Colts Days As A Starter Should Be Over.
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
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Ha WOW!!!! This is outrageous!!!! I might as well give up. just draft a new QB every year and we'll continue to suck its no big deal. I just dont understand peoples way of thinking. Throw this 25 year old kid into the pros where he learns one style of play by one head coach then for his first year starting under a new coach with a new system to learn and no time to practice it and we've already seen enough to judge him?!?!?! never mind the complete lack of talent on offense but GIVE ME A BREAK! Who am I kidding ive been a fan for 20 years I guess I should be used to this bull crap by now
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I for one hope they don't take a QB, but I also know these guys aren't going to reach for one either, so if they do take one it would be their guy. H&H (reguardless of what some people around here would say) have hit very well with their high draft choices, so I'm not real worried.
Most say Colt is an average QB, and I'd say he is, but think he is a winner and can be above average if given the chance. There are so may positions on the field where the Browns aren't average that not filling spots with playmakers would be a mistake. A new qb could put up big point per game, then stand on the sidelines and watch the defense give up 200+ rushing yards. And ive said it before, colt is tough as nails....put a fragile Qb behind the browns oline and let him take some of the asswhompings colt has had to take and not many would get up like he has.
I think colt has earned another year and shot, but if they do take a Qb, I'm not going to say much because like i said i dont think they will reach
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This isn't about wanting to change just for the sake of changing or about Colts toughness,this about the things Colt can't do and never will
There are certain throws that just take too long to get from point A to point B,and he will never be able to throw deep accurately under pressure
Does that mean we can't win with Colt? Nope,plenty of Qbs lack the big arm of Peyton or Aaron Rodgers,put the right players around Colt and he can win
But the elite teams will never respect his deep ball and will always force him to try to win with what he can't do.I believe Heckert and Holmgren know this.
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
IMO, evolution of the NFL rule changes protecting qb's have created an arena where qb's can transition from the college game to a successful nfl
career in a shorter period than what we have seen before. The learning curve has undergone a significant change favoring quicker development of
the young qb's. The league is determined to lengthen the season to 18 games, and they have to protect the player fans love the most.
We have witnessed recently more than a handful of young qb's leading their teams to the playoffs within several years of entering the league.
In addition, I think shurmus has dumbed-down the playbook for colt, yet his improvement as a qb has been marginal at best over the past 15 months. You cannot overlook
his 0 -9 record against division teams and a big question mark regarding arm strength needed to overcome the traps of division games played in brutal
november,december and january weather conditions. Lack of play making wr's, and a consistent running game along with o line injuries while challenging are not the
kiss of death. They are hurdles that can be overcome to a degree. Colt works his ass off. He's a tough gamer. He is as likeable as they come. But, i just don't
feel he is the answer for the Browns in their efforts to claw their way back to the top of the heap.
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man. And i'm so tired of the idea that Manning went 1-15 in his first year and got magically better. The NFL was a completely different game back when Manning first entered. QB's weren't treated like Kings on high and DB's had rights they don't even dream about now. Face it, each year the QB gets stronger and stronger due the NFL wanting offensive games. Therefore, a true franchise QB shows what he can do right off the bat. It'd be one thing to be calling for the guys head after 4-5 starts, but if I'm not mistaken he's had 21-22 starts at this point. He's shown nothing to have gotten better and is still making the same mistakes that aren't on his WR's even though they are all below average. I mean honestly ask yourself this question: is Colt a franchise QB? I doubt anyone says yes, and without a franchise QB in today's NFL you don't win games, period.
first off, Aaron Rodgers in his first real year as a starter had these stats 4,038 yards 28TD's 13 Int's. I wish a browns first year starter was that putrid haha, come on man.
lol my bad. saying Rogers 1st year starting was bad wording >> the point was just to reference his beginnings. 1st-overall-pick-Peyton was something like 3-13 out the gate and before the switch from Farve, Rogers stunk it up in his limited time on the field. Pack fans were very uneasy about the switch to him and tons of em were ready to give up on AR before he even began--and that's fact. but, rightly so. Favre is a pretty damn tough act to follow. i think you get the point.
the difference here is they both had serious tools, good health, prototypical size, shape, weight, speed, intelligence and basically all the intangibles you look for. and with the rest of the pieces around them not only do they both now have rings but they are probably both future hall of famers taboot.
so in response to pee pee: obviously, Colt does not. CM is tough as hell and certainly no dummy and sure his ceiling is high enough he can win some games, but it's not high enough to ever allow him to be elite.
and unfortunately, as long as he's in the cockpit...either will the Browns.
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I have to admit I was a Colt McCoy fan when he first started "even named a cat after him" lol but...after seeing him play and not seeing him really improve and now realizing his limitations, I have to think with our first pick we should take the best available player and if that happens to be a
QB we should grab him, we can move Colt into a backup role where I think he would survive in the league for a long time. To me Colt is just not a gem waiting to be polished.
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^^ good post Jibz, i totally agree.
well when it comes to QBs and Cleveland, hell, i wouldn't mind if they drafted a QB every single year >> that's basically how NE found Brady (i'm referring to late rounders of course).
plus, then their ego's wouldn't get all bruised when the new guy shows up.
Colt's a good dude. i wish things could be different but sadly it seems the writing on the wall is pretty clear at this point.
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Colt is limited right now and if you want to help him be successful, then you have to draft/trade in order to do that. Simple as that. Regardless if he is the QB in Cleveland next year or not, you need to find consistent protection for the quarterbacks and a group of playmakers who can challenge a defense and either catch or hold onto the ball. Good to see Hillis getting more carries lately; I hope he's closer too 100% for this next game. Excited to see what develops and no matter what anyone here says, Colt is much more than just a serviceable backup in this league. If Cleveland gets rid of him, some other team will be getting their hands on a fine QB.
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Evidence.. hmmmm lets see...where can we find evidence?
Um... I know!!! there's this thing called NFL football that's on once a week.. The Browns are part of the NFL and Colt gets out there and sucks for 60 minutes each week... I guess we could call that evidence!!! Geezzz do you even watch football? Come on man... turn on another game that has a pro NFL QB's like maybe... any other team and you will see what Colt is suppose to be doing... now watch the noodle arm little boy hang his head as he over throws or under throws another one of our recivers.
See thats called evidence! wow!
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I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
I too brought this comment in from another forum, this post came from sisky fringo: Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers were putrid their first year starting in the NFL and they had basically the same physical attributes as they do now. after gaining proficiency in their offensive systems and some time to gel with their receivers the difference is staggering. Yet hes telling me Im an idiot for wanting to give Colt a legit chance to learn this offense and to mesh with his receivers???? Im confused here but I guess its a bad idea huh sisky?
Yeah, you were replying to Sisky, but I have to comment. Manning & Rodgers may well have had the same physical attributes then\now, but Lord Almighty, have you even watched Rodgers play lately? He's a couple of dimensions higher than Colt in every measurable, and intangible respect you care to mention. Rodgers has the same attribute Manning had in his prime- he can make average receivers look like Pro-Bowlers. Colt makes average receivers (Little) look like crap. AR also has no running game to speak of, and a 31st ranked defense. I hate to say it, but Colt's ceiling may be somewhere in the Chad Pennington range.
H&H have said they have enough film on Colt to make a decision, So I'll defer to their expertise.
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It isn't Colt that is holding back the Browns offense, period.
It's the lack of having a solid RT, maybe a big, buttkicking OG,
and some serious SPEED at wr to stretch the field.
Get those things in place, THEN if Colt is holding the offense back,
draft a qb who is top of the line.
Right now, Peyton Manning in his prime couldn't make this offense work well.
The blocking isn't there on the right side, the wr's don't get open much, cept for Little,
Hillis gets beaten up after a while... and no new qb will fix those things.
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PPE6.6 has proved to be a raging ass in his 26 posts...and then tops it all by saying cats suck...
Lets see... he obviously doesn't know a thing about football since he thinks Colt is a good QB... what an ass!
And now attacks cats... just sad! And then to top it.... what kind of a login is PPE6.6 hmmmm loser!!!!
Go root for the steelers ass wipe!
. seriously that last comment you made to me just shows your lack of knowledge about everything. which also might explain why you own a cat.
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