Are The Browns "lucky"?
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Here is a little video from Youtube promoting Luck for the Heisman. Any good ones you find post it here. I think if we get a little Luck rally going it'll be even better mojo. We need a Franchise Qb and I don't know if Colt is it. Luck could be our guy for the next 10 seasons. He could be the one that comes in and finally beats the Steelers and Ravens on his first try. Get a bookend OT across from Thomas and give Luck a line to throw behind. I like Colt but Luck is gonna make up for Tim Couch... And I liked Tim Couch a lot. I think this team is farther along and more developed than the one Couch inherited in '99. Thomas is one of them. Hillis and get a burner for WR... Desean Jackson could be that guy. Get a good corner opposite Haden... Maybe Minnifield?
... now if we could just find a way to get Vickers back...
And I liked Tim Couch a lot.
... now if we could just find a way to get Vickers back...
But to draft an overall #1 QB and then declare you have to change his throwing motion? Never understood that...
I miss Vickers, too.
... there's a gleam gentlemen... there's a gleam...
LOL... Didn't see Marty on the list of coaches drafting Luck would attract.
I think that Andrew Luck and Colt McCoy would be a AWESOME combination to have in Cleveland. You could still play Colt and give Luck a breather here and there and Colt could still be effective.
Agree that if we want Luck, we have to trade up to get him. Disagree about keeping Colt... If you draft Luck, you clear the decks for him. And Colt's shown enough to be worth at least the #3 invested in him.
If we're going to get anyone the odds are way better on RG III. Get used to the idea.
To move up to #1 overall, it will take both our first rounders, and our #1 next year. Still interested?
Agree, but there's a reason RGIII would fall to us... He's not Luck.
Based upon one "value chart" I have, that'd be giving ~4000 points for 3000, say 3500 for the QB premium... So, no, but if it was this year's first #1 and a #4, next year's #1 (about 3000 pts) plus a conditional 2013 (2nd to 4th)... I could see that.
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I dont think Luck would really have a problem coming to Cleveland, didnt his dad Oliver grow up in Cleveland????
I dont think Luck would really have a problem coming to Cleveland, didnt his dad Oliver grow up in Cleveland????
By George, you are correct , sir..
Born April 5, 1960 (1960-04-05) (age 51)Cleveland, Ohiohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Luck
Andrew is the 2nd coming of Bernire!
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I'm not really awestruck with Luck either. Moving up to grab him would be stupid. He's not getting past the Colts, and definitely not past the Vikings.
Andrew Luck will not be in Cleveland. Ever. And that's not a bad thing.
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I've only watched a game or two with Luck and I'm not super impressed with him either. As of now, id rather have a dual threat qb who can make up for the lack of play makers on offense.
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First off the Colts will not pass on Luck.
Second, Luck will never come to Cleveland. Its a place where qb careers are ended. He will pull an Eli Manning if this scenario would play out.
First off the Colts will not pass on Luck.
Second, Luck will never come to Cleveland. Its a place where qb careers are ended. He will pull an Eli Manning if this scenario would play out.
Not true, because Holmgren can simply point out the fact that as a coach he instructed Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck.
And remember, Luck's father is a Cleveland St. Ignatius Graduate, and that Randy Lerner's son is a QB at St. Ignatius.
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mikeyP72 said:
I must be in the minority of people who aren't awstruck by Luck.
Nearly every expert, professional GM and pundit says that Luck is the most sure thing to come out of college since Peyton Manning or John Elway. I tend to believe them.
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I do believe that Luck is good and has scary potential i do not like the hype that has been surronded around him that is alot of big shoes to fill, also theres no way he comes here i just dont think he could fall that far...If he did i do think he would embrace it though as Gipper has pointed out the ties to Cleveland
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2012 NFL Draft
1a)QB -Take Andrew Luck (Franchise QB)
1b)WR -Take Kendall Wright (Great Hands, Burner Speed)
2) Best available CB - please be Minnifield if anything to make up for Clay Matthews Jr.
3) Best available LB - need to find someone to play for Fujita soon in his spot
FYI, if the Browns traded up with the Colts to get Luck (he his NOT going to fall to #4), the 1b and 2 choices would be eliminated in order to make that deal. So, if the Browns get Luck, you can forget getting Wright and Minnifield.
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By the way, did anyone see this from NFL.com:
Head coach Pat Shurmur and owner Randy Lerner are working together to turn around a struggling Browns franchise.
But for a few hours Thursday, Shurmur and Lerner went head-to-head on the football field. Well, at least their 14-year-old children did.
The sons of Shurmur and Lerner are the starting quarterbacks for storied high school rivals in west side of Cleveland. Kyle Shurmur threw three touchdown passes to guide his St. Edward freshman football team past Max Lerner and St. Ignatius 37-0, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Neither father was in attendance, the Plain Dealer reported. Kyle Shurmur and Max Lerner became good friends this year after hanging out at Browns practices.
"I'm close with Max," Kyle Shurmur told the newspaper. "I hope he does really well in everything. I hope he does really well every night -- except this one night
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By the way, did anyone see this from NFL.com:
Head coach Pat Shurmur and owner Randy Lerner are working together to turn around a struggling Browns franchise.
But for a few hours Thursday, Shurmur and Lerner went head-to-head on the football field. Well, at least their 14-year-old children did.
The sons of Shurmur and Lerner are the starting quarterbacks for storied high school rivals in west side of Cleveland. Kyle Shurmur threw three touchdown passes to guide his St. Edward freshman football team past Max Lerner and St. Ignatius 37-0, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Neither father was in attendance, the Plain Dealer reported. Kyle Shurmur and Max Lerner became good friends this year after hanging out at Browns practices.
"I'm close with Max," Kyle Shurmur told the newspaper. "I hope he does really well in everything. I hope he does really well every night -- except this one night
By the way, did anyone see this from NFL.com:
Head coach Pat Shurmur and owner Randy Lerner are working together to turn around a struggling Browns franchise.
But for a few hours Thursday, Shurmur and Lerner went head-to-head on the football field. Well, at least their 14-year-old children did.
The sons of Shurmur and Lerner are the starting quarterbacks for storied high school rivals in west side of Cleveland. Kyle Shurmur threw three touchdown passes to guide his St. Edward freshman football team past Max Lerner and St. Ignatius 37-0, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Neither father was in attendance, the Plain Dealer reported. Kyle Shurmur and Max Lerner became good friends this year after hanging out at Browns practices.
"I'm close with Max," Kyle Shurmur told the newspaper. "I hope he does really well in everything. I hope he does really well every night -- except this one night
F*cking Shurmur let him coach his Kids High school team thats about where he should be
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By the way, did anyone see this from NFL.com:
Head coach Pat Shurmur and owner Randy Lerner are working together to turn around a struggling Browns franchise.
But for a few hours Thursday, Shurmur and Lerner went head-to-head on the football field. Well, at least their 14-year-old children did.
The sons of Shurmur and Lerner are the starting quarterbacks for storied high school rivals in west side of Cleveland. Kyle Shurmur threw three touchdown passes to guide his St. Edward freshman football team past Max Lerner and St. Ignatius 37-0, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Neither father was in attendance, the Plain Dealer reported. Kyle Shurmur and Max Lerner became good friends this year after hanging out at Browns practices.
"I'm close with Max," Kyle Shurmur told the newspaper. "I hope he does really well in everything. I hope he does really well every night -- except this one night
F*cking Shurmur let him coach his Kids High school team thats about where he should be
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By the way, did anyone see this from NFL.com:
Head coach Pat Shurmur and owner Randy Lerner are working together to turn around a struggling Browns franchise.
But for a few hours Thursday, Shurmur and Lerner went head-to-head on the football field. Well, at least their 14-year-old children did.
The sons of Shurmur and Lerner are the starting quarterbacks for storied high school rivals in west side of Cleveland. Kyle Shurmur threw three touchdown passes to guide his St. Edward freshman football team past Max Lerner and St. Ignatius 37-0, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Neither father was in attendance, the Plain Dealer reported. Kyle Shurmur and Max Lerner became good friends this year after hanging out at Browns practices.
"I'm close with Max," Kyle Shurmur told the newspaper. "I hope he does really well in everything. I hope he does really well every night -- except this one night
By the way, did anyone see this from NFL.com:
Head coach Pat Shurmur and owner Randy Lerner are working together to turn around a struggling Browns franchise.
But for a few hours Thursday, Shurmur and Lerner went head-to-head on the football field. Well, at least their 14-year-old children did.
The sons of Shurmur and Lerner are the starting quarterbacks for storied high school rivals in west side of Cleveland. Kyle Shurmur threw three touchdown passes to guide his St. Edward freshman football team past Max Lerner and St. Ignatius 37-0, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Neither father was in attendance, the Plain Dealer reported. Kyle Shurmur and Max Lerner became good friends this year after hanging out at Browns practices.
"I'm close with Max," Kyle Shurmur told the newspaper. "I hope he does really well in everything. I hope he does really well every night -- except this one night
What? Randy lets his son play football? I thought Randy hated football and really only loved soccer that's why the Browns are bad.
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I think Freshman only football part of what makes Ohio HS football what it is. Not all states have that you go right from 8th to sitting on the bench for JV unless your a stud.
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I think Freshman only football part of what makes Ohio HS football what it is. Not all states have that you go right from 8th to sitting on the bench for JV unless your a stud.
I think Freshman only football part of what makes Ohio HS football what it is. Not all states have that you go right from 8th to sitting on the bench for JV unless your a stud.
Florida has it as well...It goes Freshman,JV then Varsity
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There are two scenarios. Colts take Luck #1 overall. OR Some team moves up to #1 and gives up pretty much this entire draft and next years. It's not worth it. Let's just hope Blackmon falls to 4.
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FYI...
Colt's just cleaned house. They fired both Polians. As the article mentions, Polian had a hard on for Luck (just like everyone else seems to) and this move makes thing more interesting.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/02/colts-clean-house-polians-are-out/
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Regardless kind of cool that the owner son and the coaches son get to have Cleveland High School QB battles with each other.
Agreed. Kind of shitty that neither dad could make it. Shurmur probably had a legit work excuse but little lord fauntleroy randy lerner could probably have flown in from Europe on his private jet for a couple hours to pretend he loves his kid. I hope he's a better dad than a football owner.
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Would/could Luck succeed in Cleveland?
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Would/could Luck succeed in Cleveland?
Yes. The only QB who might have been a failure do to being in Cleveland was Couch and it was because of a very poor O-Line that made ours this year look all pro. Cause of that he suffered many injuries that altered his ability. Everyone else either just didn't have the ability or the mental capacity to be a starter and it had nothing to do with Cleveland. If we draft a QB and he doesn't pan out it's not going to be because of Cleveland it's going to be because he just wasn't good.
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Would/could Luck succeed in Cleveland?
Yes. The only QB who might have been a failure do to being in Cleveland was Couch and it was because of a very poor O-Line that made ours this year look all pro. Cause of that he suffered many injuries that altered his ability. Everyone else either just didn't have the ability or the mental capacity to be a starter and it had nothing to do with Cleveland. If we draft a QB and he doesn't pan out it's not going to be because of Cleveland it's going to be because he just wasn't good.
Yes. The only QB who might have been a failure do to being in Cleveland was Couch and it was because of a very poor O-Line that made ours this year look all pro. Cause of that he suffered many injuries that altered his ability. Everyone else either just didn't have the ability or the mental capacity to be a starter and it had nothing to do with Cleveland. If we draft a QB and he doesn't pan out it's not going to be because of Cleveland it's going to be because he just wasn't good.
It was more than a poor OL. Couch wasn't bright enough. If the dude has brains, we may have went super bowling in the 2002 season with a weak AFC. Guy was at his best late in the game when everything became easy for him.
Luck would succeed in Cleveland because his skills fit the WCO perfectly. Luck ain't a "slinger" though. If you throw him in a vertical game, he would have some struggles. I suspect the Browns will pry into the first pick and find it far to expensive though, but you can never say for sure.
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