You be the GM. Who do you draft with the #5 pick for the Browns?
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the shelf life of a RB is far too short to justify using a top-10 pick on one. RBs play until they're 30, while guys at pretty much every other position can play five years longer than that.
a good LB is definitely worth a top-5 pick. if there's a sure-fire DE, he's likely the best option, but so many DEs flop in the NFL that it's, i think, too risky of a position to draft that high.
you have to play both ends of risk/reward when you're drafting high enough that it necessitates a sizable financial comittment.
and patrick willis is the highest impact player on the niners. dude's an animal, really the only guy they have that opposing OCs need to account for on every play and work to minimize.
Did Patrick Willis turn the 49ers defense into a good or dominant defense? NO, How many stuffs did he have this year or sacks, Willis is a good player but not dominant, not a game changer.
So you would rather have a good player who you hope will play 10 years rather than a player who could be a Superstar because he plays running back because is shelf life is supposed to be only 5 years
I remember people on this board bragging about how Savage took advantage of Ozzie Newsome by trading with him to draft Wimbley because Ngata would only last a few years, now Savage is gone is Wimbley is a complete bust, so much for that theory of Wimbley would still be playing great for 10 years when Ngata would be done in 5, looks like Ngata will be playing while Wimbley is a backup LB or out of football.
This team has to draft a guy with this pick that will start from day 1 and be a star player in his rookie season, if we miss on this pick it will setback this franchise even more
Did Patrick Willis turn the 49ers defense into a good or dominant defense? NO, How many stuffs did he have this year or sacks, Willis is a good player but not dominant, not a game changer.
Okay, this is incredibly sloppy work. Your assumptions are
- The Niners had a good defense before Willis
- They added Patrick Willis, with no other personnel changes
- They should now have a dominant defense
- The year before Willis was drafted, the Niners' defense was ranked 26th in the league. Not good - borderline terrible.
- They've had a lot of personnel move in & out since then - Justin Smith & Nate Clements signed, Bryant Young retired, etc. Their overall talent on D may have increased slightly, but they've also lost some great run defenders. And until recently, the coaching has been terrible.
- The Niners' defense is now ranked 13th in the league. They've made a significant jump, at least in part due to Willis's dominant play.
So I don't buy your argument.
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the shelf life of a RB is far too short to justify using a top-10 pick on one. RBs play until they're 30, while guys at pretty much every other position can play five years longer than that.
a good LB is definitely worth a top-5 pick. if there's a sure-fire DE, he's likely the best option, but so many DEs flop in the NFL that it's, i think, too risky of a position to draft that high.
you have to play both ends of risk/reward when you're drafting high enough that it necessitates a sizable financial comittment.
and patrick willis is the highest impact player on the niners. dude's an animal, really the only guy they have that opposing OCs need to account for on every play and work to minimize.
Did Patrick Willis turn the 49ers defense into a good or dominant defense? NO, How many stuffs did he have this year or sacks, Willis is a good player but not dominant, not a game changer.
So you would rather have a good player who you hope will play 10 years rather than a player who could be a Superstar because he plays running back because is shelf life is supposed to be only 5 years
I remember people on this board bragging about how Savage took advantage of Ozzie Newsome by trading with him to draft Wimbley because Ngata would only last a few years, now Savage is gone is Wimbley is a complete bust, so much for that theory of Wimbley would still be playing great for 10 years when Ngata would be done in 5, looks like Ngata will be playing while Wimbley is a backup LB or out of football.
This team has to draft a guy with this pick that will start from day 1 and be a star player in his rookie season, if we miss on this pick it will setback this franchise even more
Did Patrick Willis turn the 49ers defense into a good or dominant defense? NO, How many stuffs did he have this year or sacks, Willis is a good player but not dominant, not a game changer.
So you would rather have a good player who you hope will play 10 years rather than a player who could be a Superstar because he plays running back because is shelf life is supposed to be only 5 years
willis' impact doesn't show up in obvious ways because he doesn't play a obvious, glory-type position. he's not a DE/OLB or CB, so his impact isn't measured in INTs or sacks. his number this year were 141 tackles, one INT, one fumble forced and 7 stuffs.
and i'd rather have someone who's a good player and can be good for 10 years than someone whose potential is questionable and has a short shelf life. there's more than one reason that i want curry over wells.
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we could always trade DA to KC or Detroit for a first round pick
The Lions are probably trying to avoid another 0-16 so I doubt the give up a first round pick for him. I don't see DA getting anything more then a 3rd round pick if your lucky.
I notice all you guys are trying to determine DA's trade/FA value so you are comparing him to other QBs who will be free agents this offseason. Make sure you add Bryon Leftwhich to that discussion. As a Steelers fan I would love for him to dedicate himself to the Steelers as a life long back-up but I know that won't happen. He is pretty servicable and could do well on quite a few teams.
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Aaron Curry.
And I'd take Jenkins over Maualuga - I wouldn't be comfortable giving Maualuga top 5 money; he's the kind of guy you need to keep motivated, which may not happen if he's already got so much money that earning a second contract won't be important to him.
If he goes top 5, I think there's a greater chance that he'll be a bust/underachiever.
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I don't think anybody expected the Browns to be picking 5th this year in the draft (raises hand) but now that the season is over, we have to look at the positives...which is now getting a very good player that can help the team right away (hopefully).
So, if you were the GM of the Browns today, who would you pick in the 1st Rd.
For the 5th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select.................?
Here are some of the prospects that SHOULD be available by the 5th pick in the 1st round.
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
I think we can safely say that QB, WR, TE will not be chosen in the 1st Round (eventhough Crabtree is unbelievable).
So, who do you pick?
Poll results from the old forum
Brown's Draft Posibilities
- Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech: 0 votes
- Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC: 19 votes
- Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas: 5 votes
- Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss: 5 votes
- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State: 5 votes
- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: 10 votes
- James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State: 4 votes
- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest: 23 votes
- Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State: 3 votes
I don't think anybody expected the Browns to be picking 5th this year in the draft (raises hand) but now that the season is over, we have to look at the positives...which is now getting a very good player that can help the team right away (hopefully).
So, if you were the GM of the Browns today, who would you pick in the 1st Rd.
For the 5th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select.................?
Here are some of the prospects that SHOULD be available by the 5th pick in the 1st round.
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
I think we can safely say that QB, WR, TE will not be chosen in the 1st Round (eventhough Crabtree is unbelievable).
So, who do you pick?
Duh, let's see, the Browns don't have a deep threat, Duh, Aye Don't Know..............
Crabtree. He is a play maker, we don't have a SINGLE playmaker.
WInslow and Edwards need to be gone.
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I said Curry, because Al has me watching those damn clips every other day.
But as usual, I'm pussing out by disclaiming like a mofo but I have to keep saying it:
Give me the biggest bang for the buck, regardless of position. Whoever we think WILL START is the guy we should draft, PERIOD.
Top 10 picks MUST BE starters, from Day One.
So, based on history, LBs translate best to the pros. If you know where to be, get there fast and hit hard, you will play immediately. To me, Curry looks like the SAFEST pick at what happens to be a major need for us.
But, again, that being said, you MUST take the sure thing at #5. If Crabtree is that good, you take him.
You just better be damn sure he's that good if you are going to skip a guy like Curry for him or you risk becoming the next Detroit.
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i noticed a lot of votes for Curry, why? he plays like Wimbly to dumb to be taught anything new.
i would pick Laurinaitis, Matthews, or Maualuga before I would even look at Curry.
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I don't think anybody expected the Browns to be picking 5th this year in the draft (raises hand) but now that the season is over, we have to look at the positives...which is now getting a very good player that can help the team right away (hopefully).
So, if you were the GM of the Browns today, who would you pick in the 1st Rd.
For the 5th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select.................?
Here are some of the prospects that SHOULD be available by the 5th pick in the 1st round.
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
I think we can safely say that QB, WR, TE will not be chosen in the 1st Round (eventhough Crabtree is unbelievable).
So, who do you pick?
Poll results from the old forum
Brown's Draft Posibilities
- Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech: 0 votes
- Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC: 19 votes
- Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas: 5 votes
- Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss: 5 votes
- Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State: 5 votes
- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: 10 votes
- James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State: 4 votes
- Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest: 23 votes
- Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State: 3 votes
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
So, who do you pick?[/font]
Well I crossed off the ones above.... I am telling you, drop down a few slots, take Curry or Mauluga. Then get Shon Greene or Javon Ringer in the 2nd Round if you really, really want a RB. I would take the other kid from Vandy as a CB as well. There is NO WAY IN HELL we take Laurinitis that high.... Jenkins is intriguing, but no thanks to a CB at #5.
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Malcolm Jenkins.
We desperately need a pro level CB.
(Well...we need desperately more than a CB but it would be a good start)
All the way from Torino to Cleveland: GO BROWNS!!!!!!! -
the shelf life of a RB is far too short to justify using a top-10 pick on one. RBs play until they're 30, while guys at pretty much every other position can play five years longer than that.
a good LB is definitely worth a top-5 pick. if there's a sure-fire DE, he's likely the best option, but so many DEs flop in the NFL that it's, i think, too risky of a position to draft that high.
you have to play both ends of risk/reward when you're drafting high enough that it necessitates a sizable financial comittment.
and patrick willis is the highest impact player on the niners. dude's an animal, really the only guy they have that opposing OCs need to account for on every play and work to minimize.
the shelf life of a RB is far too short to justify using a top-10 pick on one. RBs play until they're 30, while guys at pretty much every other position can play five years longer than that.
a good LB is definitely worth a top-5 pick. if there's a sure-fire DE, he's likely the best option, but so many DEs flop in the NFL that it's, i think, too risky of a position to draft that high.
you have to play both ends of risk/reward when you're drafting high enough that it necessitates a sizable financial comittment.
and patrick willis is the highest impact player on the niners. dude's an animal, really the only guy they have that opposing OCs need to account for on every play and work to minimize.
split carries
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Curry.
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the 5th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Taylor Mays S USC or Brian Orakpo DE/LB Texas
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Our offense was a mess...but I think we have most of the players we need to make it work...we just need them coached up.
On the defensive side, we DON'T have the players. So I say we need to go defense.
Looking at the players, I think we are solid in the secondary...not spectacular, but solid. They gave up a lot of big plays...but I think that is due more to the fact there was no pass rush...and the OUTSIDE run was killing us.
I think we need two positions. DE and ILB (OLB will be fixed I think with real 3-4 DE's).
The players I keep coming back to are:
Michael Johnson, DE - he will give us our FIRST REAL DE...all the guys we have are more DT size and too slow.
Rey Maualuga, ILB - he worries me. he is not great in coverage and over-pursues. great hitter, but to what expense?
Brian Orakpo, OLB - again, we have Wimbley and Hall and I think fixing the DE position will fix this by keeping the OT's off of our OLB's
James Laurinaitis, OLB/ILB - He is a nice player...but 5th is too high for him
Aaron Curry, OLB - he is listed as an OLB, but several scouts have mentioned he has the ability to play ANY of the LB positions...in EITHER the 3-4 or 4-3
I think the fact that Curry also brings the wood, and is versatile enough to fill in at any position in EITHER defensive base, makes him the logical choice. It allows us to take our time with some of our other players (Bell, Hall) to find out if they pan out before ditching them.
Maualuga basically ends the Beau Bell era before it starts. Orakpo displaces either Hall or Wimbley.
The only other player I may take up that high is Johnson at DE....he is a force and a DE that can play in either front as well.
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I will be willing to make a choice around April 15..........unless soemthing vastly more clear occurs before then. But this team is vastly short on offensive skill players so that is where i would look first especially at Running Back
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Our offense was a mess...but I think we have most of the players we need to make it work...we just need them coached up.
On the defensive side, we DON'T have the players. So I say we need to go defense.
Looking at the players, I think we are solid in the secondary...not spectacular, but solid. They gave up a lot of big plays...but I think that is due more to the fact there was no pass rush...and the OUTSIDE run was killing us.
I think we need two positions. DE and ILB (OLB will be fixed I think with real 3-4 DE's).
The players I keep coming back to are:
Michael Johnson, DE - he will give us our FIRST REAL DE...all the guys we have are more DT size and too slow.
Rey Maualuga, ILB - he worries me. he is not great in coverage and over-pursues. great hitter, but to what expense?
Brian Orakpo, OLB - again, we have Wimbley and Hall and I think fixing the DE position will fix this by keeping the OT's off of our OLB's
James Laurinaitis, OLB/ILB - He is a nice player...but 5th is too high for him
Aaron Curry, OLB - he is listed as an OLB, but several scouts have mentioned he has the ability to play ANY of the LB positions...in EITHER the 3-4 or 4-3
I think the fact that Curry also brings the wood, and is versatile enough to fill in at any position in EITHER defensive base, makes him the logical choice. It allows us to take our time with some of our other players (Bell, Hall) to find out if they pan out before ditching them.
Maualuga basically ends the Beau Bell era before it starts. Orakpo displaces either Hall or Wimbley.
The only other player I may take up that high is Johnson at DE....he is a force and a DE that can play in either front as well.
Our offense was a mess...but I think we have most of the players we need to make it work...we just need them coached up.
On the defensive side, we DON'T have the players. So I say we need to go defense.
Looking at the players, I think we are solid in the secondary...not spectacular, but solid. They gave up a lot of big plays...but I think that is due more to the fact there was no pass rush...and the OUTSIDE run was killing us.
I think we need two positions. DE and ILB (OLB will be fixed I think with real 3-4 DE's).
The players I keep coming back to are:
Michael Johnson, DE - he will give us our FIRST REAL DE...all the guys we have are more DT size and too slow.
Rey Maualuga, ILB - he worries me. he is not great in coverage and over-pursues. great hitter, but to what expense?
Brian Orakpo, OLB - again, we have Wimbley and Hall and I think fixing the DE position will fix this by keeping the OT's off of our OLB's
James Laurinaitis, OLB/ILB - He is a nice player...but 5th is too high for him
Aaron Curry, OLB - he is listed as an OLB, but several scouts have mentioned he has the ability to play ANY of the LB positions...in EITHER the 3-4 or 4-3
I think the fact that Curry also brings the wood, and is versatile enough to fill in at any position in EITHER defensive base, makes him the logical choice. It allows us to take our time with some of our other players (Bell, Hall) to find out if they pan out before ditching them.
Maualuga basically ends the Beau Bell era before it starts. Orakpo displaces either Hall or Wimbley.
The only other player I may take up that high is Johnson at DE....he is a force and a DE that can play in either front as well.
Good stuff John.
No interest in Beans?
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Our offense was a mess...but I think we have most of the players we need to make it work...we just need them coached up.
On the defensive side, we DON'T have the players. So I say we need to go defense.
Looking at the players, I think we are solid in the secondary...not spectacular, but solid. They gave up a lot of big plays...but I think that is due more to the fact there was no pass rush...and the OUTSIDE run was killing us.
I think we need two positions. DE and ILB (OLB will be fixed I think with real 3-4 DE's).
The players I keep coming back to are:
Michael Johnson, DE - he will give us our FIRST REAL DE...all the guys we have are more DT size and too slow.
Rey Maualuga, ILB - he worries me. he is not great in coverage and over-pursues. great hitter, but to what expense?
Brian Orakpo, OLB - again, we have Wimbley and Hall and I think fixing the DE position will fix this by keeping the OT's off of our OLB's
James Laurinaitis, OLB/ILB - He is a nice player...but 5th is too high for him
Aaron Curry, OLB - he is listed as an OLB, but several scouts have mentioned he has the ability to play ANY of the LB positions...in EITHER the 3-4 or 4-3
I think the fact that Curry also brings the wood, and is versatile enough to fill in at any position in EITHER defensive base, makes him the logical choice. It allows us to take our time with some of our other players (Bell, Hall) to find out if they pan out before ditching them.
Maualuga basically ends the Beau Bell era before it starts. Orakpo displaces either Hall or Wimbley.
The only other player I may take up that high is Johnson at DE....he is a force and a DE that can play in either front as well.
Good stuff John.
No interest in Beans?
Good stuff John.
No interest in Beans?
I am not a big fan of the BIG running back. I like the guys that are around 6' and 215. If you look at all the STUD RB's in the league....guys around that size are pretty dominant. It is pretty rare for the BIG guys to be at the top for long as they tend to take more of a beating. So, to me, Beans would be a 5yr rental at best before he starts losing it.
I say we go for a guy with speed and moves a bit later (Myron Lucky?) who can catch the ball out of the backfield as well. I would also like to see the Browns move Cribbs to the RB position (he was projected as a RB by many talent evaluators when he came out).
Imagine a backfield of Quinn at QB, Cribbs at RB, with Harrison at the slot. How do you defend that? Even if you give the ball to Cribbs....it still is a legit passing option.
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I'm expecting the new GM to be active in free agency and trades.
So the depth chart might be a bit different in April than today.
We might have solved a few priority issues before the draft.
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