Brock Osweiler
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If I were H&H I wouldn't touch this guy with a 10 foot pole.
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First question... what's his football IQ?
I don't care if he's 6'6", if he's a football dunce, any pick would be a waste... On the other hand you might be able to convert him to TE...
As for DA... he was a dunce. Got away with being a first read wonder for one-year, then it was all downhill.
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I think the resentment is over the fact that we felt that he should have continued to play at the level that he showed in that one season. But he didn't. He choked up a furball for the rest of his time here (and for the rest of his career), yet his potential seemed so high.
It pisses people off when players underachieve so badly.
The same sentiment exist toward Braylon, and maybe a little against K2.
We felt they should have played at 2007 level for the next 3-4 years. But they sucked big time.
To be fair, it's not like we drafted DA in the first round and he had all this hype, then came in and totally shit the bed. He was a 6th round draft choice that we got off of someone else's waiver wire. I mean, what are the expectations for a 6th round quarterback NOT named Tom Brady? We got one winning season out of a 6th rounder, I would say that was bonus. We drafted McCoy in the 3rd, and we are getting whats expected out of a 3rd round guy. We got more out of DA than we got out of McCoy so far.
To be fair, it's not like we drafted DA in the first round and he had all this hype, then came in and totally shit the bed. He was a 6th round draft choice that we got off of someone else's waiver wire. I mean, what are the expectations for a 6th round quarterback NOT named Tom Brady? We got one winning season out of a 6th rounder, I would say that was bonus. We drafted McCoy in the 3rd, and we are getting whats expected out of a 3rd round guy. We got more out of DA than we got out of McCoy so far.
My 2 cents why people dislike DA is the reality that he was only good for about 8 games in 2007. Once the league figured out he couldn't hit anything but the deep passes, or read a D to save his live, they started playing cover 3 on him and he was done. Even with all that CLE then over paid him, rather than moving him when his stock was higher than his actual ability. I guess in the end fans should be more upset with that management than DA.
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I think the bottom line for me anyway is that I'm sick and tired of taking project QB's. Sure, on occasion they turn out great but the browns have a terrible track record of making that reality.
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I think the resentment is over the fact that we felt that he should have continued to play at the level that he showed in that one season. But he didn't. He choked up a furball for the rest of his time here (and for the rest of his career), yet his potential seemed so high.
It pisses people off when players underachieve so badly.
The same sentiment exist toward Braylon, and maybe a little against K2.
We felt they should have played at 2007 level for the next 3-4 years. But they sucked big time.
To be fair, it's not like we drafted DA in the first round and he had all this hype, then came in and totally shit the bed. He was a 6th round draft choice that we got off of someone else's waiver wire. I mean, what are the expectations for a 6th round quarterback NOT named Tom Brady? We got one winning season out of a 6th rounder, I would say that was bonus. We drafted McCoy in the 3rd, and we are getting whats expected out of a 3rd round guy. We got more out of DA than we got out of McCoy so far.
To be fair, it's not like we drafted DA in the first round and he had all this hype, then came in and totally shit the bed. He was a 6th round draft choice that we got off of someone else's waiver wire. I mean, what are the expectations for a 6th round quarterback NOT named Tom Brady? We got one winning season out of a 6th rounder, I would say that was bonus. We drafted McCoy in the 3rd, and we are getting whats expected out of a 3rd round guy. We got more out of DA than we got out of McCoy so far.
After the year he had in 2007, we expected Tom Brady....or at least the 2007 version of DA.
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First question... what's his football IQ?
I don't care if he's 6'6", if he's a football dunce, any pick would be a waste... On the other hand you might be able to convert him to TE...
As for DA... he was a dunce. Got away with being a first read wonder for one-year, then it was all downhill.
First question... what's his football IQ?
I don't care if he's 6'6", if he's a football dunce, any pick would be a waste... On the other hand you might be able to convert him to TE...
As for DA... he was a dunce. Got away with being a first read wonder for one-year, then it was all downhill.
Actually, he is 6'8". Can you say "Dan McGwire"?
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He would be a reach in the first round. I would not even think about drafting him until the 3rd round.
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Hmmm... He only threw 13 INTs last year, huh?
So why would the Browns draft him late in the 1st when they could do what's necessary to get the guy at the top of the draft who threw 17 picks in his entire three year playing career?
Sometimes we Browns fans like to complicate matters. I refuse to accept it this year. Draft RGIII.
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Hmmm... He only threw 13 INTs last year, huh?
So why would the Browns draft him late in the 1st when they could do what's necessary to get the guy at the top of the draft who threw 17 picks in his entire three year playing career?
Sometimes we Browns fans like to complicate matters. I refuse to accept it this year. Draft RGIII.
Hmmm... He only threw 13 INTs last year, huh?
So why would the Browns draft him late in the 1st when they could do what's necessary to get the guy at the top of the draft who threw 17 picks in his entire three year playing career?
Sometimes we Browns fans like to complicate matters. I refuse to accept it this year. Draft RGIII.
I didn't realize you ran the Cleveland Browns.
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To be fair, it's not like we drafted DA in the first round and he had all this hype, then came in and totally shit the bed. He was a 6th round draft choice that we got off of someone else's waiver wire. I mean, what are the expectations for a 6th round quarterback NOT named Tom Brady? We got one winning season out of a 6th rounder, I would say that was bonus. We drafted McCoy in the 3rd, and we are getting whats expected out of a 3rd round guy. We got more out of DA than we got out of McCoy so far.
My 2 cents why people dislike DA is the reality that he was only good for about 8 games in 2007. Once the league figured out he couldn't hit anything but the deep passes, or read a D to save his live, they started playing cover 3 on him and he was done. Even with all that CLE then over paid him, rather than moving him when his stock was higher than his actual ability. I guess in the end fans should be more upset with that management than DA.
My 2 cents why people dislike DA is the reality that he was only good for about 8 games in 2007. Once the league figured out he couldn't hit anything but the deep passes, or read a D to save his live, they started playing cover 3 on him and he was done. Even with all that CLE then over paid him, rather than moving him when his stock was higher than his actual ability. I guess in the end fans should be more upset with that management than DA.
Thank you, that's how I feel. Sorry to the OP, I didn't mean to derail the thread, but I think that needed to be pointed out. I am not defending DA, I just think he receives more criticism than he should. I mean, didn't people cheer when he was lying on the field injured? That's a little too harsh. And certainly doesn't deserve to be put in the same category as Lebron as one poster suggested. (edit) Don't get me wrong, I was screaming at my TV as much as the next person watching throw some of those INT's, I still think fans were too hard on him. Not having enough talent to live up to expections, and pulling the heart out of Cleveland fans , are two totally different things.
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Zombo said:
Anderson was a 6th round waiver wire refugee who had a nice season and brought some smiles around here, then crashed to earth.
Quinn is the one Browns fans should "hate", if anyone. He cost us a ransom and gave us nothing.
I wasn't surprised that Chud went out and got DA to back up Newton in Carolina.
I also wasn't surprised that Quinn couldn't beat out a fullback to play quarterback in Denver.
As for Brock Ostrich ...only saw him play once, wasn't particularly impressed, but that doesn't mean anything ... but that's almost too tall for a QB isn't it? Gives pass rushers quite a target without adding any real advantage to seeing the field, imo.
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If height does not give a QB an advantage in seeing the field, then why are NFL people always looking for taller QBs? And why would some argue that lack of height is a detriment to a QB seeing the field?
I mean, that attitude kept Doug Flutie out of the NFL for years...when clearly he showed he belonged in the NFL once he got here.
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Zombo said:
I'm saying the difference between 6'6" and 6'8" is not probably much of a competitive advantage because there aren't too many lineman taller than 6'6". But you sure are a big target back there for a lineman spinning around ... I think Ben takes a lot of sacks because of his size. This guy better have a quick release or he's going to get a pounding. He may be "mobile", but I doubt he's "elusive".
Zombo
Sure, as long as he can move in the pocket to avoid the rush like BR or Brady or Manning, fine. He doesn't have to be Cam Newton or Michael Vick or Tim Tebow.
As long as he can do that I would think his height would be an advantage against those 6'6" defensive linemen. In theory.
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Here are highlights of his game vs. USC.
He seems to have decent touch and a quick release. He is also a better runner, more athletic than I thought he might be. His arm strength seems to be an issue only because on this film I do not see where he is at all asked to throw very far downfield. This looks like Pat Shurmur's offense of dinks and dunks...so maybe he would be a perfect fit here?
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This guy is a pretty great overall athlete. Being from Montana like he is I sure remember reading a lot about him and he was pretty far and away the best athlete in the state and in multiple sports. He was at one point committed to playing basketball at Gonzaga. The last athlete from Montana this good was probably Ryan Leaf.
That said, his release is nowhere close to being ready. He really doesn't look like a natural Quarterback. It's going to take a few years on the bench to get him ready. I hate drafting guys who have to completely rework a throwing motion, it almost never works because when the pressure is on they usually revert back to what they did for years in high school and college.
I don't know who is going to draft him in the first round. I can't see a good team passing over a potential contributor for a project like him that early.
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No.
Arizona State's play caller during that game was a 12 year old Madden player.
Swing pass, swing pass, swing pass, dive, PA swing pass, bubble screen, swing pass.
That would make any QBs stats look good. Unfortunately, an NFL QB it does not make.
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I just watched the ASU vs. Missouri game last night. I really liked the Big QB BROCK. I heard during the game that he had been sprinting up the nearby mountains to get ready for the season. I thought initially that the kid would have to be a statue back there but in reality he moves really great. He doesn't look to big to play the position. He threw some nice deep balls and had a really athletic QB scramble for a touchdown. I was watching for Vontaze Burfict, who really jumps the snaps like polypoopoo, but I came away impressed by both the QB and the Cornerback... his name escapes me. I also thought the little guy Plugrad-I think his name was.
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A lot of people get caught up in throwing motion and mechanics but IF you can get the ball where it needs to go, who cares what it looks like getting there? Wasn't Kosar the poster child for ugly?- but he could still deliver the ball.
A lot of people get caught up in throwing motion and mechanics but IF you can get the ball where it needs to go, who cares what it looks like getting there? Wasn't Kosar the poster child for ugly?- but he could still deliver the ball.
Agreed you can get it done with an ugly throwing motion, i just dont know if his release is quick enough but i wont doubt him that he cant succeed at the next level..
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No.
Arizona State's play caller during that game was a 12 year old Madden player.
Swing pass, swing pass, swing pass, dive, PA swing pass, bubble screen, swing pass.
That would make any QBs stats look good. Unfortunately, an NFL QB it does not make.
No.
Arizona State's play caller during that game was a 12 year old Madden player.
Swing pass, swing pass, swing pass, dive, PA swing pass, bubble screen, swing pass.
That would make any QBs stats look good. Unfortunately, an NFL QB it does not make.
OK, he's more mobile than DA, I'll grant him that.
Fairly good velocity on his passes, but like you said I want to see more than swing passes to backs. Like can you look off a saftey, and read defenses? Looks like a not over the top throwing motion either, which negates some of his height. If he lasts to low 4th round, sure take a flyer on him. He may not last that long, but I doubt I saw first round talent.
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