Colts Days As A Starter Should Be Over.
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So you liked Seneca dropping back 15 yards to throw the ball at Hillis's feet? Or that Seneca attempts 5 yard out routes to the receivers on every other play? Let's face it, he is really no better than McCoy and has no upside. McCoy can at least improve. I'm not totally against drafting a QB but saying Wallace is better than McCoy is comical..
that "ball at Hillis' feet" was because Seneca was throwing it away--that screen was doomed regardless and it was actually a smart, heads-up play by Seneca.
the "5 yard out routes" are a staple in the WCO--SW is just executing the plays shrrrmmmrrrr calls. key word there-executing. don't kill the messenger as they say.
^^ imo worst post you've ever made here BBB2. by far.
That's an interesting point. Little did have a great game, but Mccoy deserves another year. We NEVER give quarterbacks chances. Let McCoy have an offseason, learn, develop, practice. He just needs to get used to the speed of the game. Give it time for once.
another year? honestly, what's the point?
Colt's worst issue is his arm >> for an NFL QB that's like a concert pianist who's missing a couple fingers or an elite boxer with a glass chin (!). Colt can only improve as far as his physical attributes (limitations) will allow. this ain't college ball, the room for error in the NFL is too slim for an organization to devote precious time and resources coddling a player with a major handicap.
i agree more time should help him get used to the speed of the game and will definitely get him more accustomed to shrrmmmrrrrs system, thereby (hopefully) helping with his crappy and slow decision-making...but all the time in the world ain't gonna help that college-caliber throwing arm he's sporting.
i wrote the following in another thread but i feel it's fitting here as well.
SW vs CM >>arms
SW throws a tight, accurate short ball. quick release, good timing-he leads his receivers well and places the ball in front of them and/or hits them in stride. Colt throws mostly wobbly balls and too often they are behind his receiver, too high, too low, or late.
SW throws an accurate long ball and can push it down-field without much effort. Seneca's abilities help open up the run. i'd like to defend Colt but let's face it--he rainbows all his long passes and needs a running start to do so. defenses don't respect Colt's long ball and they stack the box.
Colt typically still can't beat the blitz. Seneca's answer to one particular Cards blitz was connecting with Little for 35 yards through the air--which Little then took to the house for a TD. not only did he locate his open receiver among 5 defenders and hit him in perfect stride, but he did it all from a FULL SPRINT with defenders biting his heels...and made it look easy. sure, Colt's good on the run, but not THAT good.
Colt's tough as nails and takes hits like a man. Colt accepts getting sacked like it's par for the course. when faced with pressure Colt appears to panic and typically abandons the pocket and proceeds to scramble for his life, often taking unnecessary sacks. Seneca gets rid of the ball fast, typically makes quick & effective decisions, steps up into the pocket to avoid the rush, and smartly throws it away if nothing is there...and if he takes a sack at all he looks visibly pissed.
that "ball at Hillis' feet" was because Seneca was throwing it away--that screen was doomed regardless and it was actually a smart, heads-up play by Seneca.
the "5 yard out routes" are a staple in the WCO--SW is just executing the plays shrrrmmmrrrr calls. key word there-executing. don't kill the messenger as they say.
^^ imo worst post you've ever made here BBB2. by far.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are missing the point. As I posted earlier, I realize Wallace was throwing the ball away instead of completing a pass to Hillis for a huge loss. While that is a good thing, Wallace dropped so far back he gave away the screen play before it happened. My point is he drops back too far on most plays and spends even less time in the pocket than McCoy does (I realize this is partly due to the offensive line but both QBs give up on plays too early). And while 5 yard out routes are a staple in the WCO Wallace still executed these same plays in every start he made for Mangini last year! That was a different offense and yet Wallace still throws the same damn short out routes. I cringe every time as those are the easiest pick 6s a defense can make. Remember the pick 6 Wallace threw on one of these out routes last year that lost us the game against the Chiefs? Out routes are fine, but Wallace seems afraid to throw the ball over the middle.
In saying all of this, I was merely pointing out that Wallace is no better than McCoy. Since McCoy has the most potential between the two, I would lean towards McCoy as the starting QB (which is what Holmgren has done). I have seen way too many posts over the past few days claiming Wallace played an amazing game on Sunday. We have already lost plenty of games this year while scoring 17 points. Nothing he did was amazing. I swear the favorite player of most Cleveland fans is always the backup QB...
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off-topic post, but i can't start a new post, and i figured the interruption of a back-up QB discussion might be welcomed.
Chargers fan here, but have always rooted for the browns against elway, the steelers, and most other teams (I can't call myself a closet Browns fan, but almost).
for the record, i remember the brian sipe day(nicknamed the cardiac kids i think) and bernie kosar days. you also owned the original "marty ball" - so we've got connections!
i'm not here to start any crap, i come from a tortured franchise, so who am i to talk any smack! speaking of QB's, try this one on: you have 2 consecutive pro bowl QB's (brees and rivers) and you still choke your way through every season/playoffs.
anyways, here is my question, which is probably an incredibly boring/tired topic for some of you (advance apologies): I have always like the dawg pound (way better than the black hole - full of newly released inmates on probation), and am wondering if the actual browns fans would prefer a bulldog logo on the browns helmet? I have always thought it would be cool, but might not be welcomed by long-time fans.
-Bolts
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that "ball at Hillis' feet" was because Seneca was throwing it away--that screen was doomed regardless and it was actually a smart, heads-up play by Seneca.
the "5 yard out routes" are a staple in the WCO--SW is just executing the plays shrrrmmmrrrr calls. key word there-executing. don't kill the messenger as they say.
^^ imo worst post you've ever made here BBB2. by far.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are missing the point. As I posted earlier, I realize Wallace was throwing the ball away instead of completing a pass to Hillis for a huge loss. While that is a good thing, Wallace dropped so far back he gave away the screen play before it happened. My point is he drops back too far on most plays and spends even less time in the pocket than McCoy does (I realize this is partly due to the offensive line but both QBs give up on plays too early). And while 5 yard out routes are a staple in the WCO Wallace still executed these same plays in every start he made for Mangini last year! That was a different offense and yet Wallace still throws the same damn short out routes. I cringe every time as those are the easiest pick 6s a defense can make. Remember the pick 6 Wallace threw on one of these out routes last year that lost us the game against the Chiefs? Out routes are fine, but Wallace seems afraid to throw the ball over the middle.
In saying all of this, I was merely pointing out that Wallace is no better than McCoy. Since McCoy has the most potential between the two, I would lean towards McCoy as the starting QB (which is what Holmgren has done). I have seen way too many posts over the past few days claiming Wallace played an amazing game on Sunday. We have already lost plenty of games this year while scoring 17 points. Nothing he did was amazing. I swear the favorite player of most Cleveland fans is always the backup QB...
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are missing the point. As I posted earlier, I realize Wallace was throwing the ball away instead of completing a pass to Hillis for a huge loss. While that is a good thing, Wallace dropped so far back he gave away the screen play before it happened. My point is he drops back too far on most plays and spends even less time in the pocket than McCoy does (I realize this is partly due to the offensive line but both QBs give up on plays too early). And while 5 yard out routes are a staple in the WCO Wallace still executed these same plays in every start he made for Mangini last year! That was a different offense and yet Wallace still throws the same damn short out routes. I cringe every time as those are the easiest pick 6s a defense can make. Remember the pick 6 Wallace threw on one of these out routes last year that lost us the game against the Chiefs? Out routes are fine, but Wallace seems afraid to throw the ball over the middle.
In saying all of this, I was merely pointing out that Wallace is no better than McCoy. Since McCoy has the most potential between the two, I would lean towards McCoy as the starting QB (which is what Holmgren has done). I have seen way too many posts over the past few days claiming Wallace played an amazing game on Sunday. We have already lost plenty of games this year while scoring 17 points. Nothing he did was amazing. I swear the favorite player of most Cleveland fans is always the backup QB...
gotcha. and you're right, your first point was lost on me. what you're saying is much clearer now and i agree with you to an extent now that you have elaborated.
in summation: neither SW nor 3rd rounder the answer at QB >> play Colt anyway.
your last line was great btw. take it fwiw, coming from a former K. Holcomb fan. haha
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off-topic post, but i can't start a new post, and i figured the interruption of a back-up QB discussion might be welcomed.
Chargers fan here, but have always rooted for the browns against elway, the steelers, and most other teams (I can't call myself a closet Browns fan, but almost).
for the record, i remember the brian sipe day(nicknamed the cardiac kids i think) and bernie kosar days. you also owned the original "marty ball" - so we've got connections!
i'm not here to start any crap, i come from a tortured franchise, so who am i to talk any smack! speaking of QB's, try this one on: you have 2 consecutive pro bowl QB's (brees and rivers) and you still choke your way through every season/playoffs.
anyways, here is my question, which is probably an incredibly boring/tired topic for some of you (advance apologies): I have always like the dawg pound (way better than the black hole - full of newly released inmates on probation), and am wondering if the actual browns fans would prefer a bulldog logo on the browns helmet? I have always thought it would be cool, but might not be welcomed by long-time fans.
-Bolts
off-topic post, but i can't start a new post, and i figured the interruption of a back-up QB discussion might be welcomed.
Chargers fan here, but have always rooted for the browns against elway, the steelers, and most other teams (I can't call myself a closet Browns fan, but almost).
for the record, i remember the brian sipe day(nicknamed the cardiac kids i think) and bernie kosar days. you also owned the original "marty ball" - so we've got connections!
i'm not here to start any crap, i come from a tortured franchise, so who am i to talk any smack! speaking of QB's, try this one on: you have 2 consecutive pro bowl QB's (brees and rivers) and you still choke your way through every season/playoffs.
anyways, here is my question, which is probably an incredibly boring/tired topic for some of you (advance apologies): I have always like the dawg pound (way better than the black hole - full of newly released inmates on probation), and am wondering if the actual browns fans would prefer a bulldog logo on the browns helmet? I have always thought it would be cool, but might not be welcomed by long-time fans.
-Bolts
no chargrfan, the interruption is not welcome...at least as far as i'm concerned.
nor is the trivializing of our discussion about who our future starting QB might be.
maybe try the thread entitled FIRST TIME POSTER!
ass.
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helmet change?
We don't need no stinkin helmet change.
The rest of your post was fine.....
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off-topic post, but i can't start a new post, and i figured the interruption of a back-up QB discussion might be welcomed.
Chargers fan here, but have always rooted for the browns against elway, the steelers, and most other teams (I can't call myself a closet Browns fan, but almost).
for the record, i remember the brian sipe day(nicknamed the cardiac kids i think) and bernie kosar days. you also owned the original "marty ball" - so we've got connections!
i'm not here to start any crap, i come from a tortured franchise, so who am i to talk any smack! speaking of QB's, try this one on: you have 2 consecutive pro bowl QB's (brees and rivers) and you still choke your way through every season/playoffs.
anyways, here is my question, which is probably an incredibly boring/tired topic for some of you (advance apologies): I have always like the dawg pound (way better than the black hole - full of newly released inmates on probation), and am wondering if the actual browns fans would prefer a bulldog logo on the browns helmet? I have always thought it would be cool, but might not be welcomed by long-time fans.
-Bolts
no chargrfan, the interruption is not welcome...at least as far as i'm concerned.
nor is the trivializing of our discussion about who our future starting QB might be.
maybe try the thread entitled FIRST TIME POSTER!
ass.
no chargrfan, the interruption is not welcome...at least as far as i'm concerned.
nor is the trivializing of our discussion about who our future starting QB might be.
maybe try the thread entitled FIRST TIME POSTER!
ass.
Sisky, i didn't notice that "first post" thread. also, this thread seems to saying that neither QB is the answer, so I don't see how I interrupted the "future QB" discussion.
dumbass back at ya.
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that "ball at Hillis' feet" was because Seneca was throwing it away--that screen was doomed regardless and it was actually a smart, heads-up play by Seneca.
the "5 yard out routes" are a staple in the WCO--SW is just executing the plays shrrrmmmrrrr calls. key word there-executing. don't kill the messenger as they say.
^^ imo worst post you've ever made here BBB2. by far.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are missing the point. As I posted earlier, I realize Wallace was throwing the ball away instead of completing a pass to Hillis for a huge loss. While that is a good thing, Wallace dropped so far back he gave away the screen play before it happened. My point is he drops back too far on most plays and spends even less time in the pocket than McCoy does (I realize this is partly due to the offensive line but both QBs give up on plays too early). And while 5 yard out routes are a staple in the WCO Wallace still executed these same plays in every start he made for Mangini last year! That was a different offense and yet Wallace still throws the same damn short out routes. I cringe every time as those are the easiest pick 6s a defense can make. Remember the pick 6 Wallace threw on one of these out routes last year that lost us the game against the Chiefs? Out routes are fine, but Wallace seems afraid to throw the ball over the middle.
In saying all of this, I was merely pointing out that Wallace is no better than McCoy. Since McCoy has the most potential between the two, I would lean towards McCoy as the starting QB (which is what Holmgren has done). I have seen way too many posts over the past few days claiming Wallace played an amazing game on Sunday. We have already lost plenty of games this year while scoring 17 points. Nothing he did was amazing. I swear the favorite player of most Cleveland fans is always the backup QB...
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are missing the point. As I posted earlier, I realize Wallace was throwing the ball away instead of completing a pass to Hillis for a huge loss. While that is a good thing, Wallace dropped so far back he gave away the screen play before it happened. My point is he drops back too far on most plays and spends even less time in the pocket than McCoy does (I realize this is partly due to the offensive line but both QBs give up on plays too early). And while 5 yard out routes are a staple in the WCO Wallace still executed these same plays in every start he made for Mangini last year! That was a different offense and yet Wallace still throws the same damn short out routes. I cringe every time as those are the easiest pick 6s a defense can make. Remember the pick 6 Wallace threw on one of these out routes last year that lost us the game against the Chiefs? Out routes are fine, but Wallace seems afraid to throw the ball over the middle.
In saying all of this, I was merely pointing out that Wallace is no better than McCoy. Since McCoy has the most potential between the two, I would lean towards McCoy as the starting QB (which is what Holmgren has done). I have seen way too many posts over the past few days claiming Wallace played an amazing game on Sunday. We have already lost plenty of games this year while scoring 17 points. Nothing he did was amazing. I swear the favorite player of most Cleveland fans is always the backup QB...
3 step drop screen passes are not all that effective bty...
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
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It isn't too hard to start a thread. Certainly no harder than creating an account, charger dude.
And I know it's a cliche but the backup quarterback is always the most popular guy in the world.
WSS
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
its simple. colts not really that great of a QB. with 10 other good guys around him, he'd be an effective game manager. i think tho, many of us are pining for something a little better than an average QB around here. someone who makes other players performance rise, someone who rises to the occasion, someone who can take a team on his back and carry them to victory.
colts not that guy....sorry, but he's just not.
i understand some people think we never give QBs a chance around here. thats fine....but how much more time until everyone can get onboard? colts got 2 years in, started 16+ games and hasn't shown anything other than average play. he was a third round pick and is on a cheap contract. so its not like the pick is a huge setback.
we have to continue to search for a new QB moving forward. use FA this year if they wanna supplement elsewhere with picks. but under no circumstances does this team take yet another year of wasted time to see if this crap comes together cause colt needs more time to learn. certain things are not learned....
if you can upgrade at QB, you do it. if not, i can deal with colt for another year. but just let go of the idea that the kid is going to turn into an all-pro.
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
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Ha WOW!!!! This is outrageous!!!! I might as well give up. just draft a new QB every year and we'll continue to suck its no big deal. I just dont understand peoples way of thinking. Throw this 25 year old kid into the pros where he learns one style of play by one head coach then for his first year starting under a new coach with a new system to learn and no time to practice it and we've already seen enough to judge him?!?!?! never mind the complete lack of talent on offense but GIVE ME A BREAK! Who am I kidding ive been a fan for 20 years I guess I should be used to this bull crap by now
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I for one hope they don't take a QB, but I also know these guys aren't going to reach for one either, so if they do take one it would be their guy. H&H (reguardless of what some people around here would say) have hit very well with their high draft choices, so I'm not real worried.
Most say Colt is an average QB, and I'd say he is, but think he is a winner and can be above average if given the chance. There are so may positions on the field where the Browns aren't average that not filling spots with playmakers would be a mistake. A new qb could put up big point per game, then stand on the sidelines and watch the defense give up 200+ rushing yards. And ive said it before, colt is tough as nails....put a fragile Qb behind the browns oline and let him take some of the asswhompings colt has had to take and not many would get up like he has.
I think colt has earned another year and shot, but if they do take a Qb, I'm not going to say much because like i said i dont think they will reach
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This isn't about wanting to change just for the sake of changing or about Colts toughness,this about the things Colt can't do and never will
There are certain throws that just take too long to get from point A to point B,and he will never be able to throw deep accurately under pressure
Does that mean we can't win with Colt? Nope,plenty of Qbs lack the big arm of Peyton or Aaron Rodgers,put the right players around Colt and he can win
But the elite teams will never respect his deep ball and will always force him to try to win with what he can't do.I believe Heckert and Holmgren know this.
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
IMO, evolution of the NFL rule changes protecting qb's have created an arena where qb's can transition from the college game to a successful nfl
career in a shorter period than what we have seen before. The learning curve has undergone a significant change favoring quicker development of
the young qb's. The league is determined to lengthen the season to 18 games, and they have to protect the player fans love the most.
We have witnessed recently more than a handful of young qb's leading their teams to the playoffs within several years of entering the league.
In addition, I think shurmus has dumbed-down the playbook for colt, yet his improvement as a qb has been marginal at best over the past 15 months. You cannot overlook
his 0 -9 record against division teams and a big question mark regarding arm strength needed to overcome the traps of division games played in brutal
november,december and january weather conditions. Lack of play making wr's, and a consistent running game along with o line injuries while challenging are not the
kiss of death. They are hurdles that can be overcome to a degree. Colt works his ass off. He's a tough gamer. He is as likeable as they come. But, i just don't
feel he is the answer for the Browns in their efforts to claw their way back to the top of the heap.
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man.
lol my bad. saying Rogers 1st year starting was bad wording >> the point was just to reference his beginnings. 1st-overall-pick-Peyton was something like 3-13 out the gate and before the switch from Farve, Rogers stunk it up in his limited time on the field. Pack fans were very uneasy about the switch to him and tons of em were ready to give up on AR before he even began--and that's fact. but, rightly so. Favre is a pretty damn tough act to follow. i think you get the point.
the difference here is they both had serious tools, good health, prototypical size, shape, weight, speed, intelligence and basically all the intangibles you look for. and with the rest of the pieces around them not only do they both now have rings but they are probably both future hall of famers taboot.
so in response to pee pee: obviously, Colt does not. CM is tough as hell and certainly no dummy and sure his ceiling is high enough he can win some games, but it's not high enough to ever allow him to be elite.
and unfortunately, as long as he's in the cockpit...either will the Browns.
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I have to admit I was a Colt McCoy fan when he first started "even named a cat after him" lol but...after seeing him play and not seeing him really improve and now realizing his limitations, I have to think with our first pick we should take the best available player and if that happens to be a
QB we should grab him, we can move Colt into a backup role where I think he would survive in the league for a long time. To me Colt is just not a gem waiting to be polished.
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^^ good post Jibz, i totally agree.
well when it comes to QBs and Cleveland, hell, i wouldn't mind if they drafted a QB every single year >> that's basically how NE found Brady (i'm referring to late rounders of course).
plus, then their ego's wouldn't get all bruised when the new guy shows up.
Colt's a good dude. i wish things could be different but sadly it seems the writing on the wall is pretty clear at this point.
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Colt is limited right now and if you want to help him be successful, then you have to draft/trade in order to do that. Simple as that. Regardless if he is the QB in Cleveland next year or not, you need to find consistent protection for the quarterbacks and a group of playmakers who can challenge a defense and either catch or hold onto the ball. Good to see Hillis getting more carries lately; I hope he's closer too 100% for this next game. Excited to see what develops and no matter what anyone here says, Colt is much more than just a serviceable backup in this league. If Cleveland gets rid of him, some other team will be getting their hands on a fine QB.
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