Mack was the same style of a runner (straight ahead) he is nowhere near that caliber ... and in my opinion Hillis is ever better then Mack. Mack was decent nothing more nothing less. He was nothing special. (And I am a Kevin Mack fan)
C. I am all for signing Hillis up ... as long as all the garunteed money is in years 1&2 and not further down the road. He also needs to get a deal along the lines of a CedBen at best. Benson has had more productive years then Hillis ... so paying him more would certainly be a stretch ...even paying him as much may be a stretch.
D. I hope the media is blowing this out of proportion and this isn't much of an issue. I hope Hillis either shuts up and plays or the front office steps up and offers him a fair contract. Hillis being a bitch does nothing for anybody involved.
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This nonsense is confusing me.
What do people expect from Hillis in a season when a top OL is out the entire year - Steinbach? Also, why does the FO continue to avoid replacing him with a solid player that's looking for a job - such as Jags OL Vince Manuwai - just to play one of their precious draft pick scrubs? Yeah, yeah, we get it - you drafted Shaun Lauvao, congratulations. Now stop with the self-love and put in a guy who can get the job done.
And why is Hillis on his third agent in four months? Bizarre fail. Does Walrus really think Hillis is done as a player? That doesn't make any sense either.
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