Another Rg3 Blow A Knee Thread
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Not quite. I don't get smitten. I do listen to people whose words carry weight tho....
Dig a bit and you'll see I posted just today that I'd rather persue Flynn, but I'm not gonna be pissed to take a shot at Griffin. Football people say he's gifted, I don't know enough to argue.
Apparently you do....you're comparison to young was spot on.
I never made a comparison to young, you only assumed that I did. This seems to be the problem with many, they only see what they want to see due to their own biased opinions. Take it with a grain of salt that all of us have our own opinion.
So who in here would spend millions on a race horse that has already had knee surgery before contending in the big race?
I never made a comparison to young, you only assumed that I did. This seems to be the problem with many, they only see what they want to see due to their own biased opinions. Take it with a grain of salt that all of us have our own opinion.
So who in here would spend millions on a race horse that has already had knee surgery before contending in the big race?
Yes Griffin had a blown ACL. So did Tom Brady- care to look up how he did last year after the injury?
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Did you read anything other than the title?
He looks like another Troy Smith but with a bum knee
Did you read anything other than the title?
He looks like another Troy Smith but with a bum knee
ah...i did cross conversations. not VY, but troy smith. points still stand.
again...T...he played 2 fucking seasons on that bum knee. just what do you think a bum knee is? ward had one as well....i can name a slew of players that have and recovered.
please tell me youve got some actual reasons for the hate....a ghost knee injury is pretty pathetic and weak.
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And why are we arguing over QB's when Shurmurrrrr doesn't even run a Pro style offense?
He will have his wilddawg full time with Rg3. Oh boy I cant wait.
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Not quite. I don't get smitten. I do listen to people whose words carry weight tho....
Dig a bit and you'll see I posted just today that I'd rather persue Flynn, but I'm not gonna be pissed to take a shot at Griffin. Football people say he's gifted, I don't know enough to argue.
Apparently you do....you're comparison to young was spot on.
I never made a comparison to young, you only assumed that I did. This seems to be the problem with many, they only see what they want to see due to their own biased opinions. Take it with a grain of salt that all of us have our own opinion.
So who in here would spend millions on a race horse that has already had knee surgery before contending in the big race?
So who in here would spend millions on a race horse that has already had knee surgery before contending in the big race?
Anyone who signed Willis McGahee...
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And why are we arguing over QB's when Shurmurrrrr doesn't even run a Pro style offense?
He will have his wilddawg full time with Rg3. Oh boy I cant wait.
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Hey boy. You can't play QB boy ....
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Anyone who signed Willis McGahee...
Good one- thanks for jogging my memory. McGahee's injury in the Championship game has to rank as one of the worst on field injuries I've ever seen. I thought his career was over right there. Much worse than an ACL- he totally blew out 3 of the 4 tendons in his knee.
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Hey boy. You can't play QB boy ....
lol just realized this, the hey boy thing made me think of this, no offense intended to the poster mr. t
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Didnt Kendall Wright just run a very slow 4.6 40 at the combine? I dont think that "flys past safetys and corners" even in the weak defenses of the Big 12.
4.41 40 for RGIII on a bum knee? Pretty damn impressive. He kills it in the interviews, he's rediculously smart. What's not to like?
What's not to like? What, are you Dan Gilbert's kid?
The answer is: the ridiculous asking price that the Rams and others on here think the Browns should pay to move up to get him.
What's not to like? What, are you Dan Gilbert's kid?
The answer is: the ridiculous asking price that the Rams and others on here think the Browns should pay to move up to get him.
The price only matters if he doesn't work out.
I look at it like this....if the trade goes down price wise as advertised...two 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th...my view is the deal is costing us a 3rd round pick....all the others are extra picks....we are getting a player, so that covers one of the 1st rounders. Some act like it is costing us 3 1st round picks.
Plus....screw picks. People need to be be less worried about the number of picks we have and be more concerned with getting a few good players....especially one at QB.
Colt McCoy is a Cherub.
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im the antagonist....ill glady take the role of devils advocate even if i dont agree with the point im arguing. why? cause im finding out that many folks around here have opinions based on either circumstantial evidence (thats often misinterpreted) or nothign at all.
like this last post....so frank minnifield was a great CB for the browns. does that mean his son will also be great? in your eyes, apparently. considered rationally, it means nothing who his father was. so what you saying is to make a decision based on name alone, to get this kid because his father was a good player. while i do not disagree with the pick, the reasoning is just terrible. real GM's do not make decisions like this....ya know why? its gets them fired.
mr savage was in absolute love with jamarcus russel....he just didn't have the firepower to trade up. phil got lucky and dodged a bullet, however, his propensity to overvalue talent was legendary, and led to his termination after several years of fucking up the draft. he traded up for quinn as well....perhaps as a PR move, but nevertheless, so very short sighted.
so again...how is chase a must-have from any standpoint? he certainly isnt because his father played for us. yes, clays boy seems to be good....but dont be so naive to assume that players born of other players will exhibit the same success. so beyond the fact his daddy was a brown, is there anything that makes him special over any of the other prospects in the 2nd round?
im the antagonist....ill glady take the role of devils advocate even if i dont agree with the point im arguing. why? cause im finding out that many folks around here have opinions based on either circumstantial evidence (thats often misinterpreted) or nothign at all.
like this last post....so frank minnifield was a great CB for the browns. does that mean his son will also be great? in your eyes, apparently. considered rationally, it means nothing who his father was. so what you saying is to make a decision based on name alone, to get this kid because his father was a good player. while i do not disagree with the pick, the reasoning is just terrible. real GM's do not make decisions like this....ya know why? its gets them fired.
mr savage was in absolute love with jamarcus russel....he just didn't have the firepower to trade up. phil got lucky and dodged a bullet, however, his propensity to overvalue talent was legendary, and led to his termination after several years of fucking up the draft. he traded up for quinn as well....perhaps as a PR move, but nevertheless, so very short sighted.
so again...how is chase a must-have from any standpoint? he certainly isnt because his father played for us. yes, clays boy seems to be good....but dont be so naive to assume that players born of other players will exhibit the same success. so beyond the fact his daddy was a brown, is there anything that makes him special over any of the other prospects in the 2nd round?
Just look at Micheal Jordan and his boys
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And why are we arguing over QB's when Shurmurrrrr doesn't even run a Pro style offense?
He will have his wilddawg full time with Rg3. Oh boy I cant wait.
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What's not to like? What, are you Dan Gilbert's kid?
The answer is: the ridiculous asking price that the Rams and others on here think the Browns should pay to move up to get him.
The price only matters if he doesn't work out.
I look at it like this....if the trade goes down price wise as advertised...two 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th...my view is the deal is costing us a 3rd round pick....all the others are extra picks....we are getting a player, so that covers one of the 1st rounders. Some act like it is costing us 3 1st round picks.
Plus....screw picks. People need to be be less worried about the number of picks we have and be more concerned with getting a few good players....especially one at QB.
Colt McCoy is a Cherub.
The price only matters if he doesn't work out.
I look at it like this....if the trade goes down price wise as advertised...two 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th...my view is the deal is costing us a 3rd round pick....all the others are extra picks....we are getting a player, so that covers one of the 1st rounders. Some act like it is costing us 3 1st round picks.
Plus....screw picks. People need to be be less worried about the number of picks we have and be more concerned with getting a few good players....especially one at QB.
Colt McCoy is a Cherub.
RED= exactly. If he turns out to be as good as JJ thinks he is- we get another Aaron Rodgers level quarterback- the naysayers are going to forget real fast what we gave up to get him.
BTW 'Peen- I should be working for ESPN- not John Clayton. Your scenario was close- mine was dead on what he reported yesterday.
Both firsts, next years second, and if we have to- the fourth we got from Atlanta. The 'Skins will have to give up the equivalent of three first rounders to be in the discussion. His opinion is anyone else would have to give up too much to make the deal. So if that's what goes down in April- we traded Julio Jones for RGIII. Isn't a GM in the NFL on a qb needy team who wouldn't make that trade- but no GM holding the rights to RGIII would ever take it. To show you how badly we fleeced Atlanta- if the Dolphins offered Brandon Marshall and a second round pick for the Rams #2 overall- they'd get laughed out of the room.
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RED= exactly. If he turns out to be as good as JJ thinks he is- we get another Aaron Rodgers level quarterback- the naysayers are going to forget real fast what we gave up to get him.
But, if like 55% of QBs taken in the top 5 historically that are total busts, we have cost ourselves 3-4 potential Pro Bowl players.
Maybe that is why....despite owning property in Las Vegas I am not big of a gambler.
I like better odds. I say we have better odds of hitting on good players with the 3-4 picks that everyone wants us to give up than we have on getting a jackpot with that one player that all those picks would be used on.
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RED= exactly. If he turns out to be as good as JJ thinks he is- we get another Aaron Rodgers level quarterback- the naysayers are going to forget real fast what we gave up to get him.
But, if like 55% of QBs taken in the top 5 historically that are total busts, we have cost ourselves 3-4 potential Pro Bowl players.
Maybe that is why....despite owning property in Las Vegas I am not big of a gambler.
I like better odds. I say we have better odds of hitting on good players with the 3-4 picks that everyone wants us to give up than we have on getting a jackpot with that one player that all those picks would be used on.
RED= exactly. If he turns out to be as good as JJ thinks he is- we get another Aaron Rodgers level quarterback- the naysayers are going to forget real fast what we gave up to get him.
But, if like 55% of QBs taken in the top 5 historically that are total busts, we have cost ourselves 3-4 potential Pro Bowl players.
Maybe that is why....despite owning property in Las Vegas I am not big of a gambler.
I like better odds. I say we have better odds of hitting on good players with the 3-4 picks that everyone wants us to give up than we have on getting a jackpot with that one player that all those picks would be used on.
Yes, that's the dilemma H&H are in. I haven't forgotten Joey Harrington, Akilli Smith, or Ryan Leaf, not by a long shot.
We can patch major holes if we keep the two first round picks- but that's assuming they also pan out. This year it's a two fer one, assuming we make the trade. To my mind taking a chance on a stud qb trumps taking a chance on a stud WR, + (LB, CB, RT).
BTW Gip, FYI- if we make the trade we'll know about it before Thursday evening draft day. The Rams GM was interviewed by Colin Cowherd yesterday- and he had this to say about making the trade. "If we wait until we're on the clock, there isn't enough time in 15 minutes to check the chart, and compare value offered." You may poo-poo that draft value chart, but guess who's using it.
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RED= exactly. If he turns out to be as good as JJ thinks he is- we get another Aaron Rodgers level quarterback- the naysayers are going to forget real fast what we gave up to get him.
But, if like 55% of QBs taken in the top 5 historically that are total busts, we have cost ourselves 3-4 potential Pro Bowl players.
Maybe that is why....despite owning property in Las Vegas I am not big of a gambler.
I like better odds. I say we have better odds of hitting on good players with the 3-4 picks that everyone wants us to give up than we have on getting a jackpot with that one player that all those picks would be used on.
Yes, that's the dilemma H&H are in. I haven't forgotten Joey Harrington, Akilli Smith, or Ryan Leaf, not by a long shot.
We can patch major holes if we keep the two first round picks- but that's assuming they also pan out. This year it's a two fer one, assuming we make the trade. To my mind taking a chance on a stud qb trumps taking a chance on a stud WR, + (LB, CB, RT).
BTW Gip, FYI- if we make the trade we'll know about it before Thursday evening draft day. The Rams GM was interviewed by Colin Cowherd yesterday- and he had this to say about making the trade. "If we wait until we're on the clock, there isn't enough time in 15 minutes to check the chart, and compare value offered." You may poo-poo that draft value chart, but guess who's using it.
Yes, that's the dilemma H&H are in. I haven't forgotten Joey Harrington, Akilli Smith, or Ryan Leaf, not by a long shot.
We can patch major holes if we keep the two first round picks- but that's assuming they also pan out. This year it's a two fer one, assuming we make the trade. To my mind taking a chance on a stud qb trumps taking a chance on a stud WR, + (LB, CB, RT).
BTW Gip, FYI- if we make the trade we'll know about it before Thursday evening draft day. The Rams GM was interviewed by Colin Cowherd yesterday- and he had this to say about making the trade. "If we wait until we're on the clock, there isn't enough time in 15 minutes to check the chart, and compare value offered." You may poo-poo that draft value chart, but guess who's using it.
I am not saying they don't use it. I am saying it is still bogus and arbitrary. In 1978 the Browns had two draft picks and selected one Hall of Famer and another near Hall of Famer, with the 12 and 23 picks. I will still take my chances on hitting on one out of two of those rather than losing them both to draft a Joey Harrington, Akili Smith or Ryan Leaf.
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I, like most people, would like to see RG3 in a Browns uni, but at the right price. Our two first round picks should be more than enough for any unproven player. Our two first's plus another pick would be pushing it. Anything beyond that is just "blow your brains out with a 12 gauge shotgun" stupid. I would give up our #4 pick this year, and a first next year to get him. I would seriously have to think about giving anything more than that.
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The whole thing for me is this: If the Browns swap firsts with the Rams and get a third and fourth out of the deal, it is still a good deal for the Rams. The own the second pick, they don't Need Andrew Luck or RG3(the consensus #1 & #2 in the draft this year). They are most likely targeting Matt Kalil or Justin Blackmon, if they trade with the Browns then they are guaranteed one of those players. If they decided to swap with another team- then the players they most covet will most assuredly be gone by the time they are on the clock. So it's like this- They think they hold all the cards but in reality we have them by the balls. Trade with us and you'll get a couple extra picks and can sleep well at night and know that one of your guys will be there when you're on the clock, or, screw us and your guy is ours.
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