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  • I will say this much at least: I think the scouting of QBs has gotten better as between 1939 when Luckman was taken and 1961 when Snead and Gabriel were taken, only Earl Morral can be called a "good" QB. Things are better since.

    Edit: correction: Billy Wade was a pretty good QB as well. Led the Bears to the 1963 NFL title.

  • I would say Luck is gonna be a bust because the Colts got rid of Dallas Clark and Garcon is testing FA. And there's talk of Wayne being a package deal. If they lose Wayne, who is he going to throw to?

  • USFBrownU USFBrown

    I would say Luck is gonna be a bust because the Colts got rid of Dallas Clark and Garcon is testing FA. And there's talk of Wayne being a package deal. If they lose Wayne, who is he going to throw to?

    @usfbrown said:

    I would say Luck is gonna be a bust because the Colts got rid of Dallas Clark and Garcon is testing FA. And there's talk of Wayne being a package deal. If they lose Wayne, who is he going to throw to?

    Hate to say it, but, yes, Andrew Luck is approaching Tim Couch/David Carr territory: being taken by what is practically a paper team. The Colts seem to me to be literally left with nothing.

    Hell, maybe Luck will pull an Elway and say: I am not playing for the Colts. Trade me. You have no team for me to play on.

    I mean, really, what does that team have left for Luck to play with? Hell, maybe the Colts as a team would be better off trading Luck for 4 first round draft picks.

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  • Zombo said:

    If it has only happened 6 times, that is a small sample size. I think scouting has improved as well.

    I think they both will succeed, if they "bust" I agree it will be becaus eof injury, and Griffin, who is smaller and runs around more, would probably be more susceptible to an injury problem.

    But, if healthy, and surrounded be decent talent I would expect both to be Pro Bowlers within 4 years. We'll see.

    Zombo

    Actually those QBs taken in the 70s and 80s with the first 2 picks were far less prone to complete busthood than those in the 90s, and 2000s. Even those that were not HOFers were pretty good QBs. Bartkowski, Jones, Testaverde.

    None of them were as bad as the likes of Mirer, Leaf, or Russell. Maybe the scouting got better, then it got worse.

  • Zombo said:

    If it has only happened 6 times, that is a small sample size. I think scouting has improved as well.

    I think they both will succeed, if they "bust" I agree it will be becaus eof injury, and Griffin, who is smaller and runs around more, would probably be more susceptible to an injury problem.

    But, if healthy, and surrounded be decent talent I would expect both to be Pro Bowlers within 4 years. We'll see.

    Zombo

    Well, you also have to consider the competition they will have for Pro Bowl status:

    A. Sure the likes of the following will be out probably in 4 years:

    P. Manning, age 35, Brady 34, McNabb 35, Hasselbeck 36.

    B. But, the following will by no means be done with their careers:

    Eli Manning, age 30, Sanchez 25, Vick 31, Ben R. 29, Josh Freeman 23, Stafford 23, Cutler 28, Rodgers 28, Schaub 30, Romo 31, Rivers 30, Alex Smith 27, Brees 32, Palmer 32, Ryan 26, Cassell 29

    C. And consider who will be their contemporaries, drafted in just the last couple of years:

    Dalton, Newton, Locker, Ponder, Bradford, Tebow, and even Colt McCoy.

    As good as these guys are as prospects, I don't see any of the other guys that are starters in this league rolling over a letting these two grab the QB highlights and Pro Bowl selections. They will have stiff competiton for sure....and all I am saying is that, odds are, one of them will quite likely not be up to it.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @usfbrown said:

    I would say Luck is gonna be a bust because the Colts got rid of Dallas Clark and Garcon is testing FA. And there's talk of Wayne being a package deal. If they lose Wayne, who is he going to throw to?

    Hate to say it, but, yes, Andrew Luck is approaching Tim Couch/David Carr territory: being taken by what is practically a paper team. The Colts seem to me to be literally left with nothing.

    Hell, maybe Luck will pull an Elway and say: I am not playing for the Colts. Trade me. You have no team for me to play on.

    I mean, really, what does that team have left for Luck to play with? Hell, maybe the Colts as a team would be better off trading Luck for 4 first round draft picks.

    @the-gipper said:

    Hate to say it, but, yes, Andrew Luck is approaching Tim Couch/David Carr territory: being taken by what is practically a paper team. The Colts seem to me to be literally left with nothing.

    Hell, maybe Luck will pull an Elway and say: I am not playing for the Colts. Trade me. You have no team for me to play on.

    I mean, really, what does that team have left for Luck to play with? Hell, maybe the Colts as a team would be better off trading Luck for 4 first round draft picks.

    How crazy would that be? I'm actually rooting for this to happen now.

  • Zombo said:

    I'm talking very recent. Since 2008 the QBs taken in the Top 3 are all looking promising: Newton, Bradford, Stafford and Ryan.

    Could be a trend.

    Recent busts like Jamarcus Russell had a "feel" that they might be busts. I think people were 50/50 on him. Football people all see to thin Luck and Griffin are the real deal. We shall see.

    Zombo

    We won't see if we ONLY watch Browns games 😵 But who does that? A few people I know.

    Westside Steve e.g. Unless perhaps the Super Bowl he won't watch a game if the Browns are not in it.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @usfbrown said:

    I would say Luck is gonna be a bust because the Colts got rid of Dallas Clark and Garcon is testing FA. And there's talk of Wayne being a package deal. If they lose Wayne, who is he going to throw to?

    Hate to say it, but, yes, Andrew Luck is approaching Tim Couch/David Carr territory: being taken by what is practically a paper team. The Colts seem to me to be literally left with nothing.

    Hell, maybe Luck will pull an Elway and say: I am not playing for the Colts. Trade me. You have no team for me to play on.

    I mean, really, what does that team have left for Luck to play with? Hell, maybe the Colts as a team would be better off trading Luck for 4 first round draft picks.

    @the-gipper said:

    Hate to say it, but, yes, Andrew Luck is approaching Tim Couch/David Carr territory: being taken by what is practically a paper team. The Colts seem to me to be literally left with nothing.

    Hell, maybe Luck will pull an Elway and say: I am not playing for the Colts. Trade me. You have no team for me to play on.

    I mean, really, what does that team have left for Luck to play with? Hell, maybe the Colts as a team would be better off trading Luck for 4 first round draft picks.

    I would love for that to happen. Luck could be a great an but the Colts are in major rebuilding mode and that franchise is in for a shock. It'll probably be many years before they become relevant again. Luck has so much pressure on him.

  • What would be really funny is if they both become a bust.

    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    Colt McFrye ------------- Guaranteed Bust.

    Last time I notice he was not going to be one of the Top 2 draft choices in the 2012 NFL draft.

    Is it really that hard for you to follow a thread?

  • BrownIndianB BrownIndian

    What would be really funny is if they both become a bust.

    @brownindian said:

    What would be really funny is if they both become a bust.

    I noted that historically, there could be about a 33% chance of that happening...though somehow I doubt it. As also noted, this is not 1954. The scouting is better.

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