Ah, Newt

calfoxwc

And yet, Heck and all the rest of the liberal wonks, would go angry and outraged as hell,

if Rush had said it.

They would demand he be fired, and jailed, and tortured.

But let it be said by anybody on their side.... it's great.

See? If it benefits Heck emotionally, it's good. But if it does NOT benefit him emotionally, it's FREAKIN BAD AND DISGRACEFUL.

It's a kind of power - to use the same leverage for yourself, and against others at the same time.

They just keep doing it, and apparently can't help it.

Sad.

MLD Woody

I don't think Cal understands the difference either, lol

Westside Steve

I think the practice of getting out raged over every little tiny thing and demanding an apology is, or at least should be, embarrassing for everyone.

I think there's a whole lot more of it on the left but no one's hands are clean to be sure.

I'd rather have a "F you, get over it." than a fake apology.

WSS

Westside Steve

And my oft repeated tagline...

Had a republican made any kind of a racial joke......

Well you get the idea.

WSS

heckofajobbrownie

Of course, it matters what the joke is.

This one is just a play off the media's meme from 2008.

MLD Woody

Exactly...

I mean, the left can say this hurtful hurtful rhetoric but as soon as Bill OReilly calls Obama a N***** the left is up in arms...

Not fair

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

Exactly...

I mean, the left can say this hurtful hurtful rhetoric but as soon as Bill OReilly calls Obama a N***** the left is up in arms...

Not fair

Yep. That happens all the time Wody.

WSS

MLD Woody

I meant to say "if"

then the joke would have made more sense

(the joke is about some of you treating situations that aren't similar as the same)

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

I meant to say "if"

then the joke would have made more sense

(the joke is about some of you treating situations that aren't similar as the same)

Yeah?

Fair enough.

Let's have a few examples.

WSS

MLD Woody

This

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

This

So the fictitious o'reilly ref is all you have?

Good work woody!

WSS

MLD Woody

Lol no, the thread topic

gimme a break I'm in class

heckofajobbrownie

Problem is, conservative comedy is like left-wing talk radio: it doesn't really work.

Westside Steve

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Problem is, conservative comedy is like left-wing talk radio: it doesn't really work.

That certainly seems true.

But that doesn't explain or excuse the imbalance of outrage.

I mean come on if Newt had said we needed a white first lady......

WSS

Westside Steve

And the thing with liberal and conservative talk radio is interesting.

It's the liberals, who are usually a lot funnier who are either nasty enough to make limbaugh seem like mister rogers or angry and sullen when they have more than 30 minutes to kill.

Plus you guys had springer!

WSS

heckofajobbrownie

@westside-steve said:

That certainly seems true.

But that doesn't explain or excuse the imbalance of outrage.

I mean come on if Newt had said we needed a white first lady......

WSS

Because it wouldn't be the same joke. That's why the reaction would be different.

For another thing, for people to laugh when you do racial humor they have to have a sense that you don't actually resent the race of the people you're poking fun of. Newt, of the "food stamp president" and "I don't want to give black people handouts" mold, wouldn't be able to tell those jokes effectively.

People have to think you're trying to be humorous, not derisive. That's key.

heckofajobbrownie

Oh, Jeez...

Robert DeNiro has apologized for his joke at an Obama fundraiser Monday night about America’s not being ready for a “white first lady.” In a statement to the Associated Press, DeNiro insisted that while his remarks were “spoken in jest,” he didn’t mean to offend anyone, particularly the first lady, whose spokeswoman called the joke “inappropriate.”

Westside Steve

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Because it wouldn't be the same joke. That's why the reaction would be different.

People have to think you're trying to be humorous, not derisive. That's key.

Now that's funny!

WSS

The Cysko Kid

@heckofajobbrownie said:

Because it wouldn't be the same joke. That's why the reaction would be different.

For another thing, for people to laugh when you do racial humor they have to have a sense that you don't actually resent the race of the people you're poking fun of. Newt, of the "food stamp president" and "I don't want to give black people handouts" mold, wouldn't be able to tell those jokes effectively.

People have to think you're trying to be humorous, not derisive. That's key.

It's not funny. It's a double standard. Bad job out of deniro.

heckofajobbrownie

@westside-steve said:

Now that's funny!

WSS

I tend to think I know a little bit more about this than you do, my friend.

You can't poke fun at race if people think you're doing it from a bad place, or if the punchline touches on racist attitudes. It's often a narrow line. But Newt Gingrich saying, "Now do you really think our country is ready for another black first lady? Too soon, right?" is not even close to being a joke, and it would never get a laugh. People would be stunned. You'd hear crickets. And then you'd make news for saying something peculiar.

Because it's not the same joke. It's not the reverse just because you put the same words in someone else's mouth. Everything is different but the words. The premise changes. It's no longer referencing a cultural meme. Everything falls apart.

Try this same theory, but with an even more obvious example:

Chris Rock: "I love black people, but I hate niggers."

Newt Gingrich: "I love black people, but I hate niggers."

...Get my drift? It matters who is telling the joke, and why they're telling it, and what the reference is.