The Rg3 Bidding War Has Begun
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No need to do that much analysis since Heckert would never give up that much for one pick..
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I know griffin has had a great combine but I dont believe that draft rumor Washington would be crazy to offer that much and im an RG3 fan...If I was Cleveland id offer our 4th and 22nd along with a middle round pick somewhere hopefully are extra 4th rounder from Atlanta,but I dont see Washington offering that much I think the most they would do would be this years first next years first as well as a 2nd somewhere...I mean you have to think why offer such a crazy number upfront the browns or skins are going to try an lowball until the other team sees its ridicilous to continue which would happen way before they got as far as this rumor suggests
@king-ghoolie-lives said:
In High school and college I asked out the most beautiful women...College? You're shitting us, right?
And "asking" ain't dating...
I know griffin has had a great combine...
Correction... he had a great 40 time and jumped high and far.
If the Redskins offer is true- that's enough value to not only move up to #2 to take Griffin, it's enough to move up to #1 to take Luck.
Here's a case for the Rams rumored offer. With Luck effectively off of the board to the Colts, maybe even including pre-draft negotiations and signing, then effectively the Rams have the #1 pick.
Add to the above at least one team who is completely sold on RGIII and his "1b" status in the draft, and they will assemble a #1 worthy package to move to the #2 slot.
We're not there...
We hope H&H aren't there...
But it does seem that Snyderville is there...
"RGIII-2-DC"
I like the sound of that...
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Daniel Snyder has always been a bit of an idiot, and overpays for everything. It is one of the reasons the Redskins have been one of the worst teams in the league for 20 years now.
The reports are that the Browns have sent signals that they are not interested in trading up to get RGIII. Good....but my question is: why would the Redskins bid against themselves?
Because of Snyder's insanity?
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As much as I would love to draft RG3, I just don't think we should give that much up to get him. We do have holes to fill. I'm torn. Part of me is like... just frickin' do what we need to do to get it done, yet, I think about TWO FIRST ROUNDERS... Blackmon, O-Line or LineBacker.. Or even Blackmon and Wright... to WR's. That would have to make any QB better. I don't know. It's like shoppin' for a car. Unless you have absolutely fallen in love with something, sometimes it can be daunting with all the options out there. There is a lot of pressure to make the right decision.
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No, you're confused. Canton Mike got it. You can't get past your Griffin Man-Crush. The Redskins (theoretical) offer IS superior to yours. In fact, it's flat out stupid to those of us who happen to be objective about the situation.
I'll spell it out as simply as I can. If the Redskins offer is true- that's enough value to not only move up to #2 to take Griffin, it's enough to move up to #1 to take Luck.
I fervently hope H&H aren't going to be dumb enough to give away THREE premium picks to move up two draft slots.
IF the Rams would take the Redskins potential offer (they'd be fools not to) Kalil and Blackmon (two blue chip prospects at positions of dire need for the Rams) will be off the board. The Vikings will take one (most likely Kalil) - the Browns will have the other sitting in their laps. So it's time for the Browns to play reverse screw job- hold the Rams hostage.
You need to extract the "Blackmon is a top 5 lock" logic from your brain.
He's not a top 5 lock, so there is value for STL to trade back to #6 because I believe both Blackmon (if he doesn't run 4.49 or lower) and Floyd (or Rieff) will be there for them to choose.
I don't think the Browns want Blackmon or Richardson @ #4 so therefore it makes trading UP even more of a necessity.
Getting back to which package is more valuable, I think the Rams value #22 more than a 2013 #1 pick from Washington because they have players scouted and are dealing with a known variable.
#4
#22
#33
#66
#96
#100/#118
If the take take the Browns trade, they'll have their choice of four of the top 66 players with them being able to get an impact OT (Rieff) and Receiver (Hill, Jeffrey, Wright) that can be the foundation of their offense for years to come.
If they take the Redskins offer:
#6
#33
#39
#66
#70
#96
Redskins offer includes their #39 + #70 but does that equal #22 + #100 or #118?
What do you think?
#6 + #39 + #70 <<<< #4 + #22 + #100 or #118?
It's not even close.
And in your scenario you had the Rams trading #6 + #33 to the Browns to get back up to #4?????
Why do that when they can make the Browns trade amd keep #33 while getting #4 + #22??
Your post continues to not make any sense just like I stated originally.
If you want to talk about Washington's 2013 #1, then the Browns 2nd rounder continues to make their deal superior but I doubt they even have to include it.
Browns #4 + #22 + 4th rounder (Falcons or our's if it seals the deal) beats any Washington offer that has went public.
You need to extract the "Blackmon is a top 5 lock" logic from your brain.
He's not a top 5 lock, so there is value for STL to trade back to #6 because I believe both Blackmon (if he doesn't run 4.49 or lower) and Floyd (or Rieff) will be there for them to choose.
I don't think the Browns want Blackmon or Richardson @ #4 so therefore it makes trading UP even more of a necessity.
Getting back to which package is more valuable, I think the Rams value #22 more than a 2013 #1 pick from Washington because they have players scouted and are dealing with a known variable.
#4
#22
#33
#66
#96
#100/#118
If the take take the Browns trade, they'll have their choice of four of the top 66 players with them being able to get an impact OT (Rieff) and Receiver (Hill, Jeffrey, Wright) that can be the foundation of their offense for years to come.
If they take the Redskins offer:
#6
#33
#39
#66
#70
#96
Redskins offer includes their #39 + #70 but does that equal #22 + #100 or #118?
What do you think?
I think what I have always thought: If the Rams want to give us #2 in exchange for #4 and #66, fine. And I might throw in the Browns 3rd rounder in 2013.
And, by the way: all accounts are that the Browns brain trust is thinking along my lines. So be it.
#6 + #39 + #70 <<<< #4 + #22 + #100 or #118?
It's not even close.
And in your scenario you had the Rams trading #6 + #33 to the Browns to get back up to #4?????
Why do that when they can make the Browns trade amd keep #33 while getting #4 + #22??
Your post continues to not make any sense just like I stated originally.
If you want to talk about Washington's 2013 #1, then the Browns 2nd rounder continues to make their deal superior but I doubt they even have to include it.
Browns #4 + #22 + 4th rounder (Falcons or our's if it seals the deal) beats any Washington offer that has went public.
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Daniel Snyder has always been a bit of an idiot, and overpays for everything. It is one of the reasons the Redskins have been one of the worst teams in the league for 20 years now.
The reports are that the Browns have sent signals that they are not interested in trading up to get RGIII. Good....but my question is: why would the Redskins bid against themselves?
Because of Snyder's insanity?
Daniel Snyder has always been a bit of an idiot, and overpays for everything. It is one of the reasons the Redskins have been one of the worst teams in the league for 20 years now.
The reports are that the Browns have sent signals that they are not interested in trading up to get RGIII. Good....but my question is: why would the Redskins bid against themselves?
Because of Snyder's insanity?
Have to also keep in mind the Redskins interest in Peyton Manning. They are rumored to be right there with Miami and Arizona in terms of teams with the most interest in picking him up should the Colts release him. That would change things in the draft as well.
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I dont want to skim through all of this, but a good point was made about the Skins and trading there pick. I think that it is safe to say the Rams want either Blackmon or Kalil. The only way they get either of those players is if they trade with the Browns or stay put. With the Vikings Browns and Buccs all slated to pick before the Skins (arguably the front runner at RGIII because Dan Snyder is a Retard) the Skins have to decide if they want Riley Reiff or Michael Floyd as their two replacements. That is unless they decide to go Claiborne or someone else. But I would think their board stacks up as Kalil or Blackmon as the one and two.
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RG3 sure has some great measurables for a WR.
After all, that's what he'll be in a couple years.
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This article is worth a read:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7607706/robert-griffin-iii-many-teams-buzzing-excitement
Seems to be pretty level headed, but was written before the combine. I think a ton of this buzz is media driven seeking a compelling story and we all need to take a step back and remember that NFL front offices rarely listen to what the media has to say...
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Daniel Snyder has always been a bit of an idiot, and overpays for everything. It is one of the reasons the Redskins have been one of the worst teams in the league for 20 years now.
The reports are that the Browns have sent signals that they are not interested in trading up to get RGIII. Good....but my question is: why would the Redskins bid against themselves?
Because of Snyder's insanity?
Daniel Snyder has always been a bit of an idiot, and overpays for everything. It is one of the reasons the Redskins have been one of the worst teams in the league for 20 years now.
The reports are that the Browns have sent signals that they are not interested in trading up to get RGIII. Good....but my question is: why would the Redskins bid against themselves?
Because of Snyder's insanity?
Fwiw, Dan Snyder isn't calling the shots anymore.
Its a Shanahan-Bruce Allen run organization now.
And as for why the Skins would be bidding against themselves?
Probably to insure that no one can (or is willing) to beat their offer.
And also take this into account: The Skins have had 18 draft picks over the past two drafts...so giving up some picks won't kill them.
Plus, they have almost 50m to spend on free agents.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
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I am the most gregarious guy you would ever want to meet. People who know me will tell you that I never met a stranger. But this is football dude. The Browns suck the pork plank and they aren't getting any better.
The team needs to be gutted because our players have a losing mentality. I would fire the entire crew and start over. Seriously, that is the only chance this squad has. The players are all shit.
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Being reported on twitter that the Rams will trade the #2 pick.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal.
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The asking price for RG3 is steep. If a bidding war starts it can get very steep. Teams like the Browns and Rams and Bills have way too many depth and quality needs to trade a lot of value picks for ONE super-value pick. If we can identify an alternate means of getting a serviceable QB, or some one who we feel will be a good fit, why should we get into a bidding war with the Redskins? Why dont we try to trade our picks with the Redskins for their picks? Surely it will cost the Skins less picks than trading to #2 and we get more draft picks to improve our depth.
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It's funny that Peyton Manning essentially is dictating the future of the NFL.
If Manning wasn't hurt like he is, Andrew Luck probably wouldn't end up in Indy. Even if they were picking first overall. Assuming Peyton were healthy, the Colts could forseeanly trade out of the first pick and receive an kings ransom, strengthening their roster immensly and adding a Tannehill or Osweiler to sit and learn under Manning, a la Rodgers and Green Bay.
Some say they wouldn't pass up on Luck, but Manning believes he has 4 or 5 years left and by adding a large amount of high round picks to surround Manning they would be favorites for a couple more Super Bowls.
That would enable another team to trade up to first for Luck, which would then give the Browns a better chance to trade up for RG3, which some of you would cream your pants over.
So blame Peyton for us not getting RG3.
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Being reported on twitter that the Rams will trade the #2 pick.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal.
Being reported on twitter that the Rams will trade the #2 pick.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal.
Yup, heard that on ESPN. We have to hope Washington ends up with Manning, or else we're going to have to consider giving up something along those lines.
& Lets go back to the Ryan Leaf trade- the Chargers gave up two firsts a second, and Eric Metcalf.
It's damn obvious whoever wants to move up to #2 is going to have to overpay for the pick.
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I don't see the Browns trading up. Our front office isn't one that's going to take risks, especially not on offense. In all reality I think it's about a 5% chance we can get the #2 pick.
I think the only advantage we have is that St. Louis will get the 4th, meaning they wouldn't have to drop that far down in the draft. But we're not giving up the 22 so what are the other options? a 2013 1st? I'd give that up in a heartbeat and we're so bad that's almost a guaranteed top 10 pick for the Rams next year. Maybe package the 2012 2nd and 2013 1st?
But like I said, we don't take risks. I have a feeling they are so dead set on the WCO they will completely look past RG3's talent.
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they want 2 first rounders a 2nd and a fifth....there goes 80% of our draft for chumley the big grinned full-of himself- rastafarian. i'd hire you guys in a heartbeat....to clean my balls and toilet.
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No, you're confused. Canton Mike got it. You can't get past your Griffin Man-Crush. The Redskins (theoretical) offer IS superior to yours. In fact, it's flat out stupid to those of us who happen to be objective about the situation.
I'll spell it out as simply as I can. If the Redskins offer is true- that's enough value to not only move up to #2 to take Griffin, it's enough to move up to #1 to take Luck.
I fervently hope H&H aren't going to be dumb enough to give away THREE premium picks to move up two draft slots.
IF the Rams would take the Redskins potential offer (they'd be fools not to) Kalil and Blackmon (two blue chip prospects at positions of dire need for the Rams) will be off the board. The Vikings will take one (most likely Kalil) - the Browns will have the other sitting in their laps. So it's time for the Browns to play reverse screw job- hold the Rams hostage.
You need to extract the "Blackmon is a top 5 lock" logic from your brain.
He's not a top 5 lock, so there is value for STL to trade back to #6 because I believe both Blackmon (if he doesn't run 4.49 or lower) and Floyd (or Rieff) will be there for them to choose.
I don't think the Browns want Blackmon or Richardson @ #4 so therefore it makes trading UP even more of a necessity.
Getting back to which package is more valuable, I think the Rams value #22 more than a 2013 #1 pick from Washington because they have players scouted and are dealing with a known variable.
#4
#22
#33
#66
#96
#100/#118
If the take take the Browns trade, they'll have their choice of four of the top 66 players with them being able to get an impact OT (Rieff) and Receiver (Hill, Jeffrey, Wright) that can be the foundation of their offense for years to come.
If they take the Redskins offer:
#6
#33
#39
#66
#70
#96
Redskins offer includes their #39 + #70 but does that equal #22 + #100 or #118?
What do you think?
#6 + #39 + #70 <<<< #4 + #22 + #100 or #118?
It's not even close.
And in your scenario you had the Rams trading #6 + #33 to the Browns to get back up to #4?????
Why do that when they can make the Browns trade amd keep #33 while getting #4 + #22??
Your post continues to not make any sense just like I stated originally.
If you want to talk about Washington's 2013 #1, then the Browns 2nd rounder continues to make their deal superior but I doubt they even have to include it.
Browns #4 + #22 + 4th rounder (Falcons or our's if it seals the deal) beats any Washington offer that has went public.
You need to extract the "Blackmon is a top 5 lock" logic from your brain.
He's not a top 5 lock, so there is value for STL to trade back to #6 because I believe both Blackmon (if he doesn't run 4.49 or lower) and Floyd (or Rieff) will be there for them to choose.
I don't think the Browns want Blackmon or Richardson @ #4 so therefore it makes trading UP even more of a necessity.
Getting back to which package is more valuable, I think the Rams value #22 more than a 2013 #1 pick from Washington because they have players scouted and are dealing with a known variable.
#4
#22
#33
#66
#96
#100/#118
If the take take the Browns trade, they'll have their choice of four of the top 66 players with them being able to get an impact OT (Rieff) and Receiver (Hill, Jeffrey, Wright) that can be the foundation of their offense for years to come.
If they take the Redskins offer:
#6
#33
#39
#66
#70
#96
Redskins offer includes their #39 + #70 but does that equal #22 + #100 or #118?
What do you think?
#6 + #39 + #70 <<<< #4 + #22 + #100 or #118?
It's not even close.
And in your scenario you had the Rams trading #6 + #33 to the Browns to get back up to #4?????
Why do that when they can make the Browns trade amd keep #33 while getting #4 + #22??
Your post continues to not make any sense just like I stated originally.
If you want to talk about Washington's 2013 #1, then the Browns 2nd rounder continues to make their deal superior but I doubt they even have to include it.
Browns #4 + #22 + 4th rounder (Falcons or our's if it seals the deal) beats any Washington offer that has went public.
It doesn't make sense to you why the Rams would trade a second rounder to the Browns to move from the 6 to the 4 instead of just doing the trade with the Browns??
It is simple really ... the Browns don't seem like they are going to trade the 22 and the 4 for the 2. So the trade you think the Rams would make doesn't exsist. And if they were to take the Skins offer they will most likely miss out on drafting Blackmon because there is a good chance the Browns do draft him or atleast bluff and show signs that they are going to draft him so they can force the Rams hand if need be.
I wouldn't consider making any deals with the Rams that is going to make us lose 4 or 5 picks. If RGIII is there at 4 I can live with us takin him. I wouldn't sell the farm when we have so many holes though. We can always draft next years sexy top QB after we fill out the roster this year. There is a top QB prospect in almost every draft.
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Being reported on twitter that the Rams will trade the #2 pick.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal.
Being reported on twitter that the Rams will trade the #2 pick.
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal.
So I know the draft chart is being "thrown out the window" with the new contracts for rookies and competition driving up prices for the #2 slot this year, but I wanted to compare this 2004 trade to the one that will occur this year.
1st of all, in 2004, the Chargers picked Eli Manning with the #1 pick overall in the draft (not the #2 like the Rams will) as we know, the draft picks are exponentially more valuable closer to the top of the draft. The Giants traded their 2004 round 1, 3, and 5 picks and their 2005 round 1 pick to move from #4 to #1 to get Eli.
So if this year's trade is going to mirror the trade in 2004, there are 2 big differences. One, as mentioned we would trade from #4 to #2 (not #1) and for the "second best QB" in the draft and not the "best QB" (in Luck). Secondly, we would be able to offer the Rams 2 first round picks THIS year, experts say current draft picks are valued much higher than future picks.
Considering those 2 differences, I think a reasonable trade would be the #4, #22 and one of our 4th round picks this year for the #2 spot, which doesnt seem that outrageous if our front office is sold on RGIII.. But if the Redskins, or whoever, offer way more than that, obviously the past trades go out the window so Im not sure. But that value for the trade makes sense to me...
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