Did Ed Reed Takeover Today's game????
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What makes Taylor Mays more than a banger...........................because the two guys you mentioned Reed and Polamalu are way more than hitters............they are playmakers superb.....
...is Taylor Mays a playmaker or just another banger?????????This team is devoid of offensive playmaking talent we need to look their first especially at RB.......if you cannot score you cannot win........finding a safety right now is the least of this teams problems.........as we have no offensive playmakers and a front seven MIA
What makes Taylor Mays more than a banger...........................because the two guys you mentioned Reed and Polamalu are way more than hitters............they are playmakers superb.....
...is Taylor Mays a playmaker or just another banger?????????
This team is devoid of offensive playmaking talent we need to look their first especially at RB.......if you cannot score you cannot win........finding a safety right now is the least of this teams problems.........as we have no offensive playmakers and a front seven MIA
Rich,
I didn't post this to argue with you. Right now, you're on a mission to argue that anything we do or consider is an error so there's no point.
If you saw Mays vrs Penn State - you have your answer. If not, I don't want to play this game.
We have TONS of needs but they always say in round 1 you take the best player available over need. Don't shoot the mailman.
Countless GOOD RBs came after round 1 like Steve Slaton, Ryan Powell, Maurice Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Sammy Morris, Le'Ron McClain, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward just off the top of my head. Somebody like Wilie Parker wasn't even drafted.
WRs like Marques Colston, Jerricho Cotchery, and Wes Welker were all day 2 draftees. Davone Bess was an ubdrafted free agent.
NE drafts TEs in the first round like Ben Watson and Daniel Graham si I'm sure you've stopped calling that stupid but I remember Bill Belichick wanting Kyle Brady for us and knee jerking for Craig Powell when he lost his mind in panic over the Jets stealing his thunder.
KW has been a good player based on what he has been through phsyically. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade him because people around the league see his perseverence, work ethic and recent Pro Bowl resume enough to see value in adding him.
As I've said, I think you're an intelligent person BUT when you're venting your frustration about this franchise - you're gonna be negative and arguementative no matter what the subject matter is.
We have SEVERAL needs but as I saw today a playmaker like Ed Reed can divert everyone's attention off the reality that Flacco only went 9 of 23 passing. I haven't seen too many 235 pound Freaks running 4.2s but Mays lodged the football loose on 2 different collisions so I saw what I needed to in the BIG Game. When you make those Big plays in the Big game - you get cred for having serious game.
If it was BB drafting a Safety - you'd change criteria like you do with the TE thing and call it the perfect move. And why? He's not employed by Lerner right? Come on - take off the battle armour if you want a sensible discussion.
- Tom F.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I can remember arguing with Rich about Safeties a few years back. Him stating that they are the least important to a team and using one of his "dime a dozen" phrases.
I want an "ERASER" such as the two mentioned as well as Bob Sanders (How did Tressel miss on him out of erie PA?). A guy that can "erase" mistakes, especially from these posers we have at LB.
I love the Safety position, we haven't had one since our re-birth. Please, don't insult the position mentioning Sean Jones.
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with the 5th pick we're gunna be sitting pretty. The four other teams ahead of us are going for offense (QB, LT, QB, and LT) We're obviously going to draft defense, so the real question is, who is the best defensive player that will make an impact? Our defense is weak, so Aaron Curry, James Lauranitis, Rey Maulalgalala (cant spell the last name), malcolm jenkins and Taylor Mays are in the talks
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Masters said:
Great post Tom!!!!!!!Thanks Masters! I love our choices at #5 overall this year. I think we'll get a playmaker that makes a difference and we'll get some people back healthy to lessen the list of need to an extent.
- Tom F.
Thanks Masters! I love our choices at #5 overall this year. I think we'll get a playmaker that makes a difference and we'll get some people back healthy to lessen the list of need to an extent.
- Tom F.
I do too. I believe fully that CLE is much better than their record showed, and the players are better than they performed. The record bouncing in CLE over the last 3 years screams to me of bad coaching.
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What makes Taylor Mays more than a banger...........................because the two guys you mentioned Reed and Polamalu are way more than hitters............they are playmakers superb.....
...is Taylor Mays a playmaker or just another banger?????????
This team is devoid of offensive playmaking talent we need to look their first especially at RB.......if you cannot score you cannot win........finding a safety right now is the least of this teams problems.........as we have no offensive playmakers and a front seven MIA
Rich,
I didn't post this to argue with you. Right now, you're on a mission to argue that anything we do or consider is an error so there's no point.
If you saw Mays vrs Penn State - you have your answer. If not, I don't want to play this game.
We have TONS of needs but they always say in round 1 you take the best player available over need. Don't shoot the mailman.
Countless GOOD RBs came after round 1 like Steve Slaton, Ryan Powell, Maurice Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Sammy Morris, Le'Ron McClain, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward just off the top of my head. Somebody like Wilie Parker wasn't even drafted.
WRs like Marques Colston, Jerricho Cotchery, and Wes Welker were all day 2 draftees. Davone Bess was an ubdrafted free agent.
NE drafts TEs in the first round like Ben Watson and Daniel Graham si I'm sure you've stopped calling that stupid but I remember Bill Belichick wanting Kyle Brady for us and knee jerking for Craig Powell when he lost his mind in panic over the Jets stealing his thunder.
KW has been a good player based on what he has been through phsyically. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade him because people around the league see his perseverence, work ethic and recent Pro Bowl resume enough to see value in adding him.
As I've said, I think you're an intelligent person BUT when you're venting your frustration about this franchise - you're gonna be negative and arguementative no matter what the subject matter is.
We have SEVERAL needs but as I saw today a playmaker like Ed Reed can divert everyone's attention off the reality that Flacco only went 9 of 23 passing. I haven't seen too many 235 pound Freaks running 4.2s but Mays lodged the football loose on 2 different collisions so I saw what I needed to in the BIG Game. When you make those Big plays in the Big game - you get cred for having serious game.
If it was BB drafting a Safety - you'd change criteria like you do with the TE thing and call it the perfect move. And why? He's not employed by Lerner right? Come on - take off the battle armour if you want a sensible discussion.
- Tom F.
Rich,
I didn't post this to argue with you. Right now, you're on a mission to argue that anything we do or consider is an error so there's no point.
If you saw Mays vrs Penn State - you have your answer. If not, I don't want to play this game.
We have TONS of needs but they always say in round 1 you take the best player available over need. Don't shoot the mailman.
Countless GOOD RBs came after round 1 like Steve Slaton, Ryan Powell, Maurice Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Sammy Morris, Le'Ron McClain, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward just off the top of my head. Somebody like Wilie Parker wasn't even drafted.
WRs like Marques Colston, Jerricho Cotchery, and Wes Welker were all day 2 draftees. Davone Bess was an ubdrafted free agent.
NE drafts TEs in the first round like Ben Watson and Daniel Graham si I'm sure you've stopped calling that stupid but I remember Bill Belichick wanting Kyle Brady for us and knee jerking for Craig Powell when he lost his mind in panic over the Jets stealing his thunder.
KW has been a good player based on what he has been through phsyically. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade him because people around the league see his perseverence, work ethic and recent Pro Bowl resume enough to see value in adding him.
As I've said, I think you're an intelligent person BUT when you're venting your frustration about this franchise - you're gonna be negative and arguementative no matter what the subject matter is.
We have SEVERAL needs but as I saw today a playmaker like Ed Reed can divert everyone's attention off the reality that Flacco only went 9 of 23 passing. I haven't seen too many 235 pound Freaks running 4.2s but Mays lodged the football loose on 2 different collisions so I saw what I needed to in the BIG Game. When you make those Big plays in the Big game - you get cred for having serious game.
If it was BB drafting a Safety - you'd change criteria like you do with the TE thing and call it the perfect move. And why? He's not employed by Lerner right? Come on - take off the battle armour if you want a sensible discussion.
- Tom F.
Geez Tom, you need to take a chill pill. IF you read my response to you I asked a question as to what makes Mays more than a banger...........that I already KNEW......I saw his cheapshot helmet to helmet hit that would have cost fifteen in the NFL...........and yes I know he is a banger,...........my position is clear........if I am going to use the first round fourth or fifth pick on a safety he better the complete package................and that means having massive instincts and ball hawking skills not just the ability to hit somebody hard........
So after your insulting post to me I did simple preliminary research into the question I asked you that you failed to answer
BEST I CAN TELL Mays has 4 INTS in his three years at USC and none this year............thus from my preliminary research I am not going to use such a high pick on a player who is not a game changer.........like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu ARE
Further you seem to discount the value of RB's..........Miami has two high no 1 picks on their roster.,,,,,,,,,,Indy has a no 1 pick as their RB,,,,,,,,as does SD in Tomlinson,,,,,,,,,and Tenn has a one and two pick as a tandem.....Minny has a premier one stud pick we got a tackle......The Steelers have a no 1 pick RB........and the Panthers have TWO no 1 picks in the backfield and Baltimore has a one pick as well.........I am not sure where Westbrook got drafted you can fill that in........and yes indeed the Giants have zero one picks on their roster.......and you can fill in blanks about Atlanta.......but yes Arizona feature back is another one pick..........pretty impressive those one picks on playoff teams
seems to me playoff teams value RB's higher than Safeties unless you can provide similar data on safeties being one picks of teams
So my point is not about ARGUING with you it is about debating the merits of whom to use that high pick on which we have successfully blown now about six times on the last several years on players who are not playmakers........I find it amsuing board members insulting me about my views only to have them validated year after year........so let's debate open minded maybe you and others can gain insight instead of being ruffled by good data and opinions
it is about numbers and stats in the end and W's and L's..........my track record speaks for itself
I am open to Mays..........but a safety with four int's in three years is not my idea of a fourth pick in the whole draft
Our offense is devoid of talent...............and oh yeah you brought up NE using a first on TE's those picks were 31 and 32 respectively.......not number 6 which we did BIG DIFFERNCE.......
anyway we can discuss this and debate whom to draft or you can just get puffed up because my initial reaction is to challenge selecting Mays with that one pick
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Rich,
I didn't post this to argue with you. Right now, you're on a mission to argue that anything we do or consider is an error so there's no point.
If you saw Mays vrs Penn State - you have your answer. If not, I don't want to play this game.
We have TONS of needs but they always say in round 1 you take the best player available over need. Don't shoot the mailman.
Countless GOOD RBs came after round 1 like Steve Slaton, Ryan Powell, Maurice Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Sammy Morris, Le'Ron McClain, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward just off the top of my head. Somebody like Wilie Parker wasn't even drafted.
WRs like Marques Colston, Jerricho Cotchery, and Wes Welker were all day 2 draftees. Davone Bess was an ubdrafted free agent.
NE drafts TEs in the first round like Ben Watson and Daniel Graham si I'm sure you've stopped calling that stupid but I remember Bill Belichick wanting Kyle Brady for us and knee jerking for Craig Powell when he lost his mind in panic over the Jets stealing his thunder.
KW has been a good player based on what he has been through phsyically. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade him because people around the league see his perseverence, work ethic and recent Pro Bowl resume enough to see value in adding him.
As I've said, I think you're an intelligent person BUT when you're venting your frustration about this franchise - you're gonna be negative and arguementative no matter what the subject matter is.
We have SEVERAL needs but as I saw today a playmaker like Ed Reed can divert everyone's attention off the reality that Flacco only went 9 of 23 passing. I haven't seen too many 235 pound Freaks running 4.2s but Mays lodged the football loose on 2 different collisions so I saw what I needed to in the BIG Game. When you make those Big plays in the Big game - you get cred for having serious game.
If it was BB drafting a Safety - you'd change criteria like you do with the TE thing and call it the perfect move. And why? He's not employed by Lerner right? Come on - take off the battle armour if you want a sensible discussion.
- Tom F.
Geez Tom, you need to take a chill pill. IF you read my response to you I asked a question as to what makes Mays more than a banger...........that I already KNEW......I saw his cheapshot helmet to helmet hit that would have cost fifteen in the NFL...........and yes I know he is a banger,...........my position is clear........if I am going to use the first round fourth or fifth pick on a safety he better the complete package................and that means having massive instincts and ball hawking skills not just the ability to hit somebody hard........
So after your insulting post to me I did simple preliminary research into the question I asked you that you failed to answer
BEST I CAN TELL Mays has 4 INTS in his three years at USC and none this year............thus from my preliminary research I am not going to use such a high pick on a player who is not a game changer.........like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu ARE
Further you seem to discount the value of RB's..........Miami has two high no 1 picks on their roster.,,,,,,,,,,Indy has a no 1 pick as their RB,,,,,,,,as does SD in Tomlinson,,,,,,,,,and Tenn has a one and two pick as a tandem.....Minny has a premier one stud pick we got a tackle......The Steelers have a no 1 pick RB........and the Panthers have TWO no 1 picks in the backfield and Baltimore has a one pick as well.........I am not sure where Westbrook got drafted you can fill that in........and yes indeed the Giants have zero one picks on their roster.......and you can fill in blanks about Atlanta.......but yes Arizona feature back is another one pick..........pretty impressive those one picks on playoff teams
seems to me playoff teams value RB's higher than Safeties unless you can provide similar data on safeties being one picks of teams
So my point is not about ARGUING with you it is about debating the merits of whom to use that high pick on which we have successfully blown now about six times on the last several years on players who are not playmakers........I find it amsuing board members insulting me about my views only to have them validated year after year........so let's debate open minded maybe you and others can gain insight instead of being ruffled by good data and opinions
it is about numbers and stats in the end and W's and L's..........my track record speaks for itself
I am open to Mays..........but a safety with four int's in three years is not my idea of a fourth pick in the whole draft
Our offense is devoid of talent...............and oh yeah you brought up NE using a first on TE's those picks were 31 and 32 respectively.......not number 6 which we did BIG DIFFERNCE.......
anyway we can discuss this and debate whom to draft or you can just get puffed up because my initial reaction is to challenge selecting Mays with that one pick
Further you seem to discount the value of RB's..........Miami has two high no 1 picks on their roster.,,,,,,,,,,Indy has a no 1 pick as their RB,,,,,,,,as does SD in Tomlinson,,,,,,,,,and Tenn has a one and two pick as a tandem.....Minny has a premier one stud pick we got a tackle......The Steelers have a no 1 pick RB........and the Panthers have TWO no 1 picks in the backfield and Baltimore has a one pick as well.........I am not sure where Westbrook got drafted you can fill that in........and yes indeed the Giants have zero one picks on their roster.......and you can fill in blanks about Atlanta.......but yes Arizona feature back is another one pick..........pretty impressive those one picks on playoff teams
Miami - Brown is very nice, Williams hasn't really amounted to much outside of the yoga studio.
Indy - Addai hasn't proven able to carry the load.
SD - Won last night on the legs of a 4th round pick, not Tomlinson.
Tenn - No arguments here.
Minny - see Tenn
Steelers - Their #1 pick hasn't done anything. They rode a UDFA to success.
Panthers - see Tenn.
Balt - Someone else's #1 who is #3 on their depth chart.
Phil - Wesbrook was a 3rd round pick.
Giants - all late picks.
Atlanta - Turner was a 5th rounder.
Arizona - someone else's first round pick, but Edge was great in Indy, so no arguments (even though he is shot now).
As you can see, it's a crapshoot when drafting RB's.
I already crunched the numbers here.
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Rich,
I didn't post this to argue with you. Right now, you're on a mission to argue that anything we do or consider is an error so there's no point.
If you saw Mays vrs Penn State - you have your answer. If not, I don't want to play this game.
We have TONS of needs but they always say in round 1 you take the best player available over need. Don't shoot the mailman.
Countless GOOD RBs came after round 1 like Steve Slaton, Ryan Powell, Maurice Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Michael Turner, Sammy Morris, Le'Ron McClain, Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward just off the top of my head. Somebody like Wilie Parker wasn't even drafted.
WRs like Marques Colston, Jerricho Cotchery, and Wes Welker were all day 2 draftees. Davone Bess was an ubdrafted free agent.
NE drafts TEs in the first round like Ben Watson and Daniel Graham si I'm sure you've stopped calling that stupid but I remember Bill Belichick wanting Kyle Brady for us and knee jerking for Craig Powell when he lost his mind in panic over the Jets stealing his thunder.
KW has been a good player based on what he has been through phsyically. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to trade him because people around the league see his perseverence, work ethic and recent Pro Bowl resume enough to see value in adding him.
As I've said, I think you're an intelligent person BUT when you're venting your frustration about this franchise - you're gonna be negative and arguementative no matter what the subject matter is.
We have SEVERAL needs but as I saw today a playmaker like Ed Reed can divert everyone's attention off the reality that Flacco only went 9 of 23 passing. I haven't seen too many 235 pound Freaks running 4.2s but Mays lodged the football loose on 2 different collisions so I saw what I needed to in the BIG Game. When you make those Big plays in the Big game - you get cred for having serious game.
If it was BB drafting a Safety - you'd change criteria like you do with the TE thing and call it the perfect move. And why? He's not employed by Lerner right? Come on - take off the battle armour if you want a sensible discussion.
- Tom F.
Geez Tom, you need to take a chill pill. IF you read my response to you I asked a question as to what makes Mays more than a banger...........that I already KNEW......I saw his cheapshot helmet to helmet hit that would have cost fifteen in the NFL...........and yes I know he is a banger,...........my position is clear........if I am going to use the first round fourth or fifth pick on a safety he better the complete package................and that means having massive instincts and ball hawking skills not just the ability to hit somebody hard........
So after your insulting post to me I did simple preliminary research into the question I asked you that you failed to answer
BEST I CAN TELL Mays has 4 INTS in his three years at USC and none this year............thus from my preliminary research I am not going to use such a high pick on a player who is not a game changer.........like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu ARE
Further you seem to discount the value of RB's..........Miami has two high no 1 picks on their roster.,,,,,,,,,,Indy has a no 1 pick as their RB,,,,,,,,as does SD in Tomlinson,,,,,,,,,and Tenn has a one and two pick as a tandem.....Minny has a premier one stud pick we got a tackle......The Steelers have a no 1 pick RB........and the Panthers have TWO no 1 picks in the backfield and Baltimore has a one pick as well.........I am not sure where Westbrook got drafted you can fill that in........and yes indeed the Giants have zero one picks on their roster.......and you can fill in blanks about Atlanta.......but yes Arizona feature back is another one pick..........pretty impressive those one picks on playoff teams
seems to me playoff teams value RB's higher than Safeties unless you can provide similar data on safeties being one picks of teams
So my point is not about ARGUING with you it is about debating the merits of whom to use that high pick on which we have successfully blown now about six times on the last several years on players who are not playmakers........I find it amsuing board members insulting me about my views only to have them validated year after year........so let's debate open minded maybe you and others can gain insight instead of being ruffled by good data and opinions
it is about numbers and stats in the end and W's and L's..........my track record speaks for itself
I am open to Mays..........but a safety with four int's in three years is not my idea of a fourth pick in the whole draft
Our offense is devoid of talent...............and oh yeah you brought up NE using a first on TE's those picks were 31 and 32 respectively.......not number 6 which we did BIG DIFFERNCE.......
anyway we can discuss this and debate whom to draft or you can just get puffed up because my initial reaction is to challenge selecting Mays with that one pick
Geez Tom, you need to take a chill pill. IF you read my response to you I asked a question as to what makes Mays more than a banger...........that I already KNEW......I saw his cheapshot helmet to helmet hit that would have cost fifteen in the NFL...........and yes I know he is a banger,...........my position is clear........if I am going to use the first round fourth or fifth pick on a safety he better the complete package................and that means having massive instincts and ball hawking skills not just the ability to hit somebody hard........
So after your insulting post to me I did simple preliminary research into the question I asked you that you failed to answer
BEST I CAN TELL Mays has 4 INTS in his three years at USC and none this year............thus from my preliminary research I am not going to use such a high pick on a player who is not a game changer.........like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu ARE
Further you seem to discount the value of RB's..........Miami has two high no 1 picks on their roster.,,,,,,,,,,Indy has a no 1 pick as their RB,,,,,,,,as does SD in Tomlinson,,,,,,,,,and Tenn has a one and two pick as a tandem.....Minny has a premier one stud pick we got a tackle......The Steelers have a no 1 pick RB........and the Panthers have TWO no 1 picks in the backfield and Baltimore has a one pick as well.........I am not sure where Westbrook got drafted you can fill that in........and yes indeed the Giants have zero one picks on their roster.......and you can fill in blanks about Atlanta.......but yes Arizona feature back is another one pick..........pretty impressive those one picks on playoff teams
seems to me playoff teams value RB's higher than Safeties unless you can provide similar data on safeties being one picks of teams
So my point is not about ARGUING with you it is about debating the merits of whom to use that high pick on which we have successfully blown now about six times on the last several years on players who are not playmakers........I find it amsuing board members insulting me about my views only to have them validated year after year........so let's debate open minded maybe you and others can gain insight instead of being ruffled by good data and opinions
it is about numbers and stats in the end and W's and L's..........my track record speaks for itself
I am open to Mays..........but a safety with four int's in three years is not my idea of a fourth pick in the whole draft
Our offense is devoid of talent...............and oh yeah you brought up NE using a first on TE's those picks were 31 and 32 respectively.......not number 6 which we did BIG DIFFERNCE.......
anyway we can discuss this and debate whom to draft or you can just get puffed up because my initial reaction is to challenge selecting Mays with that one pick
Rich, stats do not tell the entire story.......Troy Palamalu had only 6 interceptions during his 3 years at USC, so using your theory it would not have been smart for the Steelers to draft Palamalu because he only had 6 interceptions at USC
Maybe Taylor Mays does not have many interceptions because teams don't throw in his direction
These are all college kids and people draft based on potential, Mays at 6'2...240 Lbs with 4.2 speed you don't find that in many players and shows the potential to be a difference maker either with a big hit, run stop or interception.
The top 2 running backs in this years draft class is Chris Wells and Knowshon Moreno and both guys would be a risk to take as high as #5, the only skill player worthy of a selection at #5 is Michael Crabtree and you only draft him if you plan on trading Braylon Edwards because you can't afford to have 2 wide receivers making close to 20 Million Dollars on the same team.
Rich tell us who you would draft with the #5 pick since you don't think Taylor Mays is worth the pick.
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mz the pussy, Good post especially the link................except you rationalized why nine out of twelve teams having a first round running back or two was insginificant as to why they are successful........especially throwing Addai and Tomlinson under the bus..........but you have your view ...............if you can discard the importance of all those first round QB's on the playoff teams that would be good too.......because before we drafted Quinn that was also popular around here that you could get QB's anywhere in the draft as well
First and foremost of importance to winning is a franchise QB and second of importance is a game breaker RB................both of which usually happen in round one and history bears that out..........
Your post was informative and factual as to where folks got drafted in the link..........even if you skewed the significance of Tomlinson to SD and Addai to Indy and discarded any value for Williams at Miami
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mz. said:
Perhaps not, FREAK, but he can certainly be a bigger part of a RBBC than two touches per.This is True...
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Geez Tom, you need to take a chill pill. IF you read my response to you I asked a question as to what makes Mays more than a banger...........that I already KNEW......I saw his cheapshot helmet to helmet hit that would have cost fifteen in the NFL...........and yes I know he is a banger,...........my position is clear........if I am going to use the first round fourth or fifth pick on a safety he better the complete package................and that means having massive instincts and ball hawking skills not just the ability to hit somebody hard........
So after your insulting post to me I did simple preliminary research into the question I asked you that you failed to answer
BEST I CAN TELL Mays has 4 INTS in his three years at USC and none this year............thus from my preliminary research I am not going to use such a high pick on a player who is not a game changer.........like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu ARE
Further you seem to discount the value of RB's..........Miami has two high no 1 picks on their roster.,,,,,,,,,,Indy has a no 1 pick as their RB,,,,,,,,as does SD in Tomlinson,,,,,,,,,and Tenn has a one and two pick as a tandem.....Minny has a premier one stud pick we got a tackle......The Steelers have a no 1 pick RB........and the Panthers have TWO no 1 picks in the backfield and Baltimore has a one pick as well.........I am not sure where Westbrook got drafted you can fill that in........and yes indeed the Giants have zero one picks on their roster.......and you can fill in blanks about Atlanta.......but yes Arizona feature back is another one pick..........pretty impressive those one picks on playoff teams
seems to me playoff teams value RB's higher than Safeties unless you can provide similar data on safeties being one picks of teams
So my point is not about ARGUING with you it is about debating the merits of whom to use that high pick on which we have successfully blown now about six times on the last several years on players who are not playmakers........I find it amsuing board members insulting me about my views only to have them validated year after year........so let's debate open minded maybe you and others can gain insight instead of being ruffled by good data and opinions
it is about numbers and stats in the end and W's and L's..........my track record speaks for itself
I am open to Mays..........but a safety with four int's in three years is not my idea of a fourth pick in the whole draft
Our offense is devoid of talent...............and oh yeah you brought up NE using a first on TE's those picks were 31 and 32 respectively.......not number 6 which we did BIG DIFFERNCE.......
anyway we can discuss this and debate whom to draft or you can just get puffed up because my initial reaction is to challenge selecting Mays with that one pick
Rich, stats do not tell the entire story.......Troy Palamalu had only 6 interceptions during his 3 years at USC, so using your theory it would not have been smart for the Steelers to draft Palamalu because he only had 6 interceptions at USC
Maybe Taylor Mays does not have many interceptions because teams don't throw in his direction
These are all college kids and people draft based on potential, Mays at 6'2...240 Lbs with 4.2 speed you don't find that in many players and shows the potential to be a difference maker either with a big hit, run stop or interception.
The top 2 running backs in this years draft class is Chris Wells and Knowshon Moreno and both guys would be a risk to take as high as #5, the only skill player worthy of a selection at #5 is Michael Crabtree and you only draft him if you plan on trading Braylon Edwards because you can't afford to have 2 wide receivers making close to 20 Million Dollars on the same team.
Rich tell us who you would draft with the #5 pick since you don't think Taylor Mays is worth the pick.
Rich, stats do not tell the entire story.......Troy Palamalu had only 6 interceptions during his 3 years at USC, so using your theory it would not have been smart for the Steelers to draft Palamalu because he only had 6 interceptions at USC
Maybe Taylor Mays does not have many interceptions because teams don't throw in his direction
These are all college kids and people draft based on potential, Mays at 6'2...240 Lbs with 4.2 speed you don't find that in many players and shows the potential to be a difference maker either with a big hit, run stop or interception.
The top 2 running backs in this years draft class is Chris Wells and Knowshon Moreno and both guys would be a risk to take as high as #5, the only skill player worthy of a selection at #5 is Michael Crabtree and you only draft him if you plan on trading Braylon Edwards because you can't afford to have 2 wide receivers making close to 20 Million Dollars on the same team.
Rich tell us who you would draft with the #5 pick since you don't think Taylor Mays is worth the pick.
I will start with your last first........I have not decided whom to pick with the fifth pick but am leaning RB or WR if the right guy is there and worth it. Who would you pick?
Polamalu was the sixteenth pick is way different than the fifth pick and he was a Strong Safety on College which limits int's way more than being a free safety. And I do not know if he was a three year starter. Mays played free safety which is ideal for getting int's.....because there is no direction to him..........the free safety is free to make plays so I disagree with your premise they avoided throwing in his direction.......At Pittsburgh Polamalu is more a free safety than strong safety.
Using your int criteria Polamalu had 50% more int's in college than Mays a significant number at a position that is harder to get int's.
Further the fifth pick is way higher than the 16th pick which says Mays should be twice the player Polamalu is to go that high and must be a total disrupter on D. I would not rule out taking Crabtreee either. I just do not believe a team with no RB's and virtually no WR's picking five should be taking a safety with that pick. I would not take Mays with that pick unless the whole draft is void of offensive talent or a destructive pass rusher.
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
mz the pussy, Good post especially the link................except you rationalized why nine out of twelve teams having a first round running back or two was insginificant as to why they are successful........especially throwing Addai and Tomlinson under the bus..........but you have your view ...............if you can discard the importance of all those first round QB's on the playoff teams that would be good too.......because before we drafted Quinn that was also popular around here that you could get QB's anywhere in the draft as well
First and foremost of importance to winning is a franchise QB and second of importance is a game breaker RB................both of which usually happen in round one and history bears that out..........
Your post was informative and factual as to where folks got drafted in the link..........even if you skewed the significance of Tomlinson to SD and Addai to Indy and discarded any value for Williams at Miami
you rationalized why nine out of twelve teams having a first round running back or two was insginificant as to why they are successful........especially throwing Addai and Tomlinson under the bus
I was merely attempting to discuss why drafting a RB in the 1st round isn't necessarily a secret to success, as 9 of the top 20 rushers were first round picks this season, and the playoff RB's seemed to be a mixed bag of draft positions. What I am not trying to rationalize is the fact that you need a GOOD RB, regardless of his draft position, to be successful. And all the playoff teams do have that with a few exceptions (AZ).
And I apologize to LT2 and Addai (esp. to LT2, who is one of the all-time greats), but the two of them did a combined nada yesterday...
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I was not discussing yesterday as the enveloping story of success..........I was pointing where the RB's got drafted on the 12 teams that made the playoffs.......not that you have to find them there but success in finding big time stars often comes in round one
I also was trying make a case that having great running backs leads to playoff teams and that first round backs usually become the best backs and most superstar backs come from the first round
The playoff teams this year bring out the fact huge..........like 11 first round backs on the 12 twelves
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Rich, stats do not tell the entire story.......Troy Palamalu had only 6 interceptions during his 3 years at USC, so using your theory it would not have been smart for the Steelers to draft Palamalu because he only had 6 interceptions at USC
Maybe Taylor Mays does not have many interceptions because teams don't throw in his direction
These are all college kids and people draft based on potential, Mays at 6'2...240 Lbs with 4.2 speed you don't find that in many players and shows the potential to be a difference maker either with a big hit, run stop or interception.
The top 2 running backs in this years draft class is Chris Wells and Knowshon Moreno and both guys would be a risk to take as high as #5, the only skill player worthy of a selection at #5 is Michael Crabtree and you only draft him if you plan on trading Braylon Edwards because you can't afford to have 2 wide receivers making close to 20 Million Dollars on the same team.
Rich tell us who you would draft with the #5 pick since you don't think Taylor Mays is worth the pick.
I will start with your last first........I have not decided whom to pick with the fifth pick but am leaning RB or WR if the right guy is there and worth it. Who would you pick?
Polamalu was the sixteenth pick is way different than the fifth pick and he was a Strong Safety on College which limits int's way more than being a free safety. And I do not know if he was a three year starter. Mays played free safety which is ideal for getting int's.....because there is no direction to him..........the free safety is free to make plays so I disagree with your premise they avoided throwing in his direction.......At Pittsburgh Polamalu is more a free safety than strong safety.
Using your int criteria Polamalu had 50% more int's in college than Mays a significant number at a position that is harder to get int's.
Further the fifth pick is way higher than the 16th pick which says Mays should be twice the player Polamalu is to go that high and must be a total disrupter on D. I would not rule out taking Crabtreee either. I just do not believe a team with no RB's and virtually no WR's picking five should be taking a safety with that pick. I would not take Mays with that pick unless the whole draft is void of offensive talent or a destructive pass rusher.
I will start with your last first........I have not decided whom to pick with the fifth pick but am leaning RB or WR if the right guy is there and worth it. Who would you pick?
Polamalu was the sixteenth pick is way different than the fifth pick and he was a Strong Safety on College which limits int's way more than being a free safety. And I do not know if he was a three year starter. Mays played free safety which is ideal for getting int's.....because there is no direction to him..........the free safety is free to make plays so I disagree with your premise they avoided throwing in his direction.......At Pittsburgh Polamalu is more a free safety than strong safety.
Using your int criteria Polamalu had 50% more int's in college than Mays a significant number at a position that is harder to get int's.
Further the fifth pick is way higher than the 16th pick which says Mays should be twice the player Polamalu is to go that high and must be a total disrupter on D. I would not rule out taking Crabtreee either. I just do not believe a team with no RB's and virtually no WR's picking five should be taking a safety with that pick. I would not take Mays with that pick unless the whole draft is void of offensive talent or a destructive pass rusher.
Rich if I was drafting and stayed at # 5 I would select Taylor Mays or if I am looking at this team for the long term and Sanchez the QB from USC is available at #5 I would select him and trade both Andersen and Quinn, I know I will upset many Browns fans here but I think Sanchez will be the next Dan Marino, I liked the drafting of Brady Quinn but what I saw from him in the 3 games I saw a replay of Charlie Frye with the dink and dunk passing and I truly believe Sanchez will be something special just my IMO.
I think the best move on the Browns part though might be to trade down and get some extra picks because I don't see much difference from what will be available at #5 and what will be available at 10-15, I can't get all that excited about drafting a inside linebacker like Aaron Curry at #5 like some people want because I don't feel a inside linebacker is a difference maker with that early of a pick and at #5 I feel you have to draft a player thats a potential Pro Bowl player and only Taylor Mays, Crabtree and Sanchez fit that type of player to me.
As I mentioned other than Michael Crabtree and Sanchez I see no offensive player worthy of a #5 pick in this draft.
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I was not discussing yesterday as the enveloping story of success..........I was pointing where the RB's got drafted on the 12 teams that made the playoffs.......not that you have to find them there but success in finding big time stars often comes in round one
I also was trying make a case that having great running backs leads to playoff teams and that first round backs usually become the best backs and most superstar backs come from the first round
The playoff teams this year bring out the fact huge..........like 11 first round backs on the 12 twelves
The playoff teams this year bring out the fact huge..........like 11 first round backs on the 12 twelves
Huh?
You make no sense and you're barking up the wrong tree, rich. Perhaps you should start with QB's, then.
Miami - Pennington, Mid Rd. 1
Indy - P Manning, #1 Overall
SD - Rivers, top 5 overall.
Tenn - Collins, Top 5 overall with another top 5er overall behind him.
Minny - Jackson, Rd. 2
Steelers - Ben, Round 1.
Panthers - Delhomme was a UDFA I think. Like Warner, an anomaly.
Balt - Flacco, Rd. 1
Phil - McNabb, top 5 overall.
Giants - E Manning, #1 overall.
Atlanta - Ryan, #3 overall this year I believe.
Arizona - Warner (UDFA?) with a 1st rounder waiting his turn.
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