Luck, Kalil, & Claiborne Are Gone... Is Rgiii Your Pick?

Nw220

@miktoxic said:

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back to your point: no i wouldn't pick any of those guys over griffin either. BUT i guarantee you this time next year they'll be some guy everyone is touting to be the second coming of tebow as well. wait and see.

You could be right but most of the QBs including Griffin people knew about last year, so most GMs do scout for future drafts as well as the current drafts to see if you dont take a Franchise QB this year who could be there next and would you even get a chance at taking him...You never know if we will be able to draft high enough next year to land a Franchise QB, and even still if we did how do they compare to Griffin and Luck...These two to me are the best Two QBs to come out in a little while

CLEVELandMILIDH

@nw220 said:

Only difference is if you watch the way Griffin plays you see he never really wants to tuck the ball and run, he is a pocket passer before he is a scrambler..He rarely ever takes off unless he absoultely has to,as far as big arm he may have the biggest arm out of any QB in this draft,from watching tape i would say he has the quickest release out of all the other QBs even Luck....I do think he will be a good NFL QB and if the Browns take him i will be behind him just like i still am with McCoy, i can understand the thoughts he might bust but i would say he has just as good a chance of being an All Pro QB as Luck....

This is coming from someone who isnt high on drafting QBs and starting over but i feel that after the combine that this more than likely could be a mute point because Griffin wont be there with the 4th pick

I just don't see him reading defenses, and he's gonna have to at the next level. What I've seen of him, he stares down his primary receiver, if he's not open he doesn't look to his 2nd or 3rd read. He either waits till his primary gets open or he immediately scambles around to bye time and then finds somebody. He never stands in the pocket and goes through his reads.

Watch this game against Oklahoma and tell me how many times he stands in the pocket and goes through a progression and then watch Landry Jones

Cobra Kai

@clevelandmilidh said:

I just don't see him reading defenses, and he's gonna have to at the next level. What I've seen of him, he stares down his primary receiver, if he's not open he doesn't look to his 2nd or 3rd read. He either waits till his primary gets open or he immediately scambles around to bye time and then finds somebody. He never stands in the pocket and goes through his reads.

Watch this game against Oklahoma and tell me how many times he stands in the pocket and goes through a progression and then watch Landry Jones.

Your video is 3 hours long, dude. It's the whole fucking game.

Really?

Thanks for the heads-up, but uhhh... I guess I'll get back to you in a couple days, m'kay?

Tour2ma

I voted "No" only because "Hell No" was not an option.

If Luck and Blackmon are gone, I trade down...

The only other player at this point that would tempt me at #4 is Richardson, but I'm uneasy about his longevity prospects.

CLEVELandMILIDH

@cobra-kai said:

Your video is 3 hours long, dude. It's the whole fucking game.

Really?

Thanks for the heads-up, but uhhh... I guess I'll get back to you in a couple days, m'kay?

LOL it is long, but it gives you a better concept of whats happening than just a highlight video.

I just got done watching the entire thing myself, and I'll tell you what, based on that game I wouldn't be upset at all with Jones at 4. But I'm going to have to watch a few more games to reassure me. If we could trade down into the 10-15 range and still get Jones I would be ecstatic.

DawginIT

@hunt-daddy said:

Blackmon. Far and away.

Bingo

Harry Buffalo

@clevelandmilidh said:

LOL it is long, but it gives you a better concept of whats happening than just a highlight video.

I just got done watching the entire thing myself, and I'll tell you what, based on that game I wouldn't be upset at all with Jones at 4. But I'm going to have to watch a few more games to reassure me. If we could trade down into the 10-15 range and still get Jones I would be ecstatic.

You make any decision on that game it should be to take RGIII. He put up crazy numbers against Oklahoma who has a fairly good defense. Jones put up numbers against Baylor, one of the worst defenses in college football. I don't know how you watch someone tear up a good defense and someone do less against a very very bad defense and pick the later guy.

CLEVELandMILIDH

Jones certainly didn't do less, he had a couple key drops that hit guys in the hands. Threw 2 bad passes the entire game.

RG3 threw deep to wide open receivers a couple times and got a touchdown tipped ball over the middle. The guys good in a gimmick offense, he's not gonna have wide open receivers running deep 10 times a game in the NFL, hell he missed to wide open TD's. He's gonna have to read defenses, and he showed zero ability to do that.

Harry Buffalo

@clevelandmilidh said:

Jones certainly didn't do less, he had a couple key drops that hit guys in the hands. Threw 2 bad passes the entire game.

RG3 threw deep to wide open receivers a couple times and got a touchdown tipped ball over the middle. The guys good in a gimmick offense, he's not gonna have wide open receivers running deep 10 times a game in the NFL, hell he missed to wide open TD's. He's gonna have to read defenses, and he showed zero ability to do that.

Sounds more nit picky than anything. Ok and Baylor run the same gimmick offense. The only difference is that both QB's put up the same numbers but one did it against a good defense and the other against a horrible defense. Shit it's also right after Bowl games. I'm sure if he is as horrible as you claim people will call him out and he will drop like a rock. But I doubt he does cause i doubt he is as bad as you are trying to claim he is.

CLEVELandMILIDH

Baylor runs an option style one read offense, Oklahoma's spread requires Landry to go through reads. So they don't really run the same offense...Watch the game, then tell me I'm a liar. I don't see how anyone can watch that game and not see a gimmick system quarterback.

Harry Buffalo

@clevelandmilidh said:

Baylor runs an option style one read offense, Oklahoma's spread requires Landry to go through reads. So they don't really run the same offense...Watch the game, then tell me I'm a liar. I don't see how anyone can watch that game and not see a gimmick system quarterback.

I'm not calling you a liar I'm calling you a miss informed fan who sees what he wants. Human nature to not want to like someone and to find anything wrong with them while also covering up other people problems. I can take the Fiesta Bowl tonight and just run off reasons why Luck and Blackmon won't be good even though everything I saw just screamed future pro bowlers.

CLEVELandMILIDH

He doesn't read defenses, and doesn't have to go through progressions. Most of his scores are on 75 yard bombs. That doesn't work in the NFL. Nothing misinformed about that. Though's are key factors in NFL success, thats not nit-picking little things. Either you can do it and be successful or you can't and will be a failure.

Hempman

@clevelandmilidh said:

He doesn't read defenses, and doesn't have to go through progressions. Most of his scores are on 75 yard bombs. That doesn't work in the NFL. Nothing misinformed about that. Though's are key factors in NFL success, thats not nit-picking little things. Either you can do it and be successful or you can't and will be a failure.

The Browns WR core isn't being built for bombs either. More like 5-7 yard passes and YAC guys like Little. I see RGIII as a faster Jeff Blake. Somebody will buy the bs on the guy though.

Cobra Kai

@hempman said:
I see RGIII as a faster Jeff Blake.

Jeff Blake was a quarterback at E. Carolina for one... ONE... year. His ONLY year pass completion percentage was 55.2%.

55.2%

Now, moving right along, RG3's final year pass completion percentage... (well, it was close...) was 72.4%.

72.4%.

Soooo, you think that's the same... right? Same kind of passing efficiency?

Gee... I just can't figure out what reason you would apparently randomly compare Jeff Black... I MEAN BLAKE... 'scuse me...

... why you would say RG3 is just a faster Jeff Black... I MEAN BLAKE! Blake! You're not a racist dickbrain who only sees black skin, at all! Dammit! Why would I even think that?! Shit!

Thanks for showing us all how much of a stupid racist you are. Nah... race didn't play AAAANY factor into your dumbshit statement... at all. No way. Uh-uh. Not a chance.

miktoxic

@cobra-kai said:

Jeff Blake was a quarterback at E. Carolina for one... ONE... year. His ONLY year pass completion percentage was 55.2%.

55.2%

Now, moving right along, RG3's final year pass completion percentage... (well, it was close...) was 72.4%.

72.4%.

Soooo, you think that's the same... right? Same kind of passing efficiency.

Gee... I just can't figure out what reason you would apparently randomly compare Jeff Black... I MEAN BLAKE... 'scuse me...

... why you would say RG3 is just a faster Jeff Black... I MEAN BLAKE! Blake! You're not a racist dickbrain who only sees black skin, at all! Dammit! Why would I even think that?! Shit!

Thanks for showing us all how stupid you are. Nah... race didn't play AAAANY factor into your dumbshit statement... at all. No way. Uh-uh. Not a chance.

ok. we get it, you love rg3.

now can you get off his big BLACK cock already?

Cobra Kai

@miktoxic said:

ok. we get it, you love rg3.

now can you get off his big BLACK cock already?

1.) Fuck yeah! Who the hell wouldn't want that level of play and ceiling and firepower on our dogshit of an offense? Are you saying you don't??? If you are, then I guess only a gumball, like you, would say crap like that.

2.) I objected to the comparison of RG3 to Jeff fucking Blake. Again... if you aren't... only a Scooby, like you, would say shit like that.

Pfft...

P.S.

Andrew Luck is my first choice at QB... butthole. Zong!

b86b

take Blackmon and don't look back... kid is gonna be special

BrownsKidd

This is so tough. I would be happy with RG3. He is the poster pick face of a franchise guy. Speed, Talent, Arm. His frame scares me a little. Blackmon looks great, as long as his ego isn't as big as his talent. We need to short up our OL and I think we need a stud Linebacker.

Neo

Unless we make a play for Holmes, I would go with

1st pick Blackmon

1st #2 Michael Floyd

And I would take a flier on Case Keenum, don't know where he is projected. I am also not sold on Greg Little yet....that's why I took two WR in first.

EDIT

I picked No in the poll. We can get more playmakers in the 1st and still get a QB later. Matt Flynn is also an option in FA

Harry Buffalo

@clevelandmilidh said:

He doesn't read defenses, and doesn't have to go through progressions. Most of his scores are on 75 yard bombs. That doesn't work in the NFL. Nothing misinformed about that. Though's are key factors in NFL success, thats not nit-picking little things. Either you can do it and be successful or you can't and will be a failure.

As I've said I would care if we drafted RGIII or if we stuck with Colt cause I know that someone more knowledgeable that both you me and this entire board combined is making the decision. What pisses me off is that you are clamoring for Jones based off a game where he put up big numbers in and also gimmicky offense against the worst defense in college football.