The Rg3 Bidding War Has Begun
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I just watched RGIII on NFL network in an interview with Mariucci (however you spell it) and he was damn impressive in diagramming a play that the coach had done 5 minutes before with him talking the whole time asking him questions and trying to distract him.
If the kid can play like he interviews and runs, I make the trade.
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I would give up this year #4, #22 a 3rd and a 5th to move up and be done with it. Eli Manning, who I actually think is overrated, still has won two Super Bowls. So the trade was worth it. I wouldn't advocate gambling like this on any position other than QB. I think the Falcons gave up too much just for a WR in Julio Jones. I would never trade everything for a WR or RB.
^ Still not there, but have to admit the kid does present himself well...
Eli Manning, who I actually think is overrated, still has won two Super Bowls.
That's the first time I've ever seen Eli and "overrated" in the same sentence.
"Under-appreciated", more times than I can count.
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I would give up this year #4, #22 a 3rd and a 5th to move up and be done with it. Eli Manning, who I actually think is overrated, still has won two Super Bowls. So the trade was worth it. I wouldn't advocate gambling like this on any position other than QB. I think the Falcons gave up too much just for a WR in Julio Jones. I would never trade everything for a WR or RB.
I would give up this year #4, #22 a 3rd and a 5th to move up and be done with it. Eli Manning, who I actually think is overrated, still has won two Super Bowls. So the trade was worth it. I wouldn't advocate gambling like this on any position other than QB. I think the Falcons gave up too much just for a WR in Julio Jones. I would never trade everything for a WR or RB.
Never trade up for a RB... PERIOD!!! Finding a serviceable RB isn't hard, their careers are usually short, and they don't win Superbowls. QBs/WRs win Superbowls.
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Being reported on twitter that the Rams will trade the #2 pick.
Adam Schefterβ@AdamSchefter
Rams will trade No. 2 pick. Only question is where. Chargers once got two 1s, a 3 and a 5 for Eli Manning. Rams likely to get similar deal.
So I know the draft chart is being "thrown out the window" with the new contracts for rookies and competition driving up prices for the #2 slot this year, but I wanted to compare this 2004 trade to the one that will occur this year.
1st of all, in 2004, the Chargers picked Eli Manning with the #1 pick overall in the draft (not the #2 like the Rams will) as we know, the draft picks are exponentially more valuable closer to the top of the draft. The Giants traded their 2004 round 1, 3, and 5 picks and their 2005 round 1 pick to move from #4 to #1 to get Eli.
So if this year's trade is going to mirror the trade in 2004, there are 2 big differences. One, as mentioned we would trade from #4 to #2 (not #1) and for the "second best QB" in the draft and not the "best QB" (in Luck). Secondly, we would be able to offer the Rams 2 first round picks THIS year, experts say current draft picks are valued much higher than future picks.
Considering those 2 differences, I think a reasonable trade would be the #4, #22 and one of our 4th round picks this year for the #2 spot, which doesnt seem that outrageous if our front office is sold on RGIII.. But if the Redskins, or whoever, offer way more than that, obviously the past trades go out the window so Im not sure. But that value for the trade makes sense to me...
So I know the draft chart is being "thrown out the window" with the new contracts for rookies and competition driving up prices for the #2 slot this year, but I wanted to compare this 2004 trade to the one that will occur this year.
1st of all, in 2004, the Chargers picked Eli Manning with the #1 pick overall in the draft (not the #2 like the Rams will) as we know, the draft picks are exponentially more valuable closer to the top of the draft. The Giants traded their 2004 round 1, 3, and 5 picks and their 2005 round 1 pick to move from #4 to #1 to get Eli.
So if this year's trade is going to mirror the trade in 2004, there are 2 big differences. One, as mentioned we would trade from #4 to #2 (not #1) and for the "second best QB" in the draft and not the "best QB" (in Luck). Secondly, we would be able to offer the Rams 2 first round picks THIS year, experts say current draft picks are valued much higher than future picks.
Considering those 2 differences, I think a reasonable trade would be the #4, #22 and one of our 4th round picks this year for the #2 spot, which doesnt seem that outrageous if our front office is sold on RGIII.. But if the Redskins, or whoever, offer way more than that, obviously the past trades go out the window so Im not sure. But that value for the trade makes sense to me...
That is the reasonable and fair price to move up. Should the Skins push it into the stupid category, we respectfully pass- and hold Blackmon hostage to the Rams.
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Most expensive Browns jersey ever. But damn, it sure is snazzy.
Most expensive Browns jersey ever. But damn, it sure is snazzy.
You mean you would be willing to allow RGIII to wear Brady Quinn's number? Blasphemy!
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Looking at our current roster we have 12 or 13 legit starters on this team, giving up 3 or 4 potential starters for one guy just seems crazy. The kid isnt even the best QB in the draft and we are talking about paying more than when the NYG traded up to get the BEST QB in the draft. Plain and simple good teams dont make moves like this, we are talking about getting into a bidding war with the Redskins. Let that sink in and tell me that this is the right move... Yea well be competing against the same team that gave Haynesworth 100 mil.
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Most expensive Browns jersey ever. But damn, it sure is snazzy.
You mean you would be willing to allow RGIII to wear Brady Quinn's number? Blasphemy!
You mean you would be willing to allow RGIII to wear Brady Quinn's number? Blasphemy!
Come on Gip- he did wear #10 in college. Sure would have to hope he turns out better than Quinn.
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Looking at our current roster we have 12 or 13 legit starters on this team, giving up 3 or 4 potential starters for one guy just seems crazy. The kid isnt even the best QB in the draft and we are talking about paying more than when the NYG traded up to get the BEST QB in the draft. Plain and simple good teams dont make moves like this, we are talking about getting into a bidding war with the Redskins. Let that sink in and tell me that this is the right move... Yea well be competing against the same team that gave Haynesworth 100 mil.
Looking at our current roster we have 12 or 13 legit starters on this team, giving up 3 or 4 potential starters for one guy just seems crazy. The kid isnt even the best QB in the draft and we are talking about paying more than when the NYG traded up to get the BEST QB in the draft. Plain and simple good teams dont make moves like this, we are talking about getting into a bidding war with the Redskins. Let that sink in and tell me that this is the right move... Yea well be competing against the same team that gave Haynesworth 100 mil.
All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
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The Browns 1st round picks this year trump anything the skins can offer. By offerring 2nd and 3rd round picks, they are just trying to keep you from the RG3 market. Trading back to the 4th overall slot, still gives the Rams a shot at Kalil or Blackmon, trading back further does not.
In all reality, if Cleveland throws in a 3rd rounder with the two first round picks, the Rams would have trouble going with the Redskins offer. More than likely, they will try to convince your GM to upgrade the 3rd rounder to your 2nd rounder. Something tells me you shouldn't pass on RG3. You've got some of the most room under the cap. Get your QB and bring in some free agents, you should have the pick of the FA litter.
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You mean you would be willing to allow RGIII to wear Brady Quinn's number? Blasphemy!
Come on Gip- he did wear #10 in college. Sure would have to hope he turns out better than Quinn.
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Looking at our current roster we have 12 or 13 legit starters on this team, giving up 3 or 4 potential starters for one guy just seems crazy. The kid isnt even the best QB in the draft and we are talking about paying more than when the NYG traded up to get the BEST QB in the draft. Plain and simple good teams dont make moves like this, we are talking about getting into a bidding war with the Redskins. Let that sink in and tell me that this is the right move... Yea well be competing against the same team that gave Haynesworth 100 mil.
All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
JJ I asked you this by PM, so I'll post it here instead. I know you're extremely high on RGIII. But every player has a max limit- so what's your opinion on just how much the Browns should give up to land him?
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Looking at our current roster we have 12 or 13 legit starters on this team, giving up 3 or 4 potential starters for one guy just seems crazy. The kid isnt even the best QB in the draft and we are talking about paying more than when the NYG traded up to get the BEST QB in the draft. Plain and simple good teams dont make moves like this, we are talking about getting into a bidding war with the Redskins. Let that sink in and tell me that this is the right move... Yea well be competing against the same team that gave Haynesworth 100 mil.
All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
You do realize in 2004 Ben Rothlisberger, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Shaub were all drafted right. Im sorry but RG3 is a 2nd rounder on that list.
RG3 has some good traits but if it wasnt for Glam Newton Rg3 probably is a mid to late 1st round draft pick. People fall in love with what was hot the prior year and since a scrambling QB put up good numbers last year, this kid can do the same. P.S. the Panthers won 6 games last season.
Before saying he isnt just a scrambling QB remember Colt McCoy put up similar #s in college and hes just a product of the Big 12 and the spread, right? Rg3 can throw the deep ball, thats nice but with out any draft picks whos going to catch it? Is Little known to beat anyone deep? Massaquoi? Norwood?
RG3 is a good kid and I hate to put him down but lets keep things into perspective
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All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
You do realize in 2004 Ben Rothlisberger, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Shaub were all drafted right. Im sorry but RG3 is a 2nd rounder on that list.
RG3 has some good traits but if it wasnt for Glam Newton Rg3 probably is a mid to late 1st round draft pick. People fall in love with what was hot the prior year and since a scrambling QB put up good numbers last year, this kid can do the same. P.S. the Panthers won 6 games last season.
Before saying he isnt just a scrambling QB remember Colt McCoy put up similar #s in college and hes just a product of the Big 12 and the spread, right? Rg3 can throw the deep ball, thats nice but with out any draft picks whos going to catch it? Is Little known to beat anyone deep? Massaquoi? Norwood?
RG3 is a good kid and I hate to put him down but lets keep things into perspective
You do realize in 2004 Ben Rothlisberger, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Shaub were all drafted right. Im sorry but RG3 is a 2nd rounder on that list.
RG3 has some good traits but if it wasnt for Glam Newton Rg3 probably is a mid to late 1st round draft pick. People fall in love with what was hot the prior year and since a scrambling QB put up good numbers last year, this kid can do the same. P.S. the Panthers won 6 games last season.
Before saying he isnt just a scrambling QB remember Colt McCoy put up similar #s in college and hes just a product of the Big 12 and the spread, right? Rg3 can throw the deep ball, thats nice but with out any draft picks whos going to catch it? Is Little known to beat anyone deep? Massaquoi? Norwood?
RG3 is a good kid and I hate to put him down but lets keep things into perspective
I'm sorry... Stop reading college stats. They will lie to you.
Watch the game film. He whole games. There isn't a single one of those guys that had the assembled game tape that RGIII has.
Roethlisberger and Manning were average prospects - and Rivers was a notch below that.
Schaub's not even in the conversation.
It's not even a close call.
-jj
It wouldn't have been close.
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um...so because the panthers added a QB that took them from 1-15 to 6-10, its not a good idea?
or that because colt is from the same system and conference that there will no improvement?
i dont recall ever seeing colt throw a football like griffen can.....even if they are starting from the same place, professionally, griffen has so many more physical tools at his disposal. its called potential, something colt lacks in comparison.
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Heck, look at the scouting grades and RG3 is grading out better than the QBs in that list.
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Who is grading Griffin that high? There is no way he is grading out better then Eli, Rivers, or Ben
Going 6-10 and trading all of our picks away would be a fail. If we had the #2 pick then fine but if you are going to lose 3-4 potential starters you are better off drafting a QB next year.
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Who is grading Griffin that high? There is no way he is grading out better then Eli, Rivers, or Ben
Going 6-10 and trading all of our picks away would be a fail. If we had the #2 pick then fine but if you are going to lose 3-4 potential starters you are better off drafting a QB next year.
Who is grading Griffin that high? There is no way he is grading out better then Eli, Rivers, or Ben
Going 6-10 and trading all of our picks away would be a fail. If we had the #2 pick then fine but if you are going to lose 3-4 potential starters you are better off drafting a QB next year.
Everyone. Scouts, coaches, agents, you name it. Most NFL teams use an 8 point scale to rate prospects. Manning and Roethlisberger were 6.6's and 6.7's across the board. Anything above 6.5 is a guy you figure is going to become a starter in the NFL. Anything above a 7.0, you're projecting a potential All-Pro.
Both Manning and Roethlisberger had huge question marks coming out of college. Manning didn't have a great arm, Ben played in the MAC - AND didn't have much of an arm. Rivers was labeled as immature and may have trouble dealing with pressure (sounds right to me).
With a guy like Griffin, you're looking at 7.5's and 7.6's from all corners of the NFL. That's a huge difference. Basically what that means is people who are paid to find faults with players can't find a single thing that isn't circumstantial: i.e. He hasn't spent much time under center, or he's never worked in a rhythm passing offense.
Physically and mentally, the guy has no holes.
This isn't Ryan Leaf with 5 red flags and big arm. This isn't Jamarcus Russell coming out of LSU with a monster arm and little else. This is a completely different player.
It really makes little difference what the Browns do. RGIII is going to change whatever franchise he goes to. They can do the deal or wish they did.
But if I'm Tom Heckert, and I have that guy two picks away, while sitting on an extra 1st round pick, and I let some other team leapfrog me to draft him... I turn in my resignation the next morning, no questions.
-jj
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I agree with Jason...the guy seems to have it all. Brains, arm strength, he's a ridiculously great athlete. The only real question is that the played in a conference that doesn't play a lot of defense and that's is a concern but the kid just seems like a winner to me and will do whatever it takes to be a success. I think Colt has that same drive, he unfortunately doesn't have the skills to go with the fact that he's a good kid with a lot of heart and works hard.
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All drafts aren't created equal. RGIII would be the number 1 pick in any draft in the last 13 years except this one.
That's why you make the deal.
-jj
JJ I asked you this by PM, so I'll post it here instead. I know you're extremely high on RGIII. But every player has a max limit- so what's your opinion on just how much the Browns should give up to land him?
JJ I asked you this by PM, so I'll post it here instead. I know you're extremely high on RGIII. But every player has a max limit- so what's your opinion on just how much the Browns should give up to land him?
I really don't have a limit per se. I suppose it could get into the land of the ridiculous. But 4/22/37 + next years 3 doesn't scare me. I'd start to get nervous if you're looking at 3 #1s. But I don't think it'll get that far.
I look at it this way, regardless of who else they draft, if the Browns land a "franchise quarterback" in 2012, it's be best draft they've had in 20 years. So, what else really matters at that point?
-jj
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