Colt Mccoy And The O-Line Myth
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Larry, this team has huge offensive issues, all about no playmakers, not about the dime a dozen oline, but most blame the qb, so we will move o stupid again, until mgt understands the ol is a dime a dozen, and starts providing playmakers no oline will be performing well. Skilled stars make blocking easy, slugs at skill positions make blocking impossible and it is indeed as simple as that
Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
Philadelphia's offense is doing quite well actually. It's their defense that is complete garbage.
Colt McCoy doesn't seem to be very good at reading blitzes, anticipating pressure or making hot reads. If there are 6 guys coming on the blitz and we only have 5 guys blocking its not the OL fault when he gets hit. He has to learn to get rid of the ball and make the defense pay for blitzing.
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So you want him to throw ints, and out of bounds every play.
Got it.
Baloney.
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So you want him to throw ints, and out of bounds every play.
Got it.
Baloney.
You obviously don't know much about football plays, or have never even played Madden. When the defense brings 6 guys and you send out 5, that usually means everyone will be covered 1 on 1 with no additional help. It the QBs job to exploit that situation and get rid of the ball quickly before the free blitzing defender can get to him. This puts pressure on the defense. When the defense blitzes a good QB makes them pay.
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Well, Philadelphia has a plethora of playmakers on their offense: Vick, Shady McCoy, Maclin, DeShawn Jackson, yet, they have the same record as the Browns. Their OL is bad.
What you have to have is both: good playmakers, good linemen. One can't work without the other.
And quite frankly, the Browns need improvement in both areas.
Philadelphia's offense is doing quite well actually. It's their defense that is complete garbage.
Colt McCoy doesn't seem to be very good at reading blitzes, anticipating pressure or making hot reads. If there are 6 guys coming on the blitz and we only have 5 guys blocking its not the OL fault when he gets hit. He has to learn to get rid of the ball and make the defense pay for blitzing.
Philadelphia's offense is doing quite well actually. It's their defense that is complete garbage.
Colt McCoy doesn't seem to be very good at reading blitzes, anticipating pressure or making hot reads. If there are 6 guys coming on the blitz and we only have 5 guys blocking its not the OL fault when he gets hit. He has to learn to get rid of the ball and make the defense pay for blitzing.
Well, as I understand it, in Shurmur's offense there is no such thing as a "Hot Receiver"....so there are no "hot reads" for McCoy to make.
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You obviously don't understand football, either, then....
because my point was, that to make the defense pay, you
MUST have an outlet. The only wr the Browns have, who can
do that quickly, is Little. And he gets double coverage on passing downs
often. But not even Little can get open 1.5 seconds after the ball is snapped.
The Browns don't have a blazing downfield threat that can get open before Colt gets
slammed into the turf, or has to take off to avoid the rush.
Perhaps you missed the play last week - the blitz was on, and Colt
had to throw way early... and he threw downfield in a high arc, at the sideline,
where Little made a fantastic catch.
You just don't expect to make that work every down. On all sorts of plays, Colt doesn't have THAT much time.
Who the hell does Colt throw to when he can't even take two steps before getting slammed into,
and nobody is open?
Come on, man. Colt isn't perfect at all, but seriously? You don't see the right side of the oline collapsing on the snap of the ball?
I have seen defensive LINEMEN cover some of Colts targets.
The right side of the oline is so weak, you can't even run a lot of plays. The defenses know that. They also know that Little is Colt's only legit threat.
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Another thing, when the squeeeelers play... you ever see butt rothlicksbooger get sacked? Take off running?
Of course you do. "Gosh, why didn't he just make them pay for the blitz by quickly throwing the ball?" you ask?
Because nobody was available. Nobody was open. The rush came too fast, and his oline is strong, but not invincible.
It just doesn't happen to butt R very often.
It happens to Colt most of the time. The squeelers drafted the guy I wanted for the Browns... Gilbert, RT, in the second round.
The squeelers have bookend tackles and a #1 draft pick at center. butt R has more time and faster, far more elusive receivers...
(with Little being the exception). That RT problem has been ruining a lot of the Browns' chances on offense, running and passing. You watch them fix that problem next spring.
This stupid stuff about dissing olinemen as being "dime a dozen"... then why the hell have the squeelers spent any draft picks at all on them?
Why didn't the squeeeelers just sign their entire offensive line from some little college somewhere as FA's ?
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all of the above plus
4. Lack of strength at WR
I know otheres have brought this topic up, but without a good core of WR's the def can blitz more often and get away with 1 on 1 coverage.
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So you want him to throw ints, and out of bounds every play.
Got it.
Baloney.
You obviously don't know much about football plays, or have never even played Madden. When the defense brings 6 guys and you send out 5, that usually means everyone will be covered 1 on 1 with no additional help. It the QBs job to exploit that situation and get rid of the ball quickly before the free blitzing defender can get to him. This puts pressure on the defense. When the defense blitzes a good QB makes them pay.
or have never even played Madden.
:lol: :lol: just like playing 'tour of duty' will make you an ass kickin soldier. GTFO!
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or have never even played Madden.
:lol: :lol: just like playing 'tour of duty' will make you an ass kickin soldier. GTFO!
:lol: :lol: just like playing 'tour of duty' will make you an ass kickin soldier. GTFO!
You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty. NFL players do play Madden, and some have even said that it helps them recognize coverage and make reads. I bet you don't know the difference between a cover 2 and a cover 4. What's the strong safety's first move in a cover 2? What's a zone dog? How do you recognize if a defense is playing man under or zone? Whats the best way to attack a cover 3? Guess where I learned those things? Yes playing Madden.
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Web translation:
"Looka me ! Looka me ! I'm a race car driver because I won a race on my XBox ! YAY ! "
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:lol: :lol:
just like playing 'tour of duty' will make you an ass kickin soldier. GTFO!
You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty. NFL players do play Madden, and some have even said that it helps them recognize coverage and make reads. I bet you don't know the difference between a cover 2 and a cover 4. What's the strong safety's first move in a cover 2? What's a zone dog? How do you recognize if a defense is playing man under or zone? Whats the best way to attack a cover 3? Guess where I learned those things? Yes playing Madden.
You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty. NFL players do play Madden, and some have even said that it helps them recognize coverage and make reads. I bet you don't know the difference between a cover 2 and a cover 4. What's the strong safety's first move in a cover 2? What's a zone dog? How do you recognize if a defense is playing man under or zone? Whats the best way to attack a cover 3? Guess where I learned those things? Yes playing Madden.
Reading defenses is predicated on what the Free Safety does and where he cheats pre snap...Just ask Bernie Kosar
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:lol: :lol:
just like playing 'tour of duty' will make you an ass kickin soldier. GTFO!
You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty. NFL players do play Madden, and some have even said that it helps them recognize coverage and make reads. I bet you don't know the difference between a cover 2 and a cover 4. What's the strong safety's first move in a cover 2? What's a zone dog? How do you recognize if a defense is playing man under or zone? Whats the best way to attack a cover 3? Guess where I learned those things? Yes playing Madden.
You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty.
just proved my point kid.
who's the idiot? you spend $60 for a video game, play it for a month or two, sit in your mom's basement smoking weed at 40 years old.
at least i know how to waste money. a bottle of cuervo, some fine ladies and some loud prog rock (maybe some camel or some hawkwind) and a football game on the widescreen. now that's the way to go there buddy boy.
talk to me when you're done weening off of teet milk.
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You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty. NFL players do play Madden, and some have even said that it helps them recognize coverage and make reads. I bet you don't know the difference between a cover 2 and a cover 4. What's the strong safety's first move in a cover 2? What's a zone dog? How do you recognize if a defense is playing man under or zone? Whats the best way to attack a cover 3? Guess where I learned those things? Yes playing Madden.
Reading defenses is predicated on what the Free Safety does and where he cheats pre snap...Just ask Bernie Kosar
Reading defenses is predicated on what the Free Safety does and where he cheats pre snap...Just ask Bernie Kosar
Both safeties line up on or near the hashes and their 1st step is backwards in a cover 2. And if your making a basic 3-step drop read you're most likely going to be reading a linebacker or SS. Reading the free safety is usually only important if you plan on throwing deep.
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You're an idiot. And the game is called Call of Duty.
just proved my point kid.
who's the idiot? you spend $60 for a video game, play it for a month or two, sit in your mom's basement smoking weed at 40 years old.
at least i know how to waste money. a bottle of cuervo, some fine ladies and some loud prog rock (maybe some camel or some hawkwind) and a football game on the widescreen. now that's the way to go there buddy boy.
talk to me when you're done weening off of teet milk.
just proved my point kid.
who's the idiot? you spend $60 for a video game, play it for a month or two, sit in your mom's basement smoking weed at 40 years old.
at least i know how to waste money. a bottle of cuervo, some fine ladies and some loud prog rock (maybe some camel or some hawkwind) and a football game on the widescreen. now that's the way to go there buddy boy.
talk to me when you're done weening off of teet milk.
Actually I'm in my 20's and I still play football instead of just watching it on TV like you. FYI I don't even play Madden anymore, no time for it. I did play it everyday while in college though. At least we can agree on the prog rock. Good stuff.
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Reading defenses is predicated on what the Free Safety does and where he cheats pre snap...Just ask Bernie Kosar
Both safeties line up on or near the hashes and their 1st step is backwards in a cover 2. And if your making a basic 3-step drop read you're most likely going to be reading a linebacker or SS. Reading the free safety is usually only important if you plan on throwing deep.
Both safeties line up on or near the hashes and their 1st step is backwards in a cover 2. And if your making a basic 3-step drop read you're most likely going to be reading a linebacker or SS. Reading the free safety is usually only important if you plan on throwing deep.
Uh no,you couldnt be more wrong..where the FS shifts in most cases predetermines what defense is gonna be run along with the def alignment. You almost always read the FS first. This isnt xxxxing Madden dude.
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just proved my point kid.
who's the idiot? you spend $60 for a video game, play it for a month or two, sit in your mom's basement smoking weed at 40 years old.
at least i know how to waste money. a bottle of cuervo, some fine ladies and some loud prog rock (maybe some camel or some hawkwind) and a football game on the widescreen. now that's the way to go there buddy boy.
talk to me when you're done weening off of teet milk.
Actually I'm in my 20's and I still play football instead of just watching it on TV like you. FYI I don't even play Madden anymore, no time for it. I did play it everyday while in college though. At least we can agree on the prog rock. Good stuff.
Actually I'm in my 20's and I still play football instead of just watching it on TV like you.
yeah, i'm too old for that crap. i think if someone hit me coming free off the line i might explode into a bag of dust.
20's. i think i'd give my left nut to be in my 20's again. those were the days.
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Both safeties line up on or near the hashes and their 1st step is backwards in a cover 2. And if your making a basic 3-step drop read you're most likely going to be reading a linebacker or SS. Reading the free safety is usually only important if you plan on throwing deep.
Uh no,you couldnt be more wrong..where the FS shifts in most cases predetermines what defense is gonna be run along with the def alignment. You almost always read the FS first. This isnt xxxxing Madden dude.
Uh no,you couldnt be more wrong..where the FS shifts in most cases predetermines what defense is gonna be run along with the def alignment. You almost always read the FS first. This isnt xxxxing Madden dude.
Actually I'm right. I don't think you ever played or analyzed football. The free safety is playing a deep zone in most coverages with the exception of cover 0. Do you even know what a cover 0 is?
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You are right that you have to look at the safeties first but that only tells you so much, such as whether its a cover 2 or 3. I'm talking about making the read on where to go with the ball quickly.
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I made it clear last year we had no offensive weapons and Hilis was a half season fluke. I emphasized the lack of field stretchers and playmakers at the receiving position, further I made it clear we needed to get either Green or Jones whichever was standing when picked. Instead we stupidly traded down instead of taking Jones and took another fat slob lineman. It seems no matter whom is running this team we keep making the same dumb mistakes. BTW, Peterson would be as effective on this team as he is at Minnesota because they have zippo offensively even less than us, except for that stud, whom we also passed on for a lineman to get us nowhere
You can't hate on the Atlanta trade until we see who the Browns draft next year with Atlanta's 1st and 4th rounders..
And you don't think Peterson has been effective this year? 800 yards rushing (out of Minnesota's 1200 total) and 9 TD's seems a lot better than the Browns 600 yards and 2 TD's. If Minnesota had zippo offensively and was worse on offense than the Browns, why are they ranked 18th in total offense while the Browns are 31st? The Vikings offense has averaged 21.5 pts per game compared to the Browns 14.9. More proof you have no idea what you are talking about.
You can't hate on the Atlanta trade until we see who the Browns draft next year with Atlanta's 1st and 4th rounders..
And you don't think Peterson has been effective this year? 800 yards rushing (out of Minnesota's 1200 total) and 9 TD's seems a lot better than the Browns 600 yards and 2 TD's. If Minnesota had zippo offensively and was worse on offense than the Browns, why are they ranked 18th in total offense while the Browns are 31st? The Vikings offense has averaged 21.5 pts per game compared to the Browns 14.9. More proof you have no idea what you are talking about.
The future is now, losers say wait till next year
And you misterpreted what I said about Peterson, I said as bad as Minny is and as good as he is doing is indicative of how great he is and that he would be way better on a team with a complete offense
for the cover two cover three and cover 0 guys, like these defenses are something invented recently they been around as long as football..................back in the day the cover 2 was called the deep zone when people could actually spell deep and understood what zone coverage meant. The alternative is man to man. Everything else is a variation of each of these or combination of the two concepts. That includes covers 0,1,2,3,4,5 and duck and cover!
btw, ben got sacked 5 times sunday and the steelers won 24-17 so much for "dime a dozen OL guys"
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