4 More Picks
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
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If we went strictly by the player rankings done by Scout.com, the Browns would pick up the following:
4 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor (despite the hype, they still have Claiborne rated higher)
22 Zebri Sanders OG
37 Alshon Jefferies WR So. Carolina
67 Stephon Gilmore CB So. Carolina (the other service had him ranked #22)
100 LaDarius Green TE La.-Lafayette
118 Terence Ganaway RB Baylor
139 Jeff Allen OG/OT Illinois
160 Darius Fleming LB Notre Dame
204 Ryan Steele CB Furman
205 Kellen Moore QB Boise St.
211 Jacquies Smith DE Missouri
245 James Hanna TE Oklahoma
247 Janzen Jackson FS McNeese St.
So-so.
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With all those picks, I'm all for spending 4th & 5th round picks on WR Ryan Broyles & LB Vontaze Burfict if available. Injury & a huge question mark, but worth the risk now, IMHO.
Mike
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
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Alshon, Burfict and Broyles would be great late round additions. High athletic upside but either out of shape or questionable characters.
If they don't work out, it's not like we wasted anything
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The same people who say to pass on Richardson would probably say to pass on Brady because he's not a sure thing...ya know, 'cause he lost 2 whole superbowls...
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It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
Yes, an Antonio Gates....who, I believe, actually went undrafted.
You know....I don't think either Usain Bolt or LeBron James have been drafted, maybe we can pick them...though I suspect they would prefer actual football players like the guys on the couple of lists I posted. I kinda like the idea of Austin Davis as a QB. You know H&H are going to take one, no doubt. They have declared it. Davis might be a decent choice to be that 1 out of 10 that go in the 199-250 range to make it.
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
Actually they ran a pro style (remember Hoke was there a few seasons ago) and fed him the ball 23-30 times a game. They actually didn't get him out on the perimeter enough in the games I watched- but he's not a bad in between the tackle runner. He's not a great WR- and SDSU really didn't try that hard to get him the ball in that position, which is too bad considering we like to use RBs as pass catchers. If he's available with one of those 4th round picks I take him regardless of who we've added.
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It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
Yea low risk, semi high reward with players like that.
Realistically I would expect 1-2 of those 4 to still be with the team in 2 years.. But we may find a lineman that can contribute or a special teams player. Also it frees up our 6th and 7th rounders if we want to throw those into a trade (you are not allowed to trade comp picks). Overall Im pleased; it can only help! I guess i view drafting a QB that late as a throw away pick. Brady is almost the only great QB to be drafted that late in semi recent history. and I dont care about drafting and grooming a career backup QB. If we get to the backup we are screwed anyway, unlike other positions, I dont care at all about backup QBs esp since we probably dont even have our longterm starting QB..
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I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
Yea low risk, semi high reward with players like that.
Realistically I would expect 1-2 of those 4 to still be with the team in 2 years.. But we may find a lineman that can contribute or a special teams player. Also it frees up our 6th and 7th rounders if we want to throw those into a trade (you are not allowed to trade comp picks). Overall Im pleased; it can only help! I guess i view drafting a QB that late as a throw away pick. Brady is almost the only great QB to be drafted that late in semi recent history. and I dont care about drafting and grooming a career backup QB. If we get to the backup we are screwed anyway, unlike other positions, I dont care at all about backup QBs esp since we probably dont even have our longterm starting QB..
Yea low risk, semi high reward with players like that.
Realistically I would expect 1-2 of those 4 to still be with the team in 2 years.. But we may find a lineman that can contribute or a special teams player. Also it frees up our 6th and 7th rounders if we want to throw those into a trade (you are not allowed to trade comp picks). Overall Im pleased; it can only help! I guess i view drafting a QB that late as a throw away pick. Brady is almost the only great QB to be drafted that late in semi recent history. and I dont care about drafting and grooming a career backup QB. If we get to the backup we are screwed anyway, unlike other positions, I dont care at all about backup QBs esp since we probably dont even have our longterm starting QB..
Well, it may not be as bad as you think in terms of drafting decent QBs that late. Just since 1970 the following QBs have been taken with the 150th pick or lower (number on the left is their draft selection position:
275 Steve DeBerg 34,000 career yards, 196 career TDs
333 Bill Kenney 17,000 yards, 105 TDs
214 David Woodley only 8500 yards, but did start a Super Bowl
210 Wade Wilson 17,000 yards, 99 TDs
285 Doug Flutie 14,700 yds, 86 TDs. Not counting Canada. Was discriminated against because of height or would have had much better numbers
255 Don Majkowski, 12,700 yds, 66 TDs
159 Stan Humphries 17,000 yds, 89 TDs and a Super Bowl appearanc
227 Brad Johnson 29,000 yards, 166 TDs, and a Super Bowl win
166 Jeff Blake, 21,700 yds, 134 TDs
222 Trent Green 28,500 yds, 134 TDs
219 Elvis Grbac 16,775 yds, 99 TDs
197 Gus Frerotte 21,300 yds, 114 TDs
187 Matt Hasselback 33,150 yds, 194 TDs and a Super Bowl appearance
199 Tom Brady 40,000 yard, 300 TDs, 3 SBs wins and 2 losses, obvious HOFer
168 Marc Bulger 22,800 yds, 122 TDs
250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 11,000 yards and 68 TDs so far
230 Matt Cassel 12,000 yards and 76 TDs so far
213 Derek Anderson 10,000 yards 53 TDs
Yes, the above represent only about 6 percent of all QBs taken at 150 or lower since 1970, but, you do get the occasional diamond in the rough. Who knows.
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Yea low risk, semi high reward with players like that.
Realistically I would expect 1-2 of those 4 to still be with the team in 2 years.. But we may find a lineman that can contribute or a special teams player. Also it frees up our 6th and 7th rounders if we want to throw those into a trade (you are not allowed to trade comp picks). Overall Im pleased; it can only help! I guess i view drafting a QB that late as a throw away pick. Brady is almost the only great QB to be drafted that late in semi recent history. and I dont care about drafting and grooming a career backup QB. If we get to the backup we are screwed anyway, unlike other positions, I dont care at all about backup QBs esp since we probably dont even have our longterm starting QB..
Well, it may not be as bad as you think in terms of drafting decent QBs that late. Just since 1970 the following QBs have been taken with the 150th pick or lower (number on the left is their draft selection position:
275 Steve DeBerg 34,000 career yards, 196 career TDs
333 Bill Kenney 17,000 yards, 105 TDs
214 David Woodley only 8500 yards, but did start a Super Bowl
210 Wade Wilson 17,000 yards, 99 TDs
285 Doug Flutie 14,700 yds, 86 TDs. Not counting Canada. Was discriminated against because of height or would have had much better numbers
255 Don Majkowski, 12,700 yds, 66 TDs
159 Stan Humphries 17,000 yds, 89 TDs and a Super Bowl appearanc
227 Brad Johnson 29,000 yards, 166 TDs, and a Super Bowl win
166 Jeff Blake, 21,700 yds, 134 TDs
222 Trent Green 28,500 yds, 134 TDs
219 Elvis Grbac 16,775 yds, 99 TDs
197 Gus Frerotte 21,300 yds, 114 TDs
187 Matt Hasselback 33,150 yds, 194 TDs and a Super Bowl appearance
199 Tom Brady 40,000 yard, 300 TDs, 3 SBs wins and 2 losses, obvious HOFer
168 Marc Bulger 22,800 yds, 122 TDs
250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 11,000 yards and 68 TDs so far
230 Matt Cassel 12,000 yards and 76 TDs so far
213 Derek Anderson 10,000 yards 53 TDs
Yes, the above represent only about 6 percent of all QBs taken at 150 or lower since 1970, but, you do get the occasional diamond in the rough. Who knows.
Well, it may not be as bad as you think in terms of drafting decent QBs that late. Just since 1970 the following QBs have been taken with the 150th pick or lower (number on the left is their draft selection position:
275 Steve DeBerg 34,000 career yards, 196 career TDs
333 Bill Kenney 17,000 yards, 105 TDs
214 David Woodley only 8500 yards, but did start a Super Bowl
210 Wade Wilson 17,000 yards, 99 TDs
285 Doug Flutie 14,700 yds, 86 TDs. Not counting Canada. Was discriminated against because of height or would have had much better numbers
255 Don Majkowski, 12,700 yds, 66 TDs
159 Stan Humphries 17,000 yds, 89 TDs and a Super Bowl appearanc
227 Brad Johnson 29,000 yards, 166 TDs, and a Super Bowl win
166 Jeff Blake, 21,700 yds, 134 TDs
222 Trent Green 28,500 yds, 134 TDs
219 Elvis Grbac 16,775 yds, 99 TDs
197 Gus Frerotte 21,300 yds, 114 TDs
187 Matt Hasselback 33,150 yds, 194 TDs and a Super Bowl appearance
199 Tom Brady 40,000 yard, 300 TDs, 3 SBs wins and 2 losses, obvious HOFer
168 Marc Bulger 22,800 yds, 122 TDs
250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 11,000 yards and 68 TDs so far
230 Matt Cassel 12,000 yards and 76 TDs so far
213 Derek Anderson 10,000 yards 53 TDs
Yes, the above represent only about 6 percent of all QBs taken at 150 or lower since 1970, but, you do get the occasional diamond in the rough. Who knows.
Wow. thanks for doing some research. I guess no harm in taking a flier on a QB you like, I just feel that the percentage of finding an above average QB that late is so low that we might as well not take one because I dont care about QB depth, so its kind of all or nothing. But interesting stats!
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Well, it may not be as bad as you think in terms of drafting decent QBs that late. Just since 1970 the following QBs have been taken with the 150th pick or lower (number on the left is their draft selection position:
275 Steve DeBerg 34,000 career yards, 196 career TDs
333 Bill Kenney 17,000 yards, 105 TDs
214 David Woodley only 8500 yards, but did start a Super Bowl
210 Wade Wilson 17,000 yards, 99 TDs
285 Doug Flutie 14,700 yds, 86 TDs. Not counting Canada. Was discriminated against because of height or would have had much better numbers
255 Don Majkowski, 12,700 yds, 66 TDs
159 Stan Humphries 17,000 yds, 89 TDs and a Super Bowl appearanc
227 Brad Johnson 29,000 yards, 166 TDs, and a Super Bowl win
166 Jeff Blake, 21,700 yds, 134 TDs
222 Trent Green 28,500 yds, 134 TDs
219 Elvis Grbac 16,775 yds, 99 TDs
197 Gus Frerotte 21,300 yds, 114 TDs
187 Matt Hasselback 33,150 yds, 194 TDs and a Super Bowl appearance
199 Tom Brady 40,000 yard, 300 TDs, 3 SBs wins and 2 losses, obvious HOFer
168 Marc Bulger 22,800 yds, 122 TDs
250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 11,000 yards and 68 TDs so far
230 Matt Cassel 12,000 yards and 76 TDs so far
213 Derek Anderson 10,000 yards 53 TDs
Yes, the above represent only about 6 percent of all QBs taken at 150 or lower since 1970, but, you do get the occasional diamond in the rough. Who knows.
Wow. thanks for doing some research. I guess no harm in taking a flier on a QB you like, I just feel that the percentage of finding an above average QB that late is so low that we might as well not take one because I dont care about QB depth, so its kind of all or nothing. But interesting stats!
Wow. thanks for doing some research. I guess no harm in taking a flier on a QB you like, I just feel that the percentage of finding an above average QB that late is so low that we might as well not take one because I dont care about QB depth, so its kind of all or nothing. But interesting stats!
And you very well may be right. Here are the QBs the Browns have drafted since 1970 at the 150 or below slot:
183 Spergon Wynn
316 Keithen McCant
296 Clemente Gordon
328 Steve Slayden
174 Mike Norseth
158 Terry Nugent
282 Steve Michuta
261 Craig Nagel
330 Brian Sipe
151 Mike Cilek
About a 1 out of 10 ratio for QBs taken that low. Perhaps the Browns should draft a QB as low as they go considering that Brian Sipe at slot #330 is THE lowest they have ever taken a QB in the draft....and of course he also happens to be the Browns career leader in attempts/completions/yards and TDs.
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AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)
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Love the new development regarding comp draft picks.....
I'm gonna put a positive spin on this while giving the H&H wrecking crew the benefit of the doubt that they really do know what they are doing
as they lead the mighty Browns back to the promised land as top dog in the manly AFC north....
as someone most astutely expressed on this board,, I too don't have a clue how to put a winning team on the field.
I be leaving it to H&H to rebuild through the draft. they have successfully converted me.
may Jesus and Mother Mary bless all their endeavors.
May we Browns fans leave behind the seasons of despair and regain our dignity as we resolutely believe that yes......this year things are gonna be fuckin' different...
Go Browns!!!!!!!!!
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Homotron said:
Steelers got 3 or 4 7th round picks.
Must be 3, we got the most comp picks this year.
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