Browns Hire Offensive Assistant
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Full bio from Rams website:
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commit to giving your friends jobs. st. louis has put up some of the worse offensive numbers in the past under these schmucks.
not saying that one day that they might not be good, but it's great that the team you root for has to be their building block for on-the-job training.
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so he's progressed since then i see. he's that good that no one has thought to promote him.
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lol. not trying to be cranky. just not sold on everything holmgren. i know he's the guy now blah blah blah. just amazing to see how the holmgren lineage is being taken care of even after he sucked as pres. of the seahawks.
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Sucked with the Seahawks ? He took them to the SB. You wouldnt be somewhat happy with that?
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where did i say i was talking about holmgren as a coach??
here's a great quote i found about mike holmgren's tenure as their GM:
Holmgren's tenure as Seahawks GM was very forgettable. Maybe he could point to the flawed relationship between himself and Whitsitt during his years as GM. Whatever the reason, he was removed from his GM position because he did not get the job done during the four years he had his shot. No doubt that another team will give him the reigns of an organization again. I seriously doubt that the outcome will be any different than his time as GM with the Seahawks. Mike Holmgren's over-loyalty to certain coaches and players, his inability to properly evaluate talent, and his stubbornness will lead - in my estimation - to another failed GM tenure.
not for nothing if he doesn't learn how to bend a little bit here and there with this WCO and his loyalty to it, maybe adapt here and there.....i see a lot of what i bolded becoming true. as a matter of fact it's pretty dead on so far except of course now he's a team president. ughh.
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Have to agree with Miktoxic.
The hire so far seems like hiring pals who know the system. We shall see the product they put on the field and then decide.
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where did i say i was talking about holmgren as a coach??
here's a great quote i found about mike holmgren's tenure as their GM:
Holmgren's tenure as Seahawks GM was very forgettable. Maybe he could point to the flawed relationship between himself and Whitsitt during his years as GM. Whatever the reason, he was removed from his GM position because he did not get the job done during the four years he had his shot. No doubt that another team will give him the reigns of an organization again. I seriously doubt that the outcome will be any different than his time as GM with the Seahawks. Mike Holmgren's over-loyalty to certain coaches and players, his inability to properly evaluate talent, and his stubbornness will lead - in my estimation - to another failed GM tenure.
not for nothing if he doesn't learn how to bend a little bit here and there with this WCO and his loyalty to it, maybe adapt here and there.....i see a lot of what i bolded becoming true. as a matter of fact it's pretty dead on so far except of course now he's a team president. ughh.
where did i say i was talking about holmgren as a coach??
here's a great quote i found about mike holmgren's tenure as their GM:
Holmgren's tenure as Seahawks GM was very forgettable. Maybe he could point to the flawed relationship between himself and Whitsitt during his years as GM. Whatever the reason, he was removed from his GM position because he did not get the job done during the four years he had his shot. No doubt that another team will give him the reigns of an organization again. I seriously doubt that the outcome will be any different than his time as GM with the Seahawks. Mike Holmgren's over-loyalty to certain coaches and players, his inability to properly evaluate talent, and his stubbornness will lead - in my estimation - to another failed GM tenure.
not for nothing if he doesn't learn how to bend a little bit here and there with this WCO and his loyalty to it, maybe adapt here and there.....i see a lot of what i bolded becoming true. as a matter of fact it's pretty dead on so far except of course now he's a team president. ughh.
The key is that he is the team Prez, not the GM. The biggest job of a GM, and the biggest area of success or failure....is in talent evaluation. Thankfully, we have someone else here doing that whom I believe to be very competent at that (more competent than Holmgren) in Heckert.
But, yes, clearly he is still loyal to people. Time will tell eventually if that is a good or a bad thing.
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where did i say i was talking about holmgren as a coach??
here's a great quote i found about mike holmgren's tenure as their GM:
Holmgren's tenure as Seahawks GM was very forgettable. Maybe he could point to the flawed relationship between himself and Whitsitt during his years as GM. Whatever the reason, he was removed from his GM position because he did not get the job done during the four years he had his shot. No doubt that another team will give him the reigns of an organization again. I seriously doubt that the outcome will be any different than his time as GM with the Seahawks. Mike Holmgren's over-loyalty to certain coaches and players, his inability to properly evaluate talent, and his stubbornness will lead - in my estimation - to another failed GM tenure.
not for nothing if he doesn't learn how to bend a little bit here and there with this WCO and his loyalty to it, maybe adapt here and there.....i see a lot of what i bolded becoming true. as a matter of fact it's pretty dead on so far except of course now he's a team president. ughh.
The key is that he is the team Prez, not the GM. The biggest job of a GM, and the biggest area of success or failure....is in talent evaluation. Thankfully, we have someone else here doing that whom I believe to be very competent at that (more competent than Holmgren) in Heckert.
But, yes, clearly he is still loyal to people. Time will tell eventually if that is a good or a bad thing.
The key is that he is the team Prez, not the GM. The biggest job of a GM, and the biggest area of success or failure....is in talent evaluation. Thankfully, we have someone else here doing that whom I believe to be very competent at that (more competent than Holmgren) in Heckert.
But, yes, clearly he is still loyal to people. Time will tell eventually if that is a good or a bad thing.
Thats what i was going to say Gip, if it werent for Heckert i believe we would be in serious trouble..He is the only one i truly have any faith in
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I don't know if he's a good coach or not, but I assume he brings extreme athletic competitiveness to anyone he coaches simply because as a player he was the absolute epitome of a hard hitting fearless player. One of my all time favorite players, I think he's a positive on your staff.
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Makes me wonder if Sherman dosent land the TB job is he more than likely the OC?? Also if we do get Sherman does that make Tannehill a more likely pick for us???
I agree that this is a move to try and get Sherman here if he doesn't get the TB head coaching job. He was Sherman's OC at Texas A$M.Makes me wonder if Sherman dosent land the TB job is he more than likely the OC?? Also if we do get Sherman does that make Tannehill a more likely pick for us???
I would think that if Sherman comes here that it would certainly increase the likelihood of Tannehill coming here.
I will agree that it will get Tannehill some more looks, but Tannehill really started not because he was overly good, but because he was just the best they had. The final decision on any QB draft pick comes down to Holmgren and I think we only see Tannehill in a Brown's uniform if he falls to the 3rd... but he will go way before that.
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The key is that he is the team Prez, not the GM. The biggest job of a GM, and the biggest area of success or failure....is in talent evaluation. Thankfully, we have someone else here doing that whom I believe to be very competent at that (more competent than Holmgren) in Heckert.
But, yes, clearly he is still loyal to people. Time will tell eventually if that is a good or a bad thing.
Thats what i was going to say Gip, if it werent for Heckert i believe we would be in serious trouble..He is the only one i truly have any faith in
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Rumor has it that, Bruce Arians is on his way out in Pittsburgh, would anyone like to see him return to Cleveland ?
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Rumor has it that, Bruce Arians is on his way out in Pittsburgh, would anyone like to see him return to Cleveland ?
Rumor has it that, Bruce Arians is on his way out in Pittsburgh, would anyone like to see him return to Cleveland ?
More importantly for them, it appears that Dick LeBeau is going to continue as DC:
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DC is good but, he seemed to have forgotten everything he knew about football when they lost to the Broncos. No over the top help for the corners, acting like Tebow was Barry Sanders, allowing possibly the worse QB in the NFL to torch them for over 300 yards. His arrogance or drinking the Tebow Koolaide lost that game for them. DC has to be flawless because Arians is such a horrible OC. An Arians offense is only good when Ben is having a great day and making something out of nothing. Never will you see a Steelers offense put a beat down on a defense, confuse a defense, have a defense on their heals despite the weapons they have.
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Rumor has it that, Bruce Arians is on his way out in Pittsburgh, would anyone like to see him return to Cleveland ?
Rumor has it that, Bruce Arians is on his way out in Pittsburgh, would anyone like to see him return to Cleveland ?
Yes...I thought he did well with what was available to work with.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Great players can make bad coaches look good. Bad players can make good coaches look bad. Hopefully we can get some balance and draft some great players cuz we know the head coach ain't so good this far.
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In Pittsburgh some hang their hats on Arians was of the era with the Browns when the Browns were doing well so.........they think that makes him a good coach at this current time.
To change the subject, I thought we would see Holmgrens influence on the Browns team so far but, maybe I'm missing something. I guess they didn't build Rome in a year as the saying goes.
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sucks for you guys that Pittsburgh is now in the hunt for an OC.
you DO know we'll get first pick of any candidate don't you?
whoever it is, enjoy our leftovers. HA!
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben.
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