Broncos Trade To 4?
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I'll only look at what Heckert has done and ignore the awful talent evaluator that was Mangini,
ok i have agreed with u until this statement. mangini a terrible talent evaluator? GTFO. he set up the jets for years to come learning from belibitch to build from the middle out. mangold a bad pick? how about revis? 2 guys that are def HOFs right now.
what/who did he pick while he was with cleveland? yeah, go back and check. you are wrong on this one cribbs.
BTW. can't we draft claiborn #4 to have him knock WRs and blitz the QB while he also returns Ps and KOs? meanwhile retiring cribbs to the bench where he belongs......unless he starts at QB where he should have been all along?
ok i have agreed with u until this statement. mangini a terrible talent evaluator? GTFO. he set up the jets for years to come learning from belibitch to build from the middle out. mangold a bad pick? how about revis? 2 guys that are def HOFs right now.
what/who did he pick while he was with cleveland? yeah, go back and check. you are wrong on this one cribbs.
BTW. can't we draft claiborn #4 to have him knock WRs and blitz the QB while he also returns Ps and KOs? meanwhile retiring cribbs to the bench where he belongs......unless he starts at QB where he should have been all along?
Ok I have done the research. We had the #5 pick in the 2009 NFL Draft traded that to the Jets (Sanchez) for their 17th and 52th pick (David Veikune no longer in the league) and Abe Elam, Kenyon Coleman and Brett Ratliff (none of those 3 are still with the team 3 years later).
THEN with the #17 pick, we traded that to Tampa (picked Freeman) for the #19 and a sixth rounder (Coye Francies).
THEN with the #19 pick, we traded that to Philly (picked Jeremy Maclin) for the #21 (Alex Mack) and another 6th rounder (James Davis).
And then he selects Robiskie and Massaquoi in the second round.
If that doesnt make you wanna puke, idk what will. Either Mangini is terrible at trading or is a terrible talent evaluator. Probably both IMO.
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I think we just let H & H do what they do and if u dont like go root for another team. I will be happy with what ever they do. Even if its not what I woulda done. Nothin is as bad as watching mangina on draft day.....tnat zhit was a phucking joke
So sitting idly by and accepting whatever this regime does, good move or bad, is fine with you because you like these guys.
But whatever Mangini or (insert name here) did isn't acceptable, because you didn't want us to hire them in the first place.
Got it.
So sitting idly by and accepting whatever this regime does, good move or bad, is fine with you because you like these guys.
Unless your name is Randy Lerner, the answer is: Yes, you just have to sit idly by and accept whatever this regime does. Oh, you can be a dog howling at the moon. You have about as much chance getting the Browns to move with your howling as the dog has of getting the moon to move.
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ok i have agreed with u until this statement. mangini a terrible talent evaluator? GTFO. he set up the jets for years to come learning from belibitch to build from the middle out. mangold a bad pick? how about revis? 2 guys that are def HOFs right now.
what/who did he pick while he was with cleveland? yeah, go back and check. you are wrong on this one cribbs.
BTW. can't we draft claiborn #4 to have him knock WRs and blitz the QB while he also returns Ps and KOs? meanwhile retiring cribbs to the bench where he belongs......unless he starts at QB where he should have been all along?
Ok I have done the research. We had the #5 pick in the 2009 NFL Draft traded that to the Jets (Sanchez) for their 17th and 52th pick (David Veikune no longer in the league) and Abe Elam, Kenyon Coleman and Brett Ratliff (none of those 3 are still with the team 3 years later).
THEN with the #17 pick, we traded that to Tampa (picked Freeman) for the #19 and a sixth rounder (Coye Francies).
THEN with the #19 pick, we traded that to Philly (picked Jeremy Maclin) for the #21 (Alex Mack) and another 6th rounder (James Davis).
And then he selects Robiskie and Massaquoi in the second round.
If that doesnt make you wanna puke, idk what will. Either Mangini is terrible at trading or is a terrible talent evaluator. Probably both IMO.
Ok I have done the research. We had the #5 pick in the 2009 NFL Draft traded that to the Jets (Sanchez) for their 17th and 52th pick (David Veikune no longer in the league) and Abe Elam, Kenyon Coleman and Brett Ratliff (none of those 3 are still with the team 3 years later).
THEN with the #17 pick, we traded that to Tampa (picked Freeman) for the #19 and a sixth rounder (Coye Francies).
THEN with the #19 pick, we traded that to Philly (picked Jeremy Maclin) for the #21 (Alex Mack) and another 6th rounder (James Davis).
And then he selects Robiskie and Massaquoi in the second round.
If that doesnt make you wanna puke, idk what will. Either Mangini is terrible at trading or is a terrible talent evaluator. Probably both IMO.
Again, I believe that you can't blame Mangini completely for that because the Browns had no GM in place that was supposed to be doing that job. Mangini's job was to coach, not evaluate talent. Wasn't Kokinis supposed to be doing that?
With Kokins gone who was the GM? or the Director of Player Personnell? Who were the talent scouts? Garbage in, garbage out. What kind of garbage was Mangini being fed?
Yes, blame Mangini for eating the garbage....but who was setting the plate?
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Ok I have done the research. We had the #5 pick in the 2009 NFL Draft traded that to the Jets (Sanchez) for their 17th and 52th pick (David Veikune no longer in the league) and Abe Elam, Kenyon Coleman and Brett Ratliff (none of those 3 are still with the team 3 years later).
THEN with the #17 pick, we traded that to Tampa (picked Freeman) for the #19 and a sixth rounder (Coye Francies).
THEN with the #19 pick, we traded that to Philly (picked Jeremy Maclin) for the #21 (Alex Mack) and another 6th rounder (James Davis).
And then he selects Robiskie and Massaquoi in the second round.
If that doesnt make you wanna puke, idk what will. Either Mangini is terrible at trading or is a terrible talent evaluator. Probably both IMO.
Again, I believe that you can't blame Mangini completely for that because the Browns had no GM in place that was supposed to be doing that job. Mangini's job was to coach, not evaluate talent. Wasn't Kokinis supposed to be doing that?
With Kokins gone who was the GM? or the Director of Player Personnell? Who were the talent scouts? Garbage in, garbage out. What kind of garbage was Mangini being fed?
Yes, blame Mangini for eating the garbage....but who was setting the plate?
Again, I believe that you can't blame Mangini completely for that because the Browns had no GM in place that was supposed to be doing that job. Mangini's job was to coach, not evaluate talent. Wasn't Kokinis supposed to be doing that?
With Kokins gone who was the GM? or the Director of Player Personnell? Who were the talent scouts? Garbage in, garbage out. What kind of garbage was Mangini being fed?
Yes, blame Mangini for eating the garbage....but who was setting the plate?
Either way, Mangini was an awful talent evaluator. It may have been a bad situation but he still made the wrong picks. And didnt he push for the signing of Kokinis? Idk what went on behind those closed doors but the sense that I got was that Mangini was power hungry and a control freak and made some very bad decisions against others advice, but that was just the impression I got, could be wrong. Irregardless, Heckert did not make those picks so I wont hold those choices against his track record obviously.
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Again, I believe that you can't blame Mangini completely for that because the Browns had no GM in place that was supposed to be doing that job. Mangini's job was to coach, not evaluate talent. Wasn't Kokinis supposed to be doing that?
With Kokins gone who was the GM? or the Director of Player Personnell? Who were the talent scouts? Garbage in, garbage out. What kind of garbage was Mangini being fed?
Yes, blame Mangini for eating the garbage....but who was setting the plate?
Either way, Mangini was an awful talent evaluator. It may have been a bad situation but he still made the wrong picks. And didnt he push for the signing of Kokinis? Idk what went on behind those closed doors but the sense that I got was that Mangini was power hungry and a control freak and made some very bad decisions against others advice, but that was just the impression I got, could be wrong. Irregardless, Heckert did not make those picks so I wont hold those choices against his track record obviously.
Either way, Mangini was an awful talent evaluator. It may have been a bad situation but he still made the wrong picks. And didnt he push for the signing of Kokinis? Idk what went on behind those closed doors but the sense that I got was that Mangini was power hungry and a control freak and made some very bad decisions against others advice, but that was just the impression I got, could be wrong. Irregardless, Heckert did not make those picks so I wont hold those choices against his track record obviously.
I think you are confusing Mangini with Butch Davis.
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I think we just let H & H do what they do and if u dont like go root for another team. I will be happy with what ever they do. Even if its not what I woulda done. Nothin is as bad as watching mangina on draft day.....tnat zhit was a phucking joke
So sitting idly by and accepting whatever this regime does, good move or bad, is fine with you because you like these guys.
But whatever Mangini or (insert name here) did isn't acceptable, because you didn't want us to hire them in the first place.
Got it.
naaa I just root for the browns...PERIOD! When mangina fell twenty plus first round spots to reach for a center I still cheered.So sitting idly by and accepting whatever this regime does, good move or bad, is fine with you because you like these guys.
But whatever Mangini or (insert name here) did isn't acceptable, because you didn't want us to hire them in the first place.
Got it.
Blackmon, richardson, weeden, or griffen for the farm. Ill root for whom ever they pick.
surprisingly u of all people troll my post. Anyone who knows football has to see this FO has done a much better job with alot more adversity.
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naaa I just root for the browns...PERIOD! When mangina fell twenty plus first round spots to reach for a center I still cheered.So sitting idly by and accepting whatever this regime does, good move or bad, is fine with you because you like these guys.
But whatever Mangini or (insert name here) did isn't acceptable, because you didn't want us to hire them in the first place.
Got it.
Blackmon, richardson, weeden, or griffen for the farm. Ill root for whom ever they pick.
surprisingly u of all people troll my post. Anyone who knows football has to see this FO has done a much better job with alot more adversity.
Anyone who knows football has to see this FO has done a much better job with alot more adversity.
what adversity? the only adversity happened when holmgren just didn't tell the truth from the start that he wanted his own buddies on the coaching staff and not firing mangini upfront instead of letting him be a lame duck coach for a year. sign of a true pussy.
only guy in that building that should garner any brown's fan respect is heckert.
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Anyone who knows football has to see this FO has done a much better job with alot more adversity.
what adversity? the only adversity happened when holmgren just didn't tell the truth from the start that he wanted his own buddies on the coaching staff and not firing mangini upfront instead of letting him be a lame duck coach for a year. sign of a true pussy.
only guy in that building that should garner any brown's fan respect is heckert.
yea cause no one woulda given a hoot about firing a coach after a four game winning streak. No coach woulda taken the position if he'd done that....again just shitty luck for holmgren.what adversity? the only adversity happened when holmgren just didn't tell the truth from the start that he wanted his own buddies on the coaching staff and not firing mangini upfront instead of letting him be a lame duck coach for a year. sign of a true pussy.
only guy in that building that should garner any brown's fan respect is heckert.
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What's Up Browns Faithful?!?!??
I am hearing that the Browns are entertaining offers for fourth overall as well.
It sounds like the Rams (who wouldn't trade us the RGIII pick due to collusion with the Redskins) and the Eagles are trying to trade up, with the target being one of the defensive tackles, either Fletcher Cox or Micahel Brockers - according to rumors being reported on Sportsmasher.
Only problem is it sounds like the Bucs will take 1) Richardson 2) Claiborne at #5 so we would miss out on these guys. We do NOT want to trade all the way back to #15 with the Eagles, unless they are throwing in next year's first rounders.
They have a whole rumors piece up, pretty interesting. Check it out!!!
LINK - Draft Rumors - Sportsmasher
GOOOOOO BROWNS!!!!!!
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What's Up Browns Faithful?!?!??
I am hearing that the Browns are entertaining offers for fourth overall as well.
It sounds like the Rams (who wouldn't trade us the RGIII pick due to collusion with the Redskins) and the Eagles are trying to trade up, with the target being one of the defensive tackles, either Fletcher Cox or Micahel Brockers - according to rumors being reported on Sportsmasher.
Only problem is it sounds like the Bucs will take 1) Richardson 2) Claiborne at #5 so we would miss out on these guys. We do NOT want to trade all the way back to #15 with the Eagles, unless they are throwing in next year's first rounders.
They have a whole rumors piece up, pretty interesting. Check it out!!!
LINK - Draft Rumors - Sportsmasher
GOOOOOO BROWNS!!!!!!
What's Up Browns Faithful?!?!??
I am hearing that the Browns are entertaining offers for fourth overall as well.
It sounds like the Rams (who wouldn't trade us the RGIII pick due to collusion with the Redskins) and the Eagles are trying to trade up, with the target being one of the defensive tackles, either Fletcher Cox or Micahel Brockers - according to rumors being reported on Sportsmasher.
Only problem is it sounds like the Bucs will take 1) Richardson 2) Claiborne at #5 so we would miss out on these guys. We do NOT want to trade all the way back to #15 with the Eagles, unless they are throwing in next year's first rounders.
They have a whole rumors piece up, pretty interesting. Check it out!!!
LINK - Draft Rumors - Sportsmasher
GOOOOOO BROWNS!!!!!!
I hate how you pedal you bullshit site and then cut town. You site is shitty and so are you. At least the live voting Mock guys sticks around for a bit and the Czar of the Playbook actually discusses with us in his thread for a few days.
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What's Up Browns Faithful?!?!??
I am hearing that the Browns are entertaining offers for fourth overall as well.
It sounds like the Rams (who wouldn't trade us the RGIII pick due to collusion with the Redskins) and the Eagles are trying to trade up, with the target being one of the defensive tackles, either Fletcher Cox or Micahel Brockers - according to rumors being reported on Sportsmasher.
Only problem is it sounds like the Bucs will take 1) Richardson 2) Claiborne at #5 so we would miss out on these guys. We do NOT want to trade all the way back to #15 with the Eagles, unless they are throwing in next year's first rounders.
They have a whole rumors piece up, pretty interesting. Check it out!!!
LINK - Draft Rumors - Sportsmasher
GOOOOOO BROWNS!!!!!!
I hate how you pedal you bullshit site and then cut town. You site is shitty and so are you. At least the live voting Mock guys sticks around for a bit and the Czar of the Playbook actually discusses with us in his thread for a few days.
I hate how you pedal you bullshit site and the cut town. You site is shitty and so are you. At least the live voting Mock guys sticks around for a bit and the Czar of the Playbook actually discusses with us in his thread for a few days.
Nominee for zing of the week?
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I hate how you pedal you bullshit site and the cut town. You site is shitty and so are you. At least the live voting Mock guys sticks around for a bit and the Czar of the Playbook actually discusses with us in his thread for a few days.
Nominee for zing of the week?
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Everyone on the Browns save for Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Phil Taylor are from outside the first round... Is it a coincidence that those are our best players? We need more first round talen on this team to compete. The Browns have 2 picks in the first round, they should add two big first round names to the above 3.
We need more first round talen on this team to compete. The Browns have 2 picks in the first round, they should add two big first round names to the above 3.
Is also an argumant for trades down that accumulate more 1st rounders...
BTW. can't we draft claiborn #4 to have him knock WRs and blitz the QB while he also returns Ps and KOs? meanwhile retiring cribbs to the bench where he belongs......unless he starts at QB where he should have been all along?
Actually sounds pretty good put that way... though actually I still like Cribbs' size and decisiveness returning kickoffs. What about Cribbs at RB?
Nominee for zing of the week?
Seconded...
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What's Up Browns Faithful?!?!??
I am hearing that the Browns are entertaining offers for fourth overall as well.
It sounds like the Rams (who wouldn't trade us the RGIII pick due to collusion with the Redskins) and the Eagles are trying to trade up, with the target being one of the defensive tackles, either Fletcher Cox or Micahel Brockers - according to rumors being reported on Sportsmasher.
Only problem is it sounds like the Bucs will take 1) Richardson 2) Claiborne at #5 so we would miss out on these guys. We do NOT want to trade all the way back to #15 with the Eagles, unless they are throwing in next year's first rounders.
They have a whole rumors piece up, pretty interesting. Check it out!!!
LINK - Draft Rumors - Sportsmasher
GOOOOOO BROWNS!!!!!!
I hate how you pedal you bullshit site and then cut town. You site is shitty and so are you. At least the live voting Mock guys sticks around for a bit and the Czar of the Playbook actually discusses with us in his thread for a few days.
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