Our 80 Million Dollar Oline
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Defensive and Offensive rankings of recent Super Bowl winners:
2000 Ravens Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 1
2002 Bucs Offense rank: 24, Defense rank: 1
2003 Pats Offense rank: 17, Defense rank: 1
2004 Pats Offense rank: 7, Defense rank: 2
2005 Steelers Offense rank: 15, Defense rank: 4
2006 Colts Offense rank: 2, Defense rank: 23
2007 Giants Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 7
2008 Steelers Offense rank: 22, Defense Rank: 1
2009 Saints Offense rank: 1, Defense rank: 20
2010 Packers Offense rank: 10, Defense rank: 5
Also, 2010 Steelers SB losers: Offense rank: 14, Defense rank: 2
Thus, having a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense gives a team a title much more frequently than the other way around. The Saints and Colts were far more the abberation.
Sp what is your point that having defense that collapses in the Super Bowls wins a tomato
Bottom line the Super Bowl winning team has an average point total of 31..........................and that says defense is not a winner but offense is...............................but keep spewiing useless stats without facts to support the numbers
i hate being proven wrong too... Great defense give mediocre offenses more chances to scoreSp what is your point that having defense that collapses in the Super Bowls wins a tomato
Bottom line the Super Bowl winning team has an average point total of 31..........................and that says defense is not a winner but offense is...............................but keep spewiing useless stats without facts to support the numbers
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not again man...
do you guys have any substance to offer in these threads? we all know the WRs stink. we all know the QB isnt a future hall of famer. we all know running the ball isnt our team anymore
the line is the most important part of a team but football is the purest TEAM sport in the entire world and 5 guys up front cant win it by themselves
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Defensive and Offensive rankings of recent Super Bowl winners:
2000 Ravens Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 1
2002 Bucs Offense rank: 24, Defense rank: 1
2003 Pats Offense rank: 17, Defense rank: 1
2004 Pats Offense rank: 7, Defense rank: 2
2005 Steelers Offense rank: 15, Defense rank: 4
2006 Colts Offense rank: 2, Defense rank: 23
2007 Giants Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 7
2008 Steelers Offense rank: 22, Defense Rank: 1
2009 Saints Offense rank: 1, Defense rank: 20
2010 Packers Offense rank: 10, Defense rank: 5
Also, 2010 Steelers SB losers: Offense rank: 14, Defense rank: 2
Thus, having a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense gives a team a title much more frequently than the other way around. The Saints and Colts were far more the abberation.
Defensive and Offensive rankings of recent Super Bowl winners:
2000 Ravens Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 1
2002 Bucs Offense rank: 24, Defense rank: 1
2003 Pats Offense rank: 17, Defense rank: 1
2004 Pats Offense rank: 7, Defense rank: 2
2005 Steelers Offense rank: 15, Defense rank: 4
2006 Colts Offense rank: 2, Defense rank: 23
2007 Giants Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 7
2008 Steelers Offense rank: 22, Defense Rank: 1
2009 Saints Offense rank: 1, Defense rank: 20
2010 Packers Offense rank: 10, Defense rank: 5
Also, 2010 Steelers SB losers: Offense rank: 14, Defense rank: 2
Thus, having a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense gives a team a title much more frequently than the other way around. The Saints and Colts were far more the abberation.
the saints defense was actually pretty good and the stats dont show that. they scored so often that the defense spent a ton of time on the field.
the colts defense was better than the stats said too. freeney, mathis, bob sanders, antoine bethea, gary brackett etc
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Mostly just through here.
While I live in Tn, I have never met Ghoolie, and have met Rich once, but mostly through the boards and playing fantasy sports together.
Tailgates are interesting...in the end it's all good. We don't stand around pointing fingers at people calling them idiots if that's what you mean. We shake hands, slap backs, and share a few hours together having a good time.
Mostly just through here.
While I live in Tn, I have never met Ghoolie, and have met Rich once, but mostly through the boards and playing fantasy sports together.
Tailgates are interesting...in the end it's all good. We don't stand around pointing fingers at people calling them idiots if that's what you mean. We shake hands, slap backs, and share a few hours together having a good time.
Hope to attend my first browns board tailgate jam next month for rams game. lookin forward to sharing shots of Makers Mark with some of you crazy guys!!!
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I knew either ghoolie or his henchman, rich4eagle, started this thread.
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Defensive and Offensive rankings of recent Super Bowl winners:
2000 Ravens Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 1
2002 Bucs Offense rank: 24, Defense rank: 1
2003 Pats Offense rank: 17, Defense rank: 1
2004 Pats Offense rank: 7, Defense rank: 2
2005 Steelers Offense rank: 15, Defense rank: 4
2006 Colts Offense rank: 2, Defense rank: 23
2007 Giants Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 7
2008 Steelers Offense rank: 22, Defense Rank: 1
2009 Saints Offense rank: 1, Defense rank: 20
2010 Packers Offense rank: 10, Defense rank: 5
Also, 2010 Steelers SB losers: Offense rank: 14, Defense rank: 2
Thus, having a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense gives a team a title much more frequently than the other way around. The Saints and Colts were far more the abberation.
Sp what is your point that having defense that collapses in the Super Bowls wins a tomato
Bottom line the Super Bowl winning team has an average point total of 31..........................and that says defense is not a winner but offense is...............................but keep spewiing useless stats without facts to support the numbers
Sp what is your point that having defense that collapses in the Super Bowls wins a tomato
Bottom line the Super Bowl winning team has an average point total of 31..........................and that says defense is not a winner but offense is...............................but keep spewiing useless stats without facts to support the numbers
No that says without a top defense the 31 pts would look more like 40 or 50+. Defense and special teams add to that total anyway. The Packers had a pick 6 that was the difference in last year's Super Bowl (just like many previous Super Bowls). Having a top defense doesn't mean you allow 0 pts a game. The Gipper is using stats to prove his point. You have yet to refute his claims with any relevant facts..
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not sure on your babbling but only one team won the Bowl on Defense the 2000 Ravens............................but focus on that and be committed to losing to reality.......................OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS
not sure on your babbling but only one team won the Bowl on Defense the 2000 Ravens............................but focus on that and be committed to losing to reality.......................OFFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS
Yawn- wrong again Rich. And I even managed to overlook Tampa Bay's SB that was won on DEFENSE. Short attention span? you're old enough to remember this one, right? The 1985-6 Bears set Super Bowl records for sacks (eight) and fewest rushing yards allowed (seven). Or perhaps you don't realize when your defense gets lots of three and outs, it sets up your offense to score a ton of of points? So much for those "victory margins" in the Super Bowl.
Now don't go getting all hysterical on us when we've been showing you your premise is more full of holes than Swiss Cheese.
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Defensive and Offensive rankings of recent Super Bowl winners:
2000 Ravens Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 1
2002 Bucs Offense rank: 24, Defense rank: 1
2003 Pats Offense rank: 17, Defense rank: 1
2004 Pats Offense rank: 7, Defense rank: 2
2005 Steelers Offense rank: 15, Defense rank: 4
2006 Colts Offense rank: 2, Defense rank: 23
2007 Giants Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 7
2008 Steelers Offense rank: 22, Defense Rank: 1
2009 Saints Offense rank: 1, Defense rank: 20
2010 Packers Offense rank: 10, Defense rank: 5
Also, 2010 Steelers SB losers: Offense rank: 14, Defense rank: 2
Thus, having a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense gives a team a title much more frequently than the other way around. The Saints and Colts were far more the abberation.
Sp what is your point that having defense that collapses in the Super Bowls wins a tomato
Bottom line the Super Bowl winning team has an average point total of 31..........................and that says defense is not a winner but offense is...............................but keep spewiing useless stats without facts to support the numbers
Sp what is your point that having defense that collapses in the Super Bowls wins a tomato
Bottom line the Super Bowl winning team has an average point total of 31..........................and that says defense is not a winner but offense is...............................but keep spewiing useless stats without facts to support the numbers
The facts are right in front of you....its just that they get in the way of your delusion.
And the fact is that more often a team with an outstanding defense and a mediocre offense wins titles than a team with an outstanding offense and a mediocre defense.
(lets also note how many time that point total you cite was significantly augmented by defensive plays: The Bucs brought back two Ints for TDs. The 2008 Steelers win by like a 100 yard return by Harrison, etc. etc. etc.)
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Defensive and Offensive rankings of recent Super Bowl winners:
2000 Ravens Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 1
2002 Bucs Offense rank: 24, Defense rank: 1
2003 Pats Offense rank: 17, Defense rank: 1
2004 Pats Offense rank: 7, Defense rank: 2
2005 Steelers Offense rank: 15, Defense rank: 4
2006 Colts Offense rank: 2, Defense rank: 23
2007 Giants Offense rank: 16, Defense rank: 7
2008 Steelers Offense rank: 22, Defense Rank: 1
2009 Saints Offense rank: 1, Defense rank: 20
2010 Packers Offense rank: 10, Defense rank: 5
Also, 2010 Steelers SB losers: Offense rank: 14, Defense rank: 2
Thus, having a mediocre offense and an outstanding defense gives a team a title much more frequently than the other way around. The Saints and Colts were far more the abberation.
the saints defense was actually pretty good and the stats dont show that. they scored so often that the defense spent a ton of time on the field.
the colts defense was better than the stats said too. freeney, mathis, bob sanders, antoine bethea, gary brackett etc
the saints defense was actually pretty good and the stats dont show that. they scored so often that the defense spent a ton of time on the field.
the colts defense was better than the stats said too. freeney, mathis, bob sanders, antoine bethea, gary brackett etc
Yes, these stat rankings don't account for turnover ratio which was very important for the Saints.
And Indy's defense stepped it up in the playoffs, but they weren't all that during the season.
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We drafted O'Hara cut him to draft Faine Rich4nothin
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Come on, now, old buddy Rich - the Browns never drafted O'Hara. El Wrongo again and again.
O'Hara was a good solid guy, but.... that's about the extent of the Browns drafting an offensive line.
They signed him as a FA.
That means he was overlooked in the draft, Rich. That means he was undrafted.
And that was the crux of the Browns' problems. They didn't value the oline,
and rarely drafted offensive linemen to build their offense.
They just spend their high draft picks on flashy prima donna's, and qb who got the (*^(*% beaten out of him.
And they rarely could ever gain a yard for a first down.
Cam Newton went to Carolina, where he enjoys a talented, completely Carolina drafted oline.
Rapistbooger went to a complete offense with a complete offensive line, and a top five defense.
The Jags and stupid stinkin ratbirds last night? Two highly drafted qbs'. You'd never know it by how they played.
Bad. Really, really, really pitiful. I'll gladly keep Colt over them and several others in the league.
Btw, Rich - go look up how your squeelers and ratbirds have drafted offensive linemen over the years.
Then look at how the Browns didn't do it, but rarely.
That's the story. It will be a different story when the Browns draft a RT early on, and an OG, or sign one.... next spring.
Meanwhile, when did it become "cool" to start a dumb ghoolie type thread?
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I dont know what you league you have been watching but what team won the Super Bowl with OL making tds and or the defense kiilling offense
right now average score for winning team is 31 points ....................s.o much for the defense wins stupidity
and OH yeah NO ! greatest pick ever Joe Thomas never played in a playoff game so much for dime a dozen OL guys]
and BTW the Big Ben with NO OL has been in three super bowls and won two
smoke that up your crack pipe
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Obviously since you ignored my point you agreed with it. There have been several teams with mediocre offenses and great defenses that have won the title. There are no ifs and or buts about it and if you disagree you are fricking nuts.
And yea, Big Ben with a questionable offensive line at times has won a couple and been to another SB. My point exactly. Mediocre offense....outf**kingstanding defense.
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Obviously since you ignored my point you agreed with it. There have been several teams with mediocre offenses and great defenses that have won the title. There are no ifs and or buts about it and if you disagree you are fricking nuts.
And yea, Big Ben with a questionable offensive line at times has won a couple and been to another SB. My point exactly. Mediocre offense....outf**kingstanding defense.
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Oh, I have not ignored your previous. I have not taken the time to answer how you turn a defunct offensive team to a juggernaut in mid season, which really says you question has no answer starting in November 2011 but does starting next year..
Meanwhile, I will restate again what all of you geniuses who think defense wins championships NEVER answer
If defense wins Championships why is the average score of the winning team in the Super Bowl 31 points, because the loser sucked on defense or the winner had a really good offense..
Go ahead make up answer that defeats the FACT
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Obviously since you ignored my point you agreed with it. There have been several teams with mediocre offenses and great defenses that have won the title. There are no ifs and or buts about it and if you disagree you are fricking nuts.
And yea, Big Ben with a questionable offensive line at times has won a couple and been to another SB. My point exactly. Mediocre offense....outf**kingstanding defense.
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Oh, I have not ignored your previous. I have not taken the time to answer how you turn a defunct offensive team to a juggernaut in mid season, which really says you question has no answer starting in November 2011 but does starting next year..
Meanwhile, I will restate again what all of you geniuses who think defense wins championships NEVER answer
If defense wins Championships why is the average score of the winning team in the Super Bowl 31 points, because the loser sucked on defense or the winner had a really good offense..
Go ahead make up answer that defeats the FACT
If defense wins Championships why is the average score of the winning team in the Super Bowl 31 points, because the loser sucked on defense or the winner had a really good offense..
Go ahead make up answer that defeats the FACT
Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
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If defense wins Championships why is the average score of the winning team in the Super Bowl 31 points, because the loser sucked on defense or the winner had a really good offense..
Go ahead make up answer that defeats the FACT
Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
Winner. Why haven't the Colts gone back to the Super Bowl? Because Bob Sanders is done and their defense isn't good enough.. Manning is good enough to take his team to the playoffs, but defense wins championships..
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If defense wins Championships why is the average score of the winning team in the Super Bowl 31 points, because the loser sucked on defense or the winner had a really good offense..
Go ahead make up answer that defeats the FACT
Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
NO you did not if defense wins why does offense win Super Bowls..31 points given up is not defense
It is amusing to see us want to cling onto losing despite reality and statistics
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
This thread is so amusing OL is the key despite the losing and defense wins Super Bowls even if the winner scores 31 points on average against those august useless defenses.......................and the beat goes on........................the herd drinking cool aid of losers keeps spouting the dumbmess amd yet Ghoolie and I Correctomundo going a dozen years have been correctomundo all dozen............................but the herd swills the cool aid and never gets it
and maybe that is why Brownstown is where it is .......................LOSERS
meantime losers we spent way more money on OL guys the last twelve years than any other team but we keep losing famously
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
NO you did not if defense wins why does offense win Super Bowls..31 points given up is not defense
It is amusing to see us want to cling onto losing despite reality and statistics
NO you did not if defense wins why does offense win Super Bowls..31 points given up is not defense
It is amusing to see us want to cling onto losing despite reality and statistics
WTF is it about the statistics you were given that you don't understand? Why have the SB winners averaged 31 ppg as you say (I will take your word for that stat)?
Yea, maybe because the winner had a good offense and the loser a lousy defense. I never claimed that a championship team didn't need a good to great offense. I think they do. But the fact is....more often than not, the team with the superior defense is the team that wins. That is what the stats showed. I am not married to those stats....its just that those are the facts and nothing I made up. You cannot ignore them.
(Also...by the way, how do we know that the prime consideration for these great Super Bowl winning offenses you profess is the fact that they had great offensive lines? Take the two aberrations: Colts/Saints. Great skill players on offense? yes. But also outstanding O Lines)
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NO you did not if defense wins why does offense win Super Bowls..31 points given up is not defense
It is amusing to see us want to cling onto losing despite reality and statistics
WTF is it about the statistics you were given that you don't understand? Why have the SB winners averaged 31 ppg as you say (I will take your word for that stat)?
Yea, maybe because the winner had a good offense and the loser a lousy defense. I never claimed that a championship team didn't need a good to great offense. I think they do. But the fact is....more often than not, the team with the superior defense is the team that wins. That is what the stats showed. I am not married to those stats....its just that those are the facts and nothing I made up. You cannot ignore them.
(Also...by the way, how do we know that the prime consideration for these great Super Bowl winning offenses you profess is the fact that they had great offensive lines? Take the two aberrations: Colts/Saints. Great skill players on offense? yes. But also outstanding O Lines)
WTF is it about the statistics you were given that you don't understand? Why have the SB winners averaged 31 ppg as you say (I will take your word for that stat)?
Yea, maybe because the winner had a good offense and the loser a lousy defense. I never claimed that a championship team didn't need a good to great offense. I think they do. But the fact is....more often than not, the team with the superior defense is the team that wins. That is what the stats showed. I am not married to those stats....its just that those are the facts and nothing I made up. You cannot ignore them.
(Also...by the way, how do we know that the prime consideration for these great Super Bowl winning offenses you profess is the fact that they had great offensive lines? Take the two aberrations: Colts/Saints. Great skill players on offense? yes. But also outstanding O Lines)
Read your post............................you admit maybe the Offense was good.......................but question the FACT the winner of the bowl averaged 31 points.........................NOT HARD TO VERIFY.....................and then go onto to idiocy saying maybe the loser had a bad D..........................
DAH, Winners have a great D as prospered by you and the cool aid drinkers .......................but in the Bowl the D goes to shiet
Blow gas your way out of those two facts the Winners score 31 on average and the loser got their with great D
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Rich, we already answered that one for you. Teams with great defenses force a lot of three and outs, giving their respective offenses more chances to score, as well as superior field position. Count in special teams scores, turnovers- stuff like that.
I'll leave it up to Gipper to look it up, as I don't have the time to- but I'd be willing to bet the losing Super Bowl team- with very few exceptions- defense had the inferior stats, both in the game and for the season.
BTW, the Colts won their Super Bowl because of their defense and Bob Sanders, not Peyton Manning who had a very pedestrian game.
You think the Bears won their Super Bowl because of Jim McMahon? The Redskins won theirs with Doug Williams because the Donkeys had perhaps the worst defense ever to play in a Super Bowl, resulting in a mega blowout.
NO you did not if defense wins why does offense win Super Bowls..31 points given up is not defense
It is amusing to see us want to cling onto losing despite reality and statistics
NO you did not if defense wins why does offense win Super Bowls..31 points given up is not defense
It is amusing to see us want to cling onto losing despite reality and statistics
Here's the most amazing stat of all Rich.
The team that scores the most points wins!!! 100% of the time!!!
You're using a ONE GAME (too small a sample size) to feebly attempt to prove your point. Using your flawed logic I could just as easily say the Saints ( who just racked up 62 points against the Colts) are the greatest offensive juggernaut in the last 15 years. Gipper's numbers clearly showed it's easier to get to (and win) the Super Bowl with a great defense and so-so offense. Yeah, 95 percent of the time you don't even GET to the Super Bowl without at least a decent, and more often than not- GREAT defense.
I had to look up some SB history too. The average score in the Super Bowl is 30-15. So why is that? Mainly because there's been an inordinate number of blowouts in the game. (I'll count a blowout as a win by more than 10 points- there's been 21 of the 45 SBs that qualify.) And if you bother to look at those blowout games in more detail, the team that got blown out was horribly overmatched from the get-go, or happened to have an atypical horrible game. See above- you think if the Colts played the Saints again, they'd have another 62 points racked up on them? Don't think so.
I for one am done arguing the point with you. There's still people who believe the government is hiding an alien spaceship in Roswell.
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rich4eagle is nothing more than a Fing follower. he has no clue what to do with his life if he doesn't have someone telling him what to do, where to go, who to suck off......
you are an embarrassment to any person that has a spine.
does your grandmother hear you in the basement when you cry?
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