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>>Does that mean whites were racist and didn't want to vote for a black candidate>>
In some cases, the answer is yes. Also McCain just wasn't somebody to jump out of your easy chair and endure the inconvenience of the voting location.
>>Here you go: "In 2004, according to the census, barely 60 percent of eligible blacks voted. In 2008, nearly 65 percent did.">>
I'm surprised the percentage of eligible Black voters is so high. Probably higher than for Whites (?).
I've always been bothered by the indifference many Americans take regarding their voting rights.
I voted for neither Obama nor McCain but I still voted - and voted for President too.
I'm not quite sure if this is what you mean, but this isn't a measure of the number of eligible black voters vs. the overall black population, or eligible white voters.
But in 2008, the percentage of eligible black voters that voted was basically the same as the percentage of white voters that did. In past elections, it's been slightly less.
I'm not quite sure if this is what you mean, but this isn't a measure of the number of eligible black voters vs. the overall black population, or eligible white voters.
But in 2008, the percentage of eligible black voters that voted was basically the same as the percentage of white voters that did. In past elections, it's been slightly less.
At the risk of beating this horse to death, Heck, do 60% of eligible voters - regardless of any demographic, except being human - vote(d) in Presidental races?
I thought, in general, the percentage was much lower. Maybe Presidential races drive turnout that much
Thanks for the insights.
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It's good to see someone else knows how to look at/interpret data.
Do you know either Jack Shultz or Jenna Kudla in the Engineering Program?
Jack, I know, happens to be #1 on the Golf Team.
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Do you know either Jack Shultz or Jenna Kudla in the Engineering Program?
Jack, I know, happens to be #1 on the Golf Team.
Do you know either Jack Shultz or Jenna Kudla in the Engineering Program?
Jack, I know, happens to be #1 on the Golf Team.
Not that I can think of. I have a professor who's last name is Schultz
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To be fair woody: nearly every black person that voted DID vote for Obama, ONLY because hes black. I'm not being sarcastic, I really believe that is the truth.
You can believe it all you like, but that's not what the evidence suggests. The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals. But had Obama been white, you're probably still looking at 90% of the black vote. Clearly, his party affiliation has more to do with how they vote. And if you don't think so, I can go find out how blacks have voted for black Republican candidates. I'm sure those will show that their race helped them with the black vote, but not all that much.
Of course, the sample is small, since there really aren't many black Republicans. There are only two in Congress, and before 2010 there were zero.
You can believe it all you like, but that's not what the evidence suggests. The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals. But had Obama been white, you're probably still looking at 90% of the black vote. Clearly, his party affiliation has more to do with how they vote. And if you don't think so, I can go find out how blacks have voted for black Republican candidates. I'm sure those will show that their race helped them with the black vote, but not all that much.
Of course, the sample is small, since there really aren't many black Republicans. There are only two in Congress, and before 2010 there were zero.
If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
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You can believe it all you like, but that's not what the evidence suggests. The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals. But had Obama been white, you're probably still looking at 90% of the black vote. Clearly, his party affiliation has more to do with how they vote. And if you don't think so, I can go find out how blacks have voted for black Republican candidates. I'm sure those will show that their race helped them with the black vote, but not all that much.
Of course, the sample is small, since there really aren't many black Republicans. There are only two in Congress, and before 2010 there were zero.
If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
A lot of people don't vote for congressmen or senators because they a: don't care. And B: don't know about the candidates.
Presidential election gets all the attention. If Herman Cain somehow got nominated and he was up against a white male democrat you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be a huge increase in black republicans. Like all of them.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
A lot of people don't vote for congressmen or senators because they a: don't care. And B: don't know about the candidates.
Presidential election gets all the attention. If Herman Cain somehow got nominated and he was up against a white male democrat you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be a huge increase in black republicans. Like all of them.
A lot of people don't vote for congressmen or senators because they a: don't care. And B: don't know about the candidates.
Presidential election gets all the attention. If Herman Cain somehow got nominated and he was up against a white male democrat you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be a huge increase in black republicans. Like all of them.
And you know this because of your extensive contact with the black community, correct?
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You can believe it all you like, but that's not what the evidence suggests. The evidence shows that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and that Obama's race helped add to those totals. But had Obama been white, you're probably still looking at 90% of the black vote. Clearly, his party affiliation has more to do with how they vote. And if you don't think so, I can go find out how blacks have voted for black Republican candidates. I'm sure those will show that their race helped them with the black vote, but not all that much.
Of course, the sample is small, since there really aren't many black Republicans. There are only two in Congress, and before 2010 there were zero.
If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
No, I don't. If Allen West ran against Hillary Clinton, blacks would overwhelmingly vote for Hillary Clinton. Absolutely.
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If Obama were a republican you don't think they would have voted for him? Horseshit.
A lot of people don't vote for congressmen or senators because they a: don't care. And B: don't know about the candidates.
Presidential election gets all the attention. If Herman Cain somehow got nominated and he was up against a white male democrat you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be a huge increase in black republicans. Like all of them.
A lot of people don't vote for congressmen or senators because they a: don't care. And B: don't know about the candidates.
Presidential election gets all the attention. If Herman Cain somehow got nominated and he was up against a white male democrat you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be a huge increase in black republicans. Like all of them.
This is really nonsense. It really is. You can believe it, and apparently you do, but it's based on the assumption that all black voters care about is the color of one's skin. Based on some of the stuff you've contributed before, this seems to be beneath you, especially since you're singling out blacks for voting for people of their own race when this is hardly something that is specific to blacks. Hispanics vote for other Hispanics in increased numbers. Jews vote for other Jews in increased numbers. And, of course, whites vote for other whites in increased numbers.
But hey, prove me wrong. Go find me all the blacks that voted for Tim Scott and Allen West.
Again, you're going to have a tough time supporting your thesis since there are almost no black Republicans.
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Do you even know any black people? As you drive around east Cleveland Barack Obama is diefied. There's murals of him on the sides of gas stations, there's pictures of him everywhere. In black peoples homes when I'm putting their alarms in, there's commemerative plates with him on them. You think its because he's a democrat? I think that's unlikely. There's no statues of Kennedy, lbj, carter or Clinton up on the east side, believe that.
Here's a question: fantasy primary- Clinton vs Obama who wins the black vote?
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A lot of people don't vote for congressmen or senators because they a: don't care. And B: don't know about the candidates.
Presidential election gets all the attention. If Herman Cain somehow got nominated and he was up against a white male democrat you can bet your bottom dollar there'd be a huge increase in black republicans. Like all of them.
This is really nonsense. It really is. You can believe it, and apparently you do, but it's based on the assumption that all black voters care about is the color of one's skin. Based on some of the stuff you've contributed before, this seems to be beneath you, especially since you're singling out blacks for voting for people of their own race when this is hardly something that is specific to blacks. Hispanics vote for other Hispanics in increased numbers. Jews vote for other Jews in increased numbers. And, of course, whites vote for other whites in increased numbers.
But hey, prove me wrong. Go find me all the blacks that voted for Tim Scott and Allen West.
Again, you're going to have a tough time supporting your thesis since there are almost no black Republicans.
This is really nonsense. It really is. You can believe it, and apparently you do, but it's based on the assumption that all black voters care about is the color of one's skin. Based on some of the stuff you've contributed before, this seems to be beneath you, especially since you're singling out blacks for voting for people of their own race when this is hardly something that is specific to blacks. Hispanics vote for other Hispanics in increased numbers. Jews vote for other Jews in increased numbers. And, of course, whites vote for other whites in increased numbers.
But hey, prove me wrong. Go find me all the blacks that voted for Tim Scott and Allen West.
Again, you're going to have a tough time supporting your thesis since there are almost no black Republicans.
Who the fuck are Tim Scott and Allen west? If I don't know your average inner-city black voter doesn't. Everybody knows who Barack Obama is. BTW I didn't touch the thought that other races do it. Of course they do, but if you're asserting that the majority of black voters would choose a white male democrat over a black male republican, I disagree whole-heartedly. Well never know until that situation presents itself.
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Except that there is zero evidence to support your notion, and lots of evidence that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, even when the candidate is white. There's also loads and loads of evidence that blacks are extremely hostile to Republican candidates and Republican positions and the Republican Party in general.
Even the point you raised makes my point and not yours. Yes, Obama won the black vote in the primary over Clinton. But he also won the white vote. He won the national vote.
But in the primary, Hillary had an early lead over Obama in the black vote. Then they were evenly split. And then she lost them. She also lost the primary.
If your point is that the black community is proud that there's a black president, I yield to your stunning insight. Next we can go to South Boston and look at all the Kennedy deification, and you can tell me how it's any different. But your point that blacks would vote for a Republican if they were black and not for the Democrat if they were white hasn't a shred of evidence to support it.
Think about it: Condi Rice vs. Hillary. Wouldn't even be close. Of course Rice's race would attract more black votes than in a normal year, but I'd wager blacks would go for Hillary by at least 70-30, and probably more like 80-20.
Allen West vs. Hillary: I'd think West would get even less than Condi.
Colin Powell is the only black Republican I could see considerable crossover votes for, and I'm not sure he considers himself a Republican so much anymore.
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Except that there is zero evidence to support your notion, and lots of evidence that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, even when the candidate is white. There's also loads and loads of evidence that blacks are extremely hostile to Republican candidates and Republican positions and the Republican Party in general.
Even the point you raised makes my point and not yours. Yes, Obama won the black vote in the primary over Clinton. But he also won the white vote. He won the national vote.
But in the primary, Hillary had an early lead over Obama in the black vote. Then they were evenly split. And then she lost them. She also lost the primary.
If your point is that the black community is proud that there's a black president, I yield to your stunning insight. Next we can go to South Boston and look at all the Kennedy deification, and you can tell me how it's any different. But your point that blacks would vote for a Republican if they were black and not for the Democrat if they were white hasn't a shred of evidence to support it.
Think about it: Condi Rice vs. Hillary. Wouldn't even be close. Of course Rice's race would attract more black votes than in a normal year, but I'd wager blacks would go for Hillary by at least 70-30, and probably more like 80-20.
Allen West vs. Hillary: I'd think West would get even less than Condi.
Colin Powell is the only black Republican I could see considerable crossover votes for, and I'm not sure he considers himself a Republican so much anymore.
Except that there is zero evidence to support your notion, and lots of evidence that blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic, even when the candidate is white. There's also loads and loads of evidence that blacks are extremely hostile to Republican candidates and Republican positions and the Republican Party in general.
Even the point you raised makes my point and not yours. Yes, Obama won the black vote in the primary over Clinton. But he also won the white vote. He won the national vote.
But in the primary, Hillary had an early lead over Obama in the black vote. Then they were evenly split. And then she lost them. She also lost the primary.
If your point is that the black community is proud that there's a black president, I yield to your stunning insight. Next we can go to South Boston and look at all the Kennedy deification, and you can tell me how it's any different. But your point that blacks would vote for a Republican if they were black and not for the Democrat if they were white hasn't a shred of evidence to support it.
Think about it: Condi Rice vs. Hillary. Wouldn't even be close. Of course Rice's race would attract more black votes than in a normal year, but I'd wager blacks would go for Hillary by at least 70-30, and probably more like 80-20.
Allen West vs. Hillary: I'd think West would get even less than Condi.
Colin Powell is the only black Republican I could see considerable crossover votes for, and I'm not sure he considers himself a Republican so much anymore.
I meant bill Clinton. The "good" Clinton.
You only have data that says black voters vote democrat over republican in smaller elections where they possibly don't know thing one about who they're voting for except party affiliations. When they put a photo of the candidate next to the name i suspect your statistical numbers will begin to change. Plus in only one election were they able to choose a highly visable black leader over a white one and they did. Your statistics mean nothing if there was only one election where that choice was totally obvious.
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You have data...
BUT I HAVE SPECULATION!
I win
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Cysko, I don't want to want to separate you from your opinion that blacks don't have a political thought in their heads beyond "black candidate good", so really, you can keep it. I'm just pointing out that there's no evidence to support your point, and lots of evidence to support mine.
I can't imagine any serious political observer would share your view that a black Republican would instantly and automatically win most of the black votes over a white Democrat.
Or you can ask yourself this: why are there so few black Republicans? In Congress there are only two. Before 2010, there were zero. You'd have to go back to JC Watts, who retired in 2003. And when he was in Congress, he was the only one. Also, the two that are in Congress now were voted in overwhelmingly by white Republicans, not blacks.
You might want to consider the idea that the black community by and large doesn't like the Republican Party, or vote for it. If you need any clues as to why, just read the Republicans in here.
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Cysko, I don't want to want to separate you from your opinion that blacks don't have a political thought in their heads beyond "black candidate good", so really, you can keep it. I'm just pointing out that there's no evidence to support your point, and lots of evidence to support mine.
I can't imagine any serious political observer would share your view that a black Republican would instantly and automatically win most of the black votes over a white Democrat.
Or you can ask yourself this: why are there so few black Republicans? In Congress there are only two. Before 2010, there were zero. You'd have to go back to JC Watts, who retired in 2003. And when he was in Congress, he was the only one. Also, the two that are in Congress now were voted in overwhelmingly by white Republicans, not blacks.
You might want to consider the idea that the black community by and large doesn't like the Republican Party, or vote for it. If you need any clues as to why, just read the Republicans in here.
Cysko, I don't want to want to separate you from your opinion that blacks don't have a political thought in their heads beyond "black candidate good", so really, you can keep it. I'm just pointing out that there's no evidence to support your point, and lots of evidence to support mine.
I can't imagine any serious political observer would share your view that a black Republican would instantly and automatically win most of the black votes over a white Democrat.
Or you can ask yourself this: why are there so few black Republicans? In Congress there are only two. Before 2010, there were zero. You'd have to go back to JC Watts, who retired in 2003. And when he was in Congress, he was the only one. Also, the two that are in Congress now were voted in overwhelmingly by white Republicans, not blacks.
You might want to consider the idea that the black community by and large doesn't like the Republican Party, or vote for it. If you need any clues as to why, just read the Republicans in here.
And I answered you because no one knows or cares. President is visable, congress is not. You are giving me old data of who black people voted for in the past and trying to tell me its relevant. You don't know WHY blacks voted for Obama. I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation. What's the difference? They both assume black voters vote blindly.
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Creationism: "Its my theory! I have no real proof... but I believe it!"
Evolution: "My theory. I have a shit load of evidence"
Apparently we can't pick one... bummer...
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Cysko, I don't want to want to separate you from your opinion that blacks don't have a political thought in their heads beyond "black candidate good", so really, you can keep it. I'm just pointing out that there's no evidence to support your point, and lots of evidence to support mine.
I can't imagine any serious political observer would share your view that a black Republican would instantly and automatically win most of the black votes over a white Democrat.
Or you can ask yourself this: why are there so few black Republicans? In Congress there are only two. Before 2010, there were zero. You'd have to go back to JC Watts, who retired in 2003. And when he was in Congress, he was the only one. Also, the two that are in Congress now were voted in overwhelmingly by white Republicans, not blacks.
You might want to consider the idea that the black community by and large doesn't like the Republican Party, or vote for it. If you need any clues as to why, just read the Republicans in here.
And I answered you because no one knows or cares. President is visable, congress is not. You are giving me old data of who black people voted for in the past and trying to tell me its relevant. You don't know WHY blacks voted for Obama. I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation. What's the difference? They both assume black voters vote blindly.
And I answered you because no one knows or cares. President is visable, congress is not. You are giving me old data of who black people voted for in the past and trying to tell me its relevant. You don't know WHY blacks voted for Obama. I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation. What's the difference? They both assume black voters vote blindly.
Um, no. My stance is not that blacks vote solely on the basis of party affiliation, but that they're extremely loyal to the Democratic Party and hostile to the Republican Party. Like any other voting bloc, they have a myriad of issues that they consider.
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And I answered you because no one knows or cares. President is visable, congress is not. You are giving me old data of who black people voted for in the past and trying to tell me its relevant. You don't know WHY blacks voted for Obama. I have my theory and you have yours. If mine assumes every black votes solely on the basis if race. Yours assumes they only vote solely on loyalty to a single party affiliation. What's the difference? They both assume black voters vote blindly.
Um, no. My stance is not that blacks vote solely on the basis of party affiliation, but that they're extremely loyal to the Democratic Party and hostile to the Republican Party. Like any other voting bloc, they have a myriad of issues that they consider.
Um, no. My stance is not that blacks vote solely on the basis of party affiliation, but that they're extremely loyal to the Democratic Party and hostile to the Republican Party. Like any other voting bloc, they have a myriad of issues that they consider.
How you can sit there and blast derbyshire's statistics but glorify your own is hypocritical. Either statistics tell the whole story and derbyshire is right, or they don't and yours mean nothing.
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Now you're really reaching.
My problem with Derbyshire isn't that he posts IQ statistics. Those disparities have been researched, published, and debated for years. Hell, we were talking about The Bell Curve when I was in college. Maybe those numbers were new for some people in here, but they're not for others.
The problem with Derbyshire is that he makes leaps from those studies/statistics that aren't borne out by the studies/statistics themselves, but rest on his personal prejudices. Also that a few of his links don't represent statistical evidence at all, but anecdotal evidence that proves nothing, except that he doesn't like black people much. This is why he's being pilloried by just about everyone on the staff of the magazine he worked for - he's not arguing very well, and using those poor arguments to come to some pretty revolting conclusions.
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Now you're really reaching.
My problem with Derbyshire isn't that he posts IQ statistics. Those disparities have been researched, published, and debated for years. Hell, we were talking about The Bell Curve when I was in college. Maybe those numbers were new for some people in here, but they're not for others.
The problem with Derbyshire is that he makes leaps from those studies/statistics that aren't borne out by the studies/statistics themselves, but rest on his personal prejudices. Also that a few of his links don't represent statistical evidence at all, but anecdotal evidence that proves nothing, except that he doesn't like black people much. This is why he's being pilloried by just about everyone on the staff of the magazine he worked for - he's not arguing very well, and using those poor arguments to come to some pretty revolting conclusions.
Now you're really reaching.
My problem with Derbyshire isn't that he posts IQ statistics. Those disparities have been researched, published, and debated for years. Hell, we were talking about The Bell Curve when I was in college. Maybe those numbers were new for some people in here, but they're not for others.
The problem with Derbyshire is that he makes leaps from those studies/statistics that aren't borne out by the studies/statistics themselves, but rest on his personal prejudices. Also that a few of his links don't represent statistical evidence at all, but anecdotal evidence that proves nothing, except that he doesn't like black people much. This is why he's being pilloried by just about everyone on the staff of the magazine he worked for - he's not arguing very well, and using those poor arguments to come to some pretty revolting conclusions.
All of a sudden his iq data is relevant, eh? All I'm saying is your statistics include elections that get little attention. For instance, I only voted for congress on the base of party affiliation. The black voters that bother to show up may do that as well. There's never been an election where black people had the option to vote for a realistic black president. Ever. To deny that they voted for someone they view as like and for them is ridiculous. Laughable. Put yourself in their shoes. Of course they did. Of course.
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