As A Redskins Fan, I Must Say
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This post, from a Browns fan?
Pretty sure the Skins have been to the playoffs more, more recently, and have more wins in the playoffs than the Browns over the past oh, 20 years. Win a playoff game, then talk trash. Better yet, make the playoffs, then talk trash.
it has been more than a decade since ur team has been to the SB right? Or are we only counting the years when u guys were playoff contenders? If u wanna talk history then ...
Championships
League championships (4)
AAFC Championships (not recognized by the NFL) (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Championships (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
Conference championships (11)
NFL American: 1950, 1951, 1952
NFL Eastern: 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969
Division championships (13)
AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
Playoff appearances (28)
AAFC: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1994, 2002
But ofcourse you are more than welcome to be selective about what u want to cherry pick .....
it has been more than a decade since ur team has been to the SB right? Or are we only counting the years when u guys were playoff contenders? If u wanna talk history then ...
Championships
League championships (4)
AAFC Championships (not recognized by the NFL) (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Championships (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
Conference championships (11)
NFL American: 1950, 1951, 1952
NFL Eastern: 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969
Division championships (13)
AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
Playoff appearances (28)
AAFC: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1994, 2002
But ofcourse you are more than welcome to be selective about what u want to cherry pick .....
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
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it has been more than a decade since ur team has been to the SB right? Or are we only counting the years when u guys were playoff contenders? If u wanna talk history then ...
Championships
League championships (4)
AAFC Championships (not recognized by the NFL) (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Championships (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
Conference championships (11)
NFL American: 1950, 1951, 1952
NFL Eastern: 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969
Division championships (13)
AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
Playoff appearances (28)
AAFC: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1994, 2002
But ofcourse you are more than welcome to be selective about what u want to cherry pick .....
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
So if you compare history- ur record is barely better than ours. And if u compare the last 20 years - we have the same number of superbowl victories - 0! And you come here to boast and trash talk? Really? Dude u guys are as dysfunctional as us and u your boasting that u are a superior team - Maybe u are but if u dont have the superbowl - u got nada.
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Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
So if you compare history- ur record is barely better than ours. And if u compare the last 20 years - we have the same number of superbowl victories - 0! And you come here to boast and trash talk? Really? Dude u guys are as dysfunctional as us and u your boasting that u are a superior team - Maybe u are but if u dont have the superbowl - u got nada.
So if you compare history- ur record is barely better than ours. And if u compare the last 20 years - we have the same number of superbowl victories - 0! And you come here to boast and trash talk? Really? Dude u guys are as dysfunctional as us and u your boasting that u are a superior team - Maybe u are but if u dont have the superbowl - u got nada.
We have 1 Super Bowl in the last 20 years. We won it in the 1991 season (Super Bowl in 1992). This past year was the 2011 season, with the Super Bowl in 2012.
...and it's pretty sad you have to call the Super Bowl era "cherry picking."
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Jesus you know what sad? A fan from another team posting on the Browns board during the FUCKING OFFSEASON. I mean hell, we have you put up with you stupid sons of bitches when we happen to play you during any given week of the season but you a fan from a team that isn't even in our division wants to come on hear and bit about who has the shittiest FO, players, ect. Who gives a flying fuck.
Message Board discussion 101: Can't argue against the post, attack the poster.
Message Board discussion 101: Can't argue against the post, attack the poster.
What ever you need to think to make your self feel better about this huge waste of time you are spending in here arguing with fans from a team that your team barely ever plays. I mean shit you would be using your time better if you were jacking off to pictures of you back titty hairy molded grandma, not that you don't find time for that I'm sure you take a break every now and then.
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Message Board discussion 101: Can't argue against the post, attack the poster.
What ever you need to think to make your self feel better about this huge waste of time you are spending in here arguing with fans from a team that your team barely ever plays. I mean shit you would be using your time better if you were jacking off to pictures of you back titty hairy molded grandma, not that you don't find time for that I'm sure you take a break every now and then.
What ever you need to think to make your self feel better about this huge waste of time you are spending in here arguing with fans from a team that your team barely ever plays. I mean shit you would be using your time better if you were jacking off to pictures of you back titty hairy molded grandma, not that you don't find time for that I'm sure you take a break every now and then.
Watch out, we have a badass over here, he threw an insult over the internet. Watch out for this guy, he's going places. Go back to what you were doing and let the men talk football.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
This is a shitbag franchise with a shitbag FO and a shitbag owner.
The thing is, with the right draft, the Browns could see some legit improvement here in the next few years.
As good of a talent RG3 is, it would significantly slow down that improvement with what it would take to trade up for him. Not completely stop it, but slow it down A LOT. The Browns need playmakers everywhere on offense (WR, RB, and they could stand to get younger at TE). Stand pat in this draft and take Blackmon at 4 (or trade down to the mid first and take Floyd or Wright and an extra pick). Then with 22, take the best RB available (maybe not Richardson, but LaMar Miller would probably be there) or Dre Kirkpatrick to pair across from Haden, and make a formidable secondary. In the second, go either TE, RB, or DB. Add secondary, linebackers, and WR with your third rounders, and go depth then on.
Next year, roll with McCoy and a FA signing (possibly Flynn) to see how they do with the newly acquired weapons. If they do well, awesome, you're set. If they don't, go with Barkley, Jones, Wilson, Smith, or Manuel. Trade up if you have to. McCoy has skill, but he needs help to let it show. He may not be Manning or Luck, but he could very easily be on the Josh Freeman/Matt Schaub/Tony Romo level. Good enough to get you where you want to go.
The Steelers are in cap trouble and need to get rid of players. Their WRs are decent. Polamalu is over-rated IMO (he's been a liability in coverage lately - he tries to jump routes and can get fooled by double moves). Their RBs aren't anything special. Their defense is aging. Done right, in a year or two the Browns could be better than them.
The Ratbirds have an old defense, too. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are close to retirement, I wouldn't count on them for too long. Ray Rice and Anquan Boldin are legit, but the rest of their offense is lacking. They need help at TE and Flacco isn't going to get it done for them. Browns could easily be on their level sooner than later.
The Bengals are your only real competition in the long run, but it's not like they're set everywhere. Browns could easily run with them for a while.
Yes, RG3 would be nice for you all, but he would be hung out to dry without the receivers or RBs to back him up. Get the support system in place and find your QB then.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Shannahan versus Holmgren? Are you ass phuking me? Shannahan versus Holmgren?
LMMFAO at this. Hey, let's compare Einstien to Hawking, or finnier yet, ANniston to Kathy Griffen.
SHannahan's shit has more football savvy than Holmgren. Shannahan is STILL in he game. Holmgren is sitting on his balls wailing for someone to come help him get up because he is too lazy.
5-11, then 4 - 12. That's Holmgren.
Ya because Shanahan's 6-10, then 5-11 with the Redskins is shitloads better? Pull your head out of your ass..
And why the rip on Stephen Hawking? He is way smarter than you and probably more athletic too..
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
This is a shitbag franchise with a shitbag FO and a shitbag owner.
The thing is, with the right draft, the Browns could see some legit improvement here in the next few years.
As good of a talent RG3 is, it would significantly slow down that improvement with what it would take to trade up for him. Not completely stop it, but slow it down A LOT. The Browns need playmakers everywhere on offense (WR, RB, and they could stand to get younger at TE). Stand pat in this draft and take Blackmon at 4 (or trade down to the mid first and take Floyd or Wright and an extra pick). Then with 22, take the best RB available (maybe not Richardson, but LaMar Miller would probably be there) or Dre Kirkpatrick to pair across from Haden, and make a formidable secondary. In the second, go either TE, RB, or DB. Add secondary, linebackers, and WR with your third rounders, and go depth then on.
Next year, roll with McCoy and a FA signing (possibly Flynn) to see how they do with the newly acquired weapons. If they do well, awesome, you're set. If they don't, go with Barkley, Jones, Wilson, Smith, or Manuel. Trade up if you have to. McCoy has skill, but he needs help to let it show. He may not be Manning or Luck, but he could very easily be on the Josh Freeman/Matt Schaub/Tony Romo level. Good enough to get you where you want to go.
The Steelers are in cap trouble and need to get rid of players. Their WRs are decent. Polamalu is over-rated IMO (he's been a liability in coverage lately - he tries to jump routes and can get fooled by double moves). Their RBs aren't anything special. Their defense is aging. Done right, in a year or two the Browns could be better than them.
The Ratbirds have an old defense, too. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are close to retirement, I wouldn't count on them for too long. Ray Rice and Anquan Boldin are legit, but the rest of their offense is lacking. They need help at TE and Flacco isn't going to get it done for them. Browns could easily be on their level sooner than later.
The Bengals are your only real competition in the long run, but it's not like they're set everywhere. Browns could easily run with them for a while.
Yes, RG3 would be nice for you all, but he would be hung out to dry without the receivers or RBs to back him up. Get the support system in place and find your QB then.
Yes, RG3 would be nice for you all, but he would be hung out to dry without the receivers or RBs to back him up. Get the support system in place and find your QB then.
and, how....exactly, would griffin be in the same exact position with the skins?
santana moss? not exactly a spring chicken, but still has some gas i suppose.
donte stallworthless? we been down that road...so i wont laugh at you.
jabar gaffney?
various 1st and 2nd year guys, only notable being hankerson.
evan royster? please...im PSU alum. he's not that good.
hightower? good back....durability.
helu is young.
we have all these guys as well...promising young guys with talent that need to prove it. im not quite sure where you see the parity between our teams, but you won 1 more game than us. we were the third youngest team last year, on a completely new coaching staff. im not so sure you're better than us even now. no ones worried grossman or beck are gonna suddenly learn to play football.
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Gary Kubiak made Denver, not Shannahan. All the guys from Denvers staff are with Kubiak now not Shannahan.
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WTF are you talking about? The Browns franchise has been around since 1946. The Redskins have only been around 14 years longer, since 1932...though they have played 17 more seasons with the Browns 3 off years.
Actually, the Browns name has been around since 1946. Then, in 1996 the franchise left for Baltimore and changed it's name. Then in 1999 they started again, a completely new franchise, just with the same name.
15 years ago Cleveland didn't have a team. Nothing I said was incorrect.
It's funny how people "forget the Redskins are even an NFL team anymore" when the current iteration of the Browns hasn't been around 20 years.
Actually, the Browns name has been around since 1946. Then, in 1996 the franchise left for Baltimore and changed it's name. Then in 1999 they started again, a completely new franchise, just with the same name.
15 years ago Cleveland didn't have a team. Nothing I said was incorrect.
It's funny how people "forget the Redskins are even an NFL team anymore" when the current iteration of the Browns hasn't been around 20 years.
I have had to educate dumbasses like you for 17 years now. Do you want your avatar to go up on the Dickheads on Parade thread? You are getting there. The Browns FRANCHISE has been around since 1946.
Nothing a fool like you says or does will change that.
If you want I will wager you your next months wages on the fact that the NFL, the Cleveland Browns, the Baltimore Ravens, the City of Cleveland, the City of Baltimore, the States of Ohio and Maryland and the United States Government agree with me an not you.
I can use the money, and you can use the education.
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it has been more than a decade since ur team has been to the SB right? Or are we only counting the years when u guys were playoff contenders? If u wanna talk history then ...
Championships
League championships (4)
AAFC Championships (not recognized by the NFL) (4)
1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Championships (4)
1950, 1954, 1955, 1964
Conference championships (11)
NFL American: 1950, 1951, 1952
NFL Eastern: 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1969
Division championships (13)
AAFC Western: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL Century: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC Central: 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989
Playoff appearances (28)
AAFC: 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949
NFL: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1994, 2002
But ofcourse you are more than welcome to be selective about what u want to cherry pick .....
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
Who's cherry picking?
More Super Bowl Championships (3 to your none)
More Super Bowl appearances (5 to your none)
More NFL Championships (5 to your 4)
More Division Championships (15 to your 13)
Congrats. You have more conference championships (pre-Super Bowl, but who's counting, right?) and two more NFL playoff appearances. You need to have something to hang your hat on.
You can compete with the Eagles for the "best team to never win the Super Bowl" title.
Just to set the record straight, teams from Northeast Ohio have won 13 pro football championships. Green Bay recently tied us with that figure.
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So if you compare history- ur record is barely better than ours. And if u compare the last 20 years - we have the same number of superbowl victories - 0! And you come here to boast and trash talk? Really? Dude u guys are as dysfunctional as us and u your boasting that u are a superior team - Maybe u are but if u dont have the superbowl - u got nada.
We have 1 Super Bowl in the last 20 years. We won it in the 1991 season (Super Bowl in 1992). This past year was the 2011 season, with the Super Bowl in 2012.
...and it's pretty sad you have to call the Super Bowl era "cherry picking."
We have 1 Super Bowl in the last 20 years. We won it in the 1991 season (Super Bowl in 1992). This past year was the 2011 season, with the Super Bowl in 2012.
...and it's pretty sad you have to call the Super Bowl era "cherry picking."
It is easy to call it Cherry picking, because it is cherry picking.
Here you go:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/
All you have to do is count the time Cleveland/Akron/Canton are on that list.
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What ever you need to think to make your self feel better about this huge waste of time you are spending in here arguing with fans from a team that your team barely ever plays. I mean shit you would be using your time better if you were jacking off to pictures of you back titty hairy molded grandma, not that you don't find time for that I'm sure you take a break every now and then.
Watch out, we have a badass over here, he threw an insult over the internet. Watch out for this guy, he's going places. Go back to what you were doing and let the men talk football.
Watch out, we have a badass over here, he threw an insult over the internet. Watch out for this guy, he's going places. Go back to what you were doing and let the men talk football.
Wow guys, we have super fan over here. So enamored by your own team that the confine of your own team board can not contain you. NO! Super fan must seek out other teams and spread the word about his team. What else is so important, what else could he better use his time for. Not bathing, of course not. Not eating the frozen waffles his mom just made him. He has better things to do! No if he isn't here wasting his time on another teams board then who else would do it. Maybe someone with an actual girlfriend, wife, kids, future, would end up wasting their time instead of you. I guess your just too selfless to let this terrible life fall on someone elses shoulders.
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Zombo said:
The key to winning the Super Bowl is not hiring old guys that won the Super Bowl before...So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
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You know what, just forget it.
I'll try to keep this football-related.
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Zombo said:
The key to winning the Super Bowl is not hiring old guys that won the Super Bowl before...So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
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So you bring in Holmgren and Heckert?
heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
Zombo brought up Bruce Allen who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's also the personnel guy. Who are your personnel men? Holmgren and Heckert. If he just wanted to talk about coaches, he wouldn't have brought Allen into the conversation.
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holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
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heckert won a superbowl? news to me....
holmgren won one AS A COACH. you are aware he's not coaching the browns, right?
Zombo brought up Bruce Allen who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's also the personnel guy. Who are your personnel men? Holmgren and Heckert. If he just wanted to talk about coaches, he wouldn't have brought Allen into the conversation.
Zombo brought up Bruce Allen who hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's also the personnel guy. Who are your personnel men? Holmgren and Heckert. If he just wanted to talk about coaches, he wouldn't have brought Allen into the conversation.
I think he was alluding to the fact that you have a rat-faced shit machine that's been around for 50 years as your HC, while we have a stammering, Retarded rookie HC at the helm.
At the end of the day, who honestly wins?
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holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
holmgren is the president. they generally do not handle personnel....but holmgren does have heckerts ear. heckert is the GM tho, and thus has final say. holmgren wasw always a bad judge of talent sans the QB position, so its pretty easy to see who runs our personnel department.
Fair enough. I was basing everything off of all the posts on how it's who Holmgren wants, implying he's the personnel guy. You can understand the confusion. Either way, I wouldn't exactly be bragging up Heckert. Yeah, he might have put the team together that kept beating the Skins, but he could never put together a Super Bowl winning team.
I can bring up Shanahan though, because he and Allen have equal say in the Skins personnel (if anything, Shanny has more power than Allen). Shanny has experience building Super Bowl winning teams. Elway was already in place, but Shanahan brought in Terrell Davis and the others who put Denver over the top.
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