The Browns GM/Coach Search - from a Patsfan's perspective
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Yes let's listen to a fan of a team Mangini never was the head coach for, played reasonably well against the last 3 years and called them out for cheating and cost them a first round pick and put their 3 super bowls into question. Get serious.
T, am I supposed to listen to a group of fans that have had 3 head coaches in 9 years going on a 4th, hiring their 3rd GM in ten seasons, cannot beat the Steelers, have had 10-11 starting QB's, no playoff victories and two winning seasons? I am pretty sure we could use some outside perspective once in a while - we're developing Stockholm Syndrome, IMO.
I will gladly start listening to anyone outside the Browns community for a while.
T, am I supposed to listen to a group of fans that have had 3 head coaches in 9 years going on a 4th, hiring their 3rd GM in ten seasons, cannot beat the Steelers, have had 10-11 starting QB's, no playoff victories and two winning seasons? I am pretty sure we could use some outside perspective once in a while - we're developing Stockholm Syndrome, IMO.
I will gladly start listening to anyone outside the Browns community for a while.
That's more than fair. I'll admit I overreacted. But I will stick to not listening to someone who hates the guy who might get hired here.
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Personally, I'm tired of this copycat of NE BS. I'm for chopping down the belichick tree in Cleveland and bringing in McKay to administer this organizations football activities. Let's start our own tree. Heckert/Spagnoula.
Find out if Shanahan is interested in coaching.
Ask Ozzie if he is interested in running the organization
Can Bernie be an adviser, at least
Want to create an idenity, start your own tree.
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Its well known that it wasn't Mangini who dragged Farve to the jets, it was Tanenbaum and Johnson, lets not twist the truth here...but he should have benched him at some point down the stretch. I think Mangini is a good coach, the only thing that worries me a little is his lack of emotion, i think he'll do better with a team thats built through the draft than a team of imported vets...he could be good for us...
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Personally, I'm tired of this copycat of NE BS. I'm for chopping down the belichick tree in Cleveland and bringing in McKay to administer this organizations football activities. Let's start our own tree. Heckert/Spagnoula.
Find out if Shanahan is interested in coaching.
Ask Ozzie if he is interested in running the organization
Can Bernie be an adviser, at least
Want to create an idenity, start your own tree.
Personally, I'm tired of this copycat of NE BS. I'm for chopping down the belichick tree in Cleveland and bringing in McKay to administer this organizations football activities. Let's start our own tree. Heckert/Spagnoula.
Find out if Shanahan is interested in coaching.
Ask Ozzie if he is interested in running the organization
Can Bernie be an adviser, at least
Want to create an idenity, start your own tree.
I agree to some degree, but I also think we've tried that from Chris Palmer to Butch Davis. Being that the Browns have NEVER hired a proven NFL coach, I'm more in favor of bringing in Shanahan, Cowher, Parcells, even Schottenheimer.
Those guys aren't going to be clueless and stand on the sideline with a blank stare as if they've never been in that situation before.
Let's buy the entire tree, roots and all.
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Its well known that it wasn't Mangini who dragged Farve to the jets, it was Tanenbaum and Johnson, lets not twist the truth here...but he should have benched him at some point down the stretch. I think Mangini is a good coach, the only thing that worries me a little is his lack of emotion, i think he'll do better with a team thats built through the draft than a team of imported vets...he could be good for us...
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I most certainly like input from other great fans of other teams sometimes we browns fans forget that many nfl fans from many teams threatened to boycott the nfl when cleveland was fighting to keep the browns namesake and history...
I think this patsfan prospective is one worth looking at but i cant help but to think lerner may be trying to get pioli to decide faster by suddenly looking at mangini lerner cant afford to be wrong this time or he will most certainly feel the power of united browns fans...randy is a scrub owner but i think he has more potential as an owner than his father had how much better..who knows?
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Personally, I'm tired of this copycat of NE BS. I'm for chopping down the belichick tree in Cleveland and bringing in McKay to administer this organizations football activities. Let's start our own tree. Heckert/Spagnoula.
Find out if Shanahan is interested in coaching.
Ask Ozzie if he is interested in running the organization
Can Bernie be an adviser, at least
Want to create an idenity, start your own tree.
I agree to some degree, but I also think we've tried that from Chris Palmer to Butch Davis. Being that the Browns have NEVER hired a proven NFL coach, I'm more in favor of bringing in Shanahan, Cowher, Parcells, even Schottenheimer.
Those guys aren't going to be clueless and stand on the sideline with a blank stare as if they've never been in that situation before.
Let's buy the entire tree, roots and all.
I agree to some degree, but I also think we've tried that from Chris Palmer to Butch Davis. Being that the Browns have NEVER hired a proven NFL coach, I'm more in favor of bringing in Shanahan, Cowher, Parcells, even Schottenheimer.
Those guys aren't going to be clueless and stand on the sideline with a blank stare as if they've never been in that situation before.
Let's buy the entire tree, roots and all.
I could go in that direction. That's why I say McKay as a VP in charge of football operations is a good move. Lot's of experience and very well respected within NFL circles. Let him mentor a GM and together they could hire the HC. Let the HC have some say and be responsible for his decisions. Who knows, maybe McKay would bring in someone like McDaniel, Spagnola or Schwartz.
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@shepwrite said:
Nobody in Cleveland liked Belicheck.Are you referring to the media? the public? the organization?
I always liked Belichick and took a fair amount of heat on the message boards because of it.
I don't particularly care if a coach is surly with the media. Heck, listening to Cleveland talk radio should convince anyone that surly is a way of life there.
A curmudgeon, albeit a young one in Belichick's case, at least has some fire.
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@shepwrite said:
Nobody in Cleveland liked Belicheck.That statement is about as ignorant as Mo Carthon's statement that Cleveland's fans and media chased Belichick out of town. The fans didn't chase him out...the media didn't chase him out. Arthur B. Modell struck a deal (on Al Lerner's private jet) to move the team to Baltimore while Belichick was still the coach.
His original surname is Biličić (pronounced BEE-lee-cheech) and he is a fellow Croatian American. His paternal grandparents emigrated from Karlovac, Croatia (from the village of Draganić) in 1897. I'm sure the vast majority of the 30,000+ Croatian Americans living in Cleveland liked him plenty.
I liked him as a coach, too, despite my disagreement regarding that whole Kosar/Testiclerde deal.
-Al
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I lived in Detroit during the Belichick era and I liked the way he was building the team big and tough up the middle. It's those who lived in Cleveland and drank all the negative kool-aid the media was spilling who didn't like him.
The media had their doughnut break room at the Berea complex taken away from them and had to face only Belichick to get news and he wasn't exactly forthcoming ... so they turned on him and started questioning everything.
I cheered the departure of the goofy Kosar ... I had no problem with that other than we didn't have anyone healthy on staff to take the helm.
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If we hire Mangini as a HC instead of Pioli as a GM...... We're gunna suck for 4 more years. Lerner: one week ago you made the right decisions in firing savage and crennel, but now you worry me with mangini talks.
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If we hire Mangini as a HC instead of Pioli as a GM...... We're gunna suck for 4 more years. Lerner: one week ago you made the right decisions in firing savage and crennel, but now you worry me with mangini talks.
If we hire Mangini as a HC instead of Pioli as a GM...... We're gunna suck for 4 more years. Lerner: one week ago you made the right decisions in firing savage and crennel, but now you worry me with mangini talks.
Not that I'm convinced that Mangini is our answer, but tell me how many games Pioli will win us. Do you really think a GM means more to a team then a HC? Obviously Savage did.
Belichick doesn't, he makes the decisions and Pioli watches the money and works with the scouts.
Then there is the speculation that Pioli is just playing us. That comes from both Boston and Cleveland insiders. He threw Ferentz up so he could stonewall the process. So, how has Lerner F**ked up yet. He is interviewing people. He had to interview some candidates before Sunday because their teams are in the playoffs. What's wrong with that? He talked to Cowher and Shanahan, maybe Parcells next. He had to waite until Atlanta lost this week to talk to McKay.
He hasn't named Mangini coach. The media might have though, but I think he is giving Pioli till Monday to shit or get off the pot. Talk is talk, but you could do a hell of a lot worse then Mangini. Would you rather he be interviewing college coaches or some broken down retreads from years gone by.
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If we hire Mangini as a HC instead of Pioli as a GM...... We're gunna suck for 4 more years. Lerner: one week ago you made the right decisions in firing savage and crennel, but now you worry me with mangini talks.
Not that I'm convinced that Mangini is our answer, but tell me how many games Pioli will win us. Do you really think a GM means more to a team then a HC? Obviously Savage did.
Belichick doesn't, he makes the decisions and Pioli watches the money and works with the scouts.
Then there is the speculation that Pioli is just playing us. That comes from both Boston and Cleveland insiders. He threw Ferentz up so he could stonewall the process. So, how has Lerner F**ked up yet. He is interviewing people. He had to interview some candidates before Sunday because their teams are in the playoffs. What's wrong with that? He talked to Cowher and Shanahan, maybe Parcells next. He had to waite until Atlanta lost this week to talk to McKay.
He hasn't named Mangini coach. The media might have though, but I think he is giving Pioli till Monday to shit or get off the pot. Talk is talk, but you could do a hell of a lot worse then Mangini. Would you rather he be interviewing college coaches or some broken down retreads from years gone by.
Not that I'm convinced that Mangini is our answer, but tell me how many games Pioli will win us. Do you really think a GM means more to a team then a HC? Obviously Savage did.
Belichick doesn't, he makes the decisions and Pioli watches the money and works with the scouts.
Then there is the speculation that Pioli is just playing us. That comes from both Boston and Cleveland insiders. He threw Ferentz up so he could stonewall the process. So, how has Lerner F**ked up yet. He is interviewing people. He had to interview some candidates before Sunday because their teams are in the playoffs. What's wrong with that? He talked to Cowher and Shanahan, maybe Parcells next. He had to waite until Atlanta lost this week to talk to McKay.
He hasn't named Mangini coach. The media might have though, but I think he is giving Pioli till Monday to shit or get off the pot. Talk is talk, but you could do a hell of a lot worse then Mangini. Would you rather he be interviewing college coaches or some broken down retreads from years gone by.
Yeah but if Pioli is hired, he picks who the coach is. The coach is the one who wins games. The GM just makes all the player decisions, bringing them in through free agency or the draft. Mangini already failed in NY so why would we pick him up?
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Not that I'm convinced that Mangini is our answer, but tell me how many games Pioli will win us. Do you really think a GM means more to a team then a HC? Obviously Savage did.
Belichick doesn't, he makes the decisions and Pioli watches the money and works with the scouts.
Then there is the speculation that Pioli is just playing us. That comes from both Boston and Cleveland insiders. He threw Ferentz up so he could stonewall the process. So, how has Lerner F**ked up yet. He is interviewing people. He had to interview some candidates before Sunday because their teams are in the playoffs. What's wrong with that? He talked to Cowher and Shanahan, maybe Parcells next. He had to waite until Atlanta lost this week to talk to McKay.
He hasn't named Mangini coach. The media might have though, but I think he is giving Pioli till Monday to shit or get off the pot. Talk is talk, but you could do a hell of a lot worse then Mangini. Would you rather he be interviewing college coaches or some broken down retreads from years gone by.
Yeah but if Pioli is hired, he picks who the coach is. The coach is the one who wins games. The GM just makes all the player decisions, bringing them in through free agency or the draft. Mangini already failed in NY so why would we pick him up?
Yeah but if Pioli is hired, he picks who the coach is. The coach is the one who wins games. The GM just makes all the player decisions, bringing them in through free agency or the draft. Mangini already failed in NY so why would we pick him up?
23-25 in 3 years, with 1 playoff appearance is hardly failure in the NFL at HC. It's about the same as BB did in his first job in 5 years.
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I'm just saying, I dont see us doing anything special with Mangini. Maybe one or two playoff appearances, but we need a team to look foward to in cleveland. The cavs cant be the only answer
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I am not advocating Mangini. But I certainly don't get the hard knocks on him.
Reality is, there are no sure things, no matter who CLE hires.
Masters said:
I am not advocating Mangini. But I certainly don't get the hard knocks on him.Reality is, there are no sure things, no matter who CLE hires.
True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
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Masters said:
I am not advocating Mangini. But I certainly don't get the hard knocks on him.Reality is, there are no sure things, no matter who CLE hires.
True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
Don't we all.
On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
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True. I just want the right solution this time, no more experimenting, no more hiring boneheads like savage, i want the browns to be taken serious in the league.... maybe eventually be in the same sentence with the Patriots, Colts, and Giants.
Don't we all.
On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
Masters said:
Don't we all.On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
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Masters said:
Don't we all.On the plus side, Mangini really wouldn't be experimenting.
I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
I meant not experimenting with with college coaches or anyone who hasn't coached before. We've been down that road before
I followed you. That was my point on Mangini. He has experience at HC and isn't coming from college.
One thing for sure, no college coaches. They don't work.
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