Redskins Have Made A Deal?
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Tannehill at 4 is insane - no way that happens, he's not that good of an athlete.
Claiborne and Blackmon will be good options at 4. I'd expect this pick to be Claiborne, like Walt's draft over at Walterfootball.
Tannehill at 4 is insane - no way that happens, he's not that good of an athlete.
Claiborne and Blackmon will be good options at 4. I'd expect this pick to be Claiborne, like Walt's draft over at Walterfootball.
Agree. And with the uncertainty at RB, I would put Richardson in there as well, even though I am not a big fan of drafting a RB that high. But, if he's your guy, and you feel he might not be there a couple of slots down. you take him. That simple.
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Zombo said:
...I grew up on Sipe and Kosar ...
Really? I don't think you've "grown up" yet!
I, for one, am all for giving Colt McCoy some weapons and seeing what he can do this year. I still believe in the kid. Why everyone is laying the blame for last years offense on him is beyond me. He didn't call the plays, drop the balls, sack himself, or run the ball. Everyone says that Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, etc., couldn't have done any better with what we have. So why not give him some "tools" and see what he can do? The biggest problem with the Browns is they CHANGE everything all the time, new QB, new system, new coach, every freaking year! Give the kid some TIME for Pete's sake!
Really? I don't think you've "grown up" yet!
I, for one, am all for giving Colt McCoy some weapons and seeing what he can do this year. I still believe in the kid. Why everyone is laying the blame for last years offense on him is beyond me. He didn't call the plays, drop the balls, sack himself, or run the ball. Everyone says that Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, etc., couldn't have done any better with what we have. So why not give him some "tools" and see what he can do? The biggest problem with the Browns is they CHANGE everything all the time, new QB, new system, new coach, every freaking year! Give the kid some TIME for Pete's sake!
Dude! The best recivers in the league will not be catching balls thrown at their feet or 5 feet above his head... Noodle arm has no accuracy...
Wow! Did you guys watch any of the games last year?
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Why take Blackmon at 4 when he is not the prospect Julio Jones was last year and we could of had him at 6 ?
I'd rather attempt to trade down and get a guy like Nick Perry,DeCastro or Hightower.
If Griffin pans out get ready to add his name to the list of stars we could of had.
And why bother drafting more third round talent at QB? I'd rather just stick it out with Colt another year.
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It's not set is stolen until Trading opens... but I wouldn't want to give up that much anyway. Who the hell is RGIII supposed to throw too? Who is going to block for his on his right? Right now it just seems he has a decent running game to lean on and that's it. And thats not all!!!
What happens if god forbid RGIII injures himself between now and the draft. What happens if he has a horrible pro day, some character concerns come out, ect. These are the reasons why you DON't make trades for the draft before the draft starts. RGIII still needs to go through pro days and private workouts. Anything can happen between now and then and the Redskins might have just gave up 2 future 1st round picks for a guy who's stock might have dropped far enough to get at 6.
Skins fan here. Before I reply to the post that made me register with the site, I have to say something: Zombo might be the greatest poster I've seen on any sports forum ever. His post about weapons is classic. Thank you.
Anway, this...
It's not set is stolen until Trading opens... but I wouldn't want to give up that much anyway. Who the hell is RGIII supposed to throw too? Who is going to block for his on his right? Right now it just seems he has a decent running game to lean on and that's it. And thats not all!!!
What happens if god forbid RGIII injures himself between now and the draft. What happens if he has a horrible pro day, some character concerns come out, ect. These are the reasons why you DON't make trades for the draft before the draft starts. RGIII still needs to go through pro days and private workouts. Anything can happen between now and then and the Redskins might have just gave up 2 future 1st round picks for a guy who's stock might have dropped far enough to get at 6.
You know why you make the trade this early? So when free agency hits next week, you can go to Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston and you can say "We're going to have RGIII throwing you the ball." Don't you think they'll be more likely to sign here than if all we have in the fold is John freaking Beck? We have almost $50 mil in cap space. We can get him weapons. And those weapons will want to play with him. Those offensive lineman will want to block for him.
Also, we didn't trade three 1sts for him. We swapped 1sts and traded two more (and a 2nd) for him. This is increasingly a passing league. You NEED a franchise QB to win. The days of winning 3 SB's with 3 different starting QB's (like we did in the 80's and '91) are over. I'm in my 20's. I've gone my entire life without a franchise QB. We've had 1st round pick after 1st round pick, but never a franchise QB. So I'm beyond hyped by this move, as are most Skins fans.
And seriously, get off the Dan Snyder stuff. It's old and tired.
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
Thanks a lot H&H.
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Skins fan here. Before I reply to the post that made me register with the site, I have to say something: Zombo might be the greatest poster I've seen on any sports forum ever. His post about weapons is classic. Thank you.
Anway, this...
It's not set is stolen until Trading opens... but I wouldn't want to give up that much anyway. Who the hell is RGIII supposed to throw too? Who is going to block for his on his right? Right now it just seems he has a decent running game to lean on and that's it. And thats not all!!!
What happens if god forbid RGIII injures himself between now and the draft. What happens if he has a horrible pro day, some character concerns come out, ect. These are the reasons why you DON't make trades for the draft before the draft starts. RGIII still needs to go through pro days and private workouts. Anything can happen between now and then and the Redskins might have just gave up 2 future 1st round picks for a guy who's stock might have dropped far enough to get at 6.
You know why you make the trade this early? So when free agency hits next week, you can go to Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston and you can say "We're going to have RGIII throwing you the ball." Don't you think they'll be more likely to sign here than if all we have in the fold is John freaking Beck? We have almost $50 mil in cap space. We can get him weapons. And those weapons will want to play with him. Those offensive lineman will want to block for him.
Also, we didn't trade three 1sts for him. We swapped 1sts and traded two more (and a 2nd) for him. This is increasingly a passing league. You NEED a franchise QB to win. The days of winning 3 SB's with 3 different starting QB's (like we did in the 80's and '91) are over. I'm in my 20's. I've gone my entire life without a franchise QB. We've had 1st round pick after 1st round pick, but never a franchise QB. So I'm beyond hyped by this move, as are most Skins fans.
And seriously, get off the Dan Snyder stuff. It's old and tired.
Skins fan here. Before I reply to the post that made me register with the site, I have to say something: Zombo might be the greatest poster I've seen on any sports forum ever. His post about weapons is classic. Thank you.
Anway, this...
You know why you make the trade this early? So when free agency hits next week, you can go to Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston and you can say "We're going to have RGIII throwing you the ball." Don't you think they'll be more likely to sign here than if all we have in the fold is John freaking Beck? We have almost $50 mil in cap space. We can get him weapons. And those weapons will want to play with him. Those offensive lineman will want to block for him.
Also, we didn't trade three 1sts for him. We swapped 1sts and traded two more (and a 2nd) for him. This is increasingly a passing league. You NEED a franchise QB to win. The days of winning 3 SB's with 3 different starting QB's (like we did in the 80's and '91) are over. I'm in my 20's. I've gone my entire life without a franchise QB. We've had 1st round pick after 1st round pick, but never a franchise QB. So I'm beyond hyped by this move, as are most Skins fans.
And seriously, get off the Dan Snyder stuff. It's old and tired.
And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
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Skins fan here. Before I reply to the post that made me register with the site, I have to say something: Zombo might be the greatest poster I've seen on any sports forum ever. His post about weapons is classic. Thank you.
Anway, this...
You know why you make the trade this early? So when free agency hits next week, you can go to Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston and you can say "We're going to have RGIII throwing you the ball." Don't you think they'll be more likely to sign here than if all we have in the fold is John freaking Beck? We have almost $50 mil in cap space. We can get him weapons. And those weapons will want to play with him. Those offensive lineman will want to block for him.
Also, we didn't trade three 1sts for him. We swapped 1sts and traded two more (and a 2nd) for him. This is increasingly a passing league. You NEED a franchise QB to win. The days of winning 3 SB's with 3 different starting QB's (like we did in the 80's and '91) are over. I'm in my 20's. I've gone my entire life without a franchise QB. We've had 1st round pick after 1st round pick, but never a franchise QB. So I'm beyond hyped by this move, as are most Skins fans.
And seriously, get off the Dan Snyder stuff. It's old and tired.
And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
lol, butt fuck creek ... haven't heard that one for a while
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And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
I'll tell you that claiming an untested QB who hasn't even been drafted yet is the next best thing is stupid. And FA don't go places to play with un tested QB's.
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The Browns had a shot to take a chance to change the franchise and blew it.
If RG3 busted for us fuck it, we have sucked for years, take a god damn chance go down swinging with guns blazin what do we have to lose? 5-11 5-11 4-12?
If RG3 is the next big thing it'll go down as another "the drive" "the fumble" "the draft" and it's gonna hurt a hell of a lot more than losing a few draft picks.
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man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
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Oh god Stratego... ahhhhhh childhood.
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What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
The following is a statement by Redskins general manager Bruce Allen and St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead issued on Saturday:
“In order to execute each of our club’s plans for free agency and the upcoming draft, we have agreed to a trade between our two teams for the second pick in the 2012 draft. We will submit this trade to the NFL for approval."
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
Because Indy isn't trading the pick?
Is this deal that much different than the Eli/Rivers trade? Do you think the Giants regret that trade?
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What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
The following is a statement by Redskins general manager Bruce Allen and St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead issued on Saturday:
“In order to execute each of our club’s plans for free agency and the upcoming draft, we have agreed to a trade between our two teams for the second pick in the 2012 draft. We will submit this trade to the NFL for approval."
What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
LUCK? Are you an idiot? Luck is TIm Couch with a bigger arm.
RG3 will put Luck to shame.
Which brings me to another question- What if Indy drafts Luck? U think Redskins will like the trade?
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man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.
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What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
Now you're just trolling.
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.
Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.
I think we had something like 10 draft picks last season, and every single one of them played at some point. A few with major contributions (Kerrigan, Helu, Royster, etc). Obviously he's going to miss on some, but I trust him to pick up depth and the occasional major contributor later in the draft. Plus, as I said, we have $40-50 mil in cap space. That's why losing two 1sts doesn't kill me.
Which brings me to another question- What if Indy drafts Luck? U think Redskins will like the trade?
Huh? What if Indy DOESN'T take Luck you mean? Look, we haven't had a franchise QB since arguably Theisman (I'm not counting Rypien and his few good seasons). Whether we get Luck or RGIII, I'm gonna be happy as hell.
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