Redskins Have Made A Deal?
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Skins fan here. Before I reply to the post that made me register with the site, I have to say something: Zombo might be the greatest poster I've seen on any sports forum ever. His post about weapons is classic. Thank you.
Anway, this...
You know why you make the trade this early? So when free agency hits next week, you can go to Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston and you can say "We're going to have RGIII throwing you the ball." Don't you think they'll be more likely to sign here than if all we have in the fold is John freaking Beck? We have almost $50 mil in cap space. We can get him weapons. And those weapons will want to play with him. Those offensive lineman will want to block for him.
Also, we didn't trade three 1sts for him. We swapped 1sts and traded two more (and a 2nd) for him. This is increasingly a passing league. You NEED a franchise QB to win. The days of winning 3 SB's with 3 different starting QB's (like we did in the 80's and '91) are over. I'm in my 20's. I've gone my entire life without a franchise QB. We've had 1st round pick after 1st round pick, but never a franchise QB. So I'm beyond hyped by this move, as are most Skins fans.
And seriously, get off the Dan Snyder stuff. It's old and tired.
And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
lol, butt fuck creek ... haven't heard that one for a while
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And if there smart they will say, who the fuck cares, he hasn't thrown in the league yet. Most FA don't get a huge boner over who the team says they are going to draft, they care about who is there at the moment. Stop fucking anointing someone in the hall of fame when they have yet to be drafted yet.
The Redskins are just as likely to hire some over priced FA over RGIII as RGIII is to have a serious injury between now and the Draft. Every year before the draft some big name gets some surgery, injury, or medical prognosis that not only kills their draft stock but can also force them into early retirement. If that happens to RGIII (god forbid because he is a great guy and wouldn't deserve it) the Redskins would be up butt fuck creek without a piece of tissue to wipe their eyes or their ass.
If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
I'll tell you that claiming an untested QB who hasn't even been drafted yet is the next best thing is stupid. And FA don't go places to play with un tested QB's.
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The Browns had a shot to take a chance to change the franchise and blew it.
If RG3 busted for us fuck it, we have sucked for years, take a god damn chance go down swinging with guns blazin what do we have to lose? 5-11 5-11 4-12?
If RG3 is the next big thing it'll go down as another "the drive" "the fumble" "the draft" and it's gonna hurt a hell of a lot more than losing a few draft picks.
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man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
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Oh god Stratego... ahhhhhh childhood.
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What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
The following is a statement by Redskins general manager Bruce Allen and St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead issued on Saturday:
“In order to execute each of our club’s plans for free agency and the upcoming draft, we have agreed to a trade between our two teams for the second pick in the 2012 draft. We will submit this trade to the NFL for approval."
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
Because Indy isn't trading the pick?
Is this deal that much different than the Eli/Rivers trade? Do you think the Giants regret that trade?
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What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
The following is a statement by Redskins general manager Bruce Allen and St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead issued on Saturday:
“In order to execute each of our club’s plans for free agency and the upcoming draft, we have agreed to a trade between our two teams for the second pick in the 2012 draft. We will submit this trade to the NFL for approval."
What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
LUCK? Are you an idiot? Luck is TIm Couch with a bigger arm.
RG3 will put Luck to shame.
Which brings me to another question- What if Indy drafts Luck? U think Redskins will like the trade?
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man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.
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What is so hard to grasp about RGIII > John Beck and Rex Grossman? Say Vincent Jackson is getting the same offer from the Skins and the Browns. Same years, same bonus, same guaranteed money, same everything. So now he's looking at the team situation. Before the trade it was Grossman/Beck vs McCoy. Now it's RGIII vs McCoy. You don't think there's a difference there?
Anyway, to what I originally said about this freeing us up in free agency. On the Skins facebook page:
Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
Now you're just trolling.
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php -
man and i thought the consensus of the old timers on here knew football. for any 'one' team to FALL IN FUCKING LOVE with one guy THAT much is insane. why not go after a. luck if you want the best QB.
you guys must suck at stratego.
fuckin moonshine will do it to you everytime.
Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.
Time will tell if the Redskins made the right decision, or the Browns. The 'Skins fans here have posited Shanny is such a great draft master they can live without all those high picks.
I think we had something like 10 draft picks last season, and every single one of them played at some point. A few with major contributions (Kerrigan, Helu, Royster, etc). Obviously he's going to miss on some, but I trust him to pick up depth and the occasional major contributor later in the draft. Plus, as I said, we have $40-50 mil in cap space. That's why losing two 1sts doesn't kill me.
Which brings me to another question- What if Indy drafts Luck? U think Redskins will like the trade?
Huh? What if Indy DOESN'T take Luck you mean? Look, we haven't had a franchise QB since arguably Theisman (I'm not counting Rypien and his few good seasons). Whether we get Luck or RGIII, I'm gonna be happy as hell.
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WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN FREE AGENCY NOW. There are some stub linemen in FA this year and we need to get come. Get some weapons on offense and then we can really start building. One QB was not going to do anything without some weapons. He would do even less without linemen.
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Irrelevant, the Brown's front office is so stupid to hire a drunk cancer that is one problem away from missing a whole season.
Now you're just trolling.
Now you're just trolling.
I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.
I think we had something like 10 draft picks last season, and every single one of them played at some point. A few with major contributions (Kerrigan, Helu, Royster, etc). Obviously he's going to miss on some, but I trust him to pick up depth and the occasional major contributor later in the draft. Plus, as I said, we have $40-50 mil in cap space. That's why losing two 1sts doesn't kill me.
You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.
WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN FREE AGENCY NOW. There are some stub linemen in FA this year and we need to get come. Get some weapons on offense and then we can really start building. One QB was not going to do anything without some weapons. He would do even less without linemen.
Won't happen. Heckert has already said we won't go crazy if FA, that it should be like it was the past two years. Go in FA thinking like that, and if we end up signing a really good FA, then you can be all excited about it, if we don't then it's just what we all expected.
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If you don't think having RGIII instead of John Beck and Sexy Rexy makes a difference, than I don't know what to tell you.
For the last two years we've heard about how Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect since John Elway. Now some have RGIII graded out above him. So yeah, he's not a sure fire HOFer but the hype is there. People are going to want to play with him.
I'll tell you that claiming an untested QB who hasn't even been drafted yet is the next best thing is stupid. And FA don't go places to play with un tested QB's.
I'll tell you that claiming an untested QB who hasn't even been drafted yet is the next best thing is stupid. And FA don't go places to play with un tested QB's.
Yeah, you're right. RG3 isn't better than Rex Grossman or Beck. You can wish all you want about us not getting free agents, that doesn't make it less likely to happen. Now that we have a legit QB, said FAs are more likely to sign with us. There's no denying that.
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Now you're just trolling.
I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.
I think we had something like 10 draft picks last season, and every single one of them played at some point. A few with major contributions (Kerrigan, Helu, Royster, etc). Obviously he's going to miss on some, but I trust him to pick up depth and the occasional major contributor later in the draft. Plus, as I said, we have $40-50 mil in cap space. That's why losing two 1sts doesn't kill me.
You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.
WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN FREE AGENCY NOW. There are some stub linemen in FA this year and we need to get come. Get some weapons on offense and then we can really start building. One QB was not going to do anything without some weapons. He would do even less without linemen.
Won't happen. Heckert has already said we won't go crazy if FA, that it should be like it was the past two years. Go in FA thinking like that, and if we end up signing a really good FA, then you can be all excited about it, if we don't then it's just what we all expected.
I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.
But it has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was just using the Browns QB situation as an example. I don't give a shit about their front office and what type of players they like. That wasn't the point.
You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.
Why wouldn't I base my expectations going forward on what happened last year? Shanahan and Bruce Allen were here last year, not there five years ago. And your other point speaks to that. They cut the team cancers that had come in under a different regime. Every single player they drafted last year were seniors and half of them were team captains at their respective schools. They obviously value character. And fine, exchange Colston for Jackson. Again, just an example I trust them to make the right move.
So anyway, for everyone trying to hate on our trade--from Walter Football:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php
2. Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
The Redskins will be a playoff-caliber team over the next 10 years because of this trade. They did not give up too much. No way. Three first-round picks and a second-rounder is the correct price for a franchise quarterback - especially one whom you don't have to give $50 million guaranteed to right away.
This was also a great trade for the Rams. They'll be in great position to improve their roster over the next few years with all of their first-round selections. In fact, the only losers in this deal are the teams in the NFC East, who will now have to deal with a quarterback who looks like he could be the next Steve Young, and the Browns. I'll get to them later.
*** OTHER 2012 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. None - The Redskins didn't trade up to No. 2 to take anyone but Young Griff.
4. Cleveland Browns: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
The Browns blew it. They absolutely blew it. They had a chance to move up for Robert Griffin in exchange for Nos. 4 and 22, as well as a first-rounder next year. That was the correct price to pay for a franchise quarterback. Mike Holmgren doesn't realize that for some reason, and that's why Cleveland will continue to dwell in the AFC North cellar.
This pick will be Ryan Tannehill if the Browns whiff on Matt Flynn or Kevin Kolb (per a Peyton Manning signing in Arizona). I'm going to assume that Holmgren will sign one of those guys. If he does, I believe he'll target Morris Claiborne. Holmgren loves drafting cornerbacks, and one could argue that the LSU defensive back is the top player available. Cleveland will have dual shutdown corners if Claiborne pans out, which really has to appeal to the former Packer and Seahawk coach.
*** OTHER 2012 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. Ryan Tannehill, QB - Tannehill will be the pick if the Browns can't do anything in free agency. No. 4 is way too early for him, but Holmgren won't have a choice.
2. Trent Richardson, RB - Special Agent Peyton Hillis is a free agent. Running backs shouldn't go this early in the NFL Draft, but Trent Richardson is the best prospect at the position since Adrian Peterson.
NOT Justin Blackmon, WR - Holmgren doesn't believe in drafting receivers this early. Besides, both Claiborne and Richardson are better prospects.
Also, between 1969 and 1990 the Redskins made a total of THREE 1st round picks (Art Monk, Mark May and Darrell Green). In that time we had four trips to the SB and three trophies (and of course another one in 1991). I think we'll survive losing two 1st round picks for our franchise QB.
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Now you're just trolling.
I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.
I think we had something like 10 draft picks last season, and every single one of them played at some point. A few with major contributions (Kerrigan, Helu, Royster, etc). Obviously he's going to miss on some, but I trust him to pick up depth and the occasional major contributor later in the draft. Plus, as I said, we have $40-50 mil in cap space. That's why losing two 1sts doesn't kill me.
You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.
WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN FREE AGENCY NOW. There are some stub linemen in FA this year and we need to get come. Get some weapons on offense and then we can really start building. One QB was not going to do anything without some weapons. He would do even less without linemen.
Won't happen. Heckert has already said we won't go crazy if FA, that it should be like it was the past two years. Go in FA thinking like that, and if we end up signing a really good FA, then you can be all excited about it, if we don't then it's just what we all expected.
I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.
You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.
Everything that you are saying WAS true with Vinny Cerrato as the GM. Now that there is a competent football GM in the front office, we have yet to sign an "overpaid cancer."
You keep spouting off stuff because you hope that it's still true, otherwise you'd have to admit the Skins are on the right track. You sound like Cowboys and Eagles fans trying to convince themselves the Skins aren't a threat.
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I'm really not. The Browns front office does not sign FA who have character concerns (ie not know how fucked up you are before getting behind the wheel of a car and putting people in danger) to their team. They will take chances on draft picks if they believe that their shit is behind them (Taylor, Sheard, and Little all had character concerns last year in the draft) but they will not spend money on someone who have gotten in trouble in the NFL. That's not trolling, it's just fact. On the other hand the Redskins are notorious for bring in players like Jackson.
You have the cap space from cutting how many over paid cancers that you signed to your team over the year... and your plan is to do it all over again. I will also admit you guys had a good draft last year, one on par with the Browns, but how were your drafts before last year? Don't base what will happen the next 3 years on last year.
Everything that you are saying WAS true with Vinny Cerrato as the GM. Now that there is a competent football GM in the front office, we have yet to sign an "overpaid cancer."
You keep spouting off stuff because you hope that it's still true, otherwise you'd have to admit the Skins are on the right track. You sound like Cowboys and Eagles fans trying to convince themselves the Skins aren't a threat.
Everything that you are saying WAS true with Vinny Cerrato as the GM. Now that there is a competent football GM in the front office, we have yet to sign an "overpaid cancer."
You keep spouting off stuff because you hope that it's still true, otherwise you'd have to admit the Skins are on the right track. You sound like Cowboys and Eagles fans trying to convince themselves the Skins aren't a threat.
Exactly.
You post on ES man?
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Everything that you are saying WAS true with Vinny Cerrato as the GM. Now that there is a competent football GM in the front office, we have yet to sign an "overpaid cancer."
You keep spouting off stuff because you hope that it's still true, otherwise you'd have to admit the Skins are on the right track. You sound like Cowboys and Eagles fans trying to convince themselves the Skins aren't a threat.
Exactly.
You post on ES man?
Exactly.
You post on ES man?
All the time. Different handle there though
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