As Usual, No Respect
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So as usual all the talking heads are saying we have no team and Weeden will get raped by the Ravens etc. etc.
It's no secret that this franchise is a joke but why do they have to always talk garbage on Cleveland as a city?
We have more culture, hotter women, more jobs and less crime than Pittsburgh. Can they just get over themselves? All I hear are people talking about how much we, collectively, suck.
If this were the south in the 50s we'd be the oppressed black people. So sick of this crap. Up yours ESPN
So as usual all the talking heads are saying we have no team and Weeden will get raped by the Ravens etc. etc.
It's no secret that this franchise is a joke but why do they have to always talk garbage on Cleveland as a city?
We have more culture, hotter women, more jobs and less crime than Pittsburgh. Can they just get over themselves? All I hear are people talking about how much we, collectively, suck.
If this were the south in the 50s we'd be the oppressed black people. So sick of this crap. Up yours ESPN
They are talking crap about the Browns, not the city, in what you were referencing, so why are you bringing city smack into it?
Cleveland has a 10.3% unemployment rate, pittsburgh has a 7%ish. Crime rates are high in both cities, but Cleveland's is higher on every report I've read.
Neither of these facts are actually RELEVANT to Football smack that ESPN is offending you with, but you're also just flat out wrong.
I'm sick of this crap, too. I live in Pittsburgh as a Brown's fan. Wanna know how fun that is? About as fun as finding a Brown's Board and seeing this kind of nonsense all over it...
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Part of browns fans' problems when defending Cleveland is we always compare it to pittsburgh. Believe me, if the steelers stink as bad as the browns do and for as long Pittsburgh would ve getting no love either.
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We won't get any respect until we beat the shit out of these fuckers in the AFCN... It's coming though... Trent Richardson is coming... 🥷
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
We won't get any respect until we beat the shit out of these fuckers in the AFCN... It's coming though... Trent Richardson is coming... 🥷
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We won't get any respect until we beat the shit out of these fuckers in the AFCN... It's coming though... Trent Richardson is coming... 🥷
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So as usual all the talking heads are saying we have no team and Weeden will get raped by the Ravens etc. etc.
It's no secret that this franchise is a joke but why do they have to always talk garbage on Cleveland as a city?
We have more culture, hotter women, more jobs and less crime than Pittsburgh. Can they just get over themselves? All I hear are people talking about how much we, collectively, suck.
If this were the south in the 50s we'd be the oppressed black people. So sick of this crap. Up yours ESPN
They are talking crap about the Browns, not the city, in what you were referencing, so why are you bringing city smack into it?
Cleveland has a 10.3% unemployment rate, pittsburgh has a 7%ish. Crime rates are high in both cities, but Cleveland's is higher on every report I've read.
Neither of these facts are actually RELEVANT to Football smack that ESPN is offending you with, but you're also just flat out wrong.
I'm sick of this crap, too. I live in Pittsburgh as a Brown's fan. Wanna know how fun that is? About as fun as finding a Brown's Board and seeing this kind of nonsense all over it...
They are talking crap about the Browns, not the city, in what you were referencing, so why are you bringing city smack into it?
Cleveland has a 10.3% unemployment rate, pittsburgh has a 7%ish. Crime rates are high in both cities, but Cleveland's is higher on every report I've read.
Neither of these facts are actually RELEVANT to Football smack that ESPN is offending you with, but you're also just flat out wrong.
I'm sick of this crap, too. I live in Pittsburgh as a Brown's fan. Wanna know how fun that is? About as fun as finding a Brown's Board and seeing this kind of nonsense all over it...
I could NOT agree more. I'm done with the city vs city stuff. I'm as guilty as anyone contributing to the endless amount of bs but I'm only defending my city. I'm never the one bringing it up. I personally don't understand it AT ALL. It should never be about city vs city but rather Browns vs Steelers, Ravens, Bengals and the same can be said on every other respective board. I read and post on a board for each team but most of my posting happens on my primary Steelers board and here. I post more here because of all the city of Pittsburgh hate.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
When we win more than 5 games maybe we will get respect. When you lose as much as Cleveland has Nobody cares about them.
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So as usual all the talking heads are saying we have no team and Weeden will get raped by the Ravens etc. etc.
It's no secret that this franchise is a joke but why do they have to always talk garbage on Cleveland as a city?
We have more culture, hotter women, more jobs and less crime than Pittsburgh. Can they just get over themselves? All I hear are people talking about how much we, collectively, suck.
If this were the south in the 50s we'd be the oppressed black people. So sick of this crap. Up yours ESPN
So as usual all the talking heads are saying we have no team and Weeden will get raped by the Ravens etc. etc.
It's no secret that this franchise is a joke but why do they have to always talk garbage on Cleveland as a city?
We have more culture, hotter women, more jobs and less crime than Pittsburgh. Can they just get over themselves? All I hear are people talking about how much we, collectively, suck.
If this were the south in the 50s we'd be the oppressed black people. So sick of this crap. Up yours ESPN
Haven't figured it out yet? ESPN has devolved into the National Frontrunner Network. As others have said, the Browns will get some love and respect when they EARN it.
A serious argument can be made the post- '99 Browns are as bad as some of the horrendous Bengal teams of the late 80s- 90s.
Has nothing to do with the city either. The Cavaliers were getting plenty of love when you-know-who used to play for them. Now? Not so much.
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Whenever we do start winning again - that stadium is going to be electric, the fans will be rabid.. it's going to be a thing of beauty.
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The NFL showed us some love after the 07 season and gave us what? 5 primetime games? How'd that work out?
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They are talking crap about the Browns, not the city, in what you were referencing, so why are you bringing city smack into it?
Cleveland has a 10.3% unemployment rate, pittsburgh has a 7%ish. Crime rates are high in both cities, but Cleveland's is higher on every report I've read.
Neither of these facts are actually RELEVANT to Football smack that ESPN is offending you with, but you're also just flat out wrong.
I'm sick of this crap, too. I live in Pittsburgh as a Brown's fan. Wanna know how fun that is? About as fun as finding a Brown's Board and seeing this kind of nonsense all over it...
I could NOT agree more. I'm done with the city vs city stuff. I'm as guilty as anyone contributing to the endless amount of bs but I'm only defending my city. I'm never the one bringing it up. I personally don't understand it AT ALL. It should never be about city vs city but rather Browns vs Steelers, Ravens, Bengals and the same can be said on every other respective board. I read and post on a board for each team but most of my posting happens on my primary Steelers board and here. I post more here because of all the city of Pittsburgh hate.
Homotron said:
I could NOT agree more. I'm done with the city vs city stuff. I'm as guilty as anyone contributing to the endless amount of bs but I'm only defending my city. I'm never the one bringing it up. Pittsburgh hate.
when the shit comes down, are u gonna be ready?
hell i can fly a helicopter and shoot the wing off a hornet from 30 yards. how bout you?
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All announcers/anchors have their favorite teams, and contrary to the popular opinion of Browns fans 95% of the game announcers/anchors hate the Steelers. Pittsburgh had the 3rd best record in the AFC last year and all the prognosticators are predicting our emminent demise in 2012. The Bengals are the talk of our division and you'd think they were Super Bowl bound based on all the off-season love. There is also a solid core of announcers/anchors at ESPN who absolutely adore the Baltimore Ravens.
In the end it's all just talk. When the Browns start proving mettle on the field, believe me, your team will recieve alot more national love than the Steelers ever will.
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They are talking crap about the Browns, not the city, in what you were referencing, so why are you bringing city smack into it?
Cleveland has a 10.3% unemployment rate, pittsburgh has a 7%ish. Crime rates are high in both cities, but Cleveland's is higher on every report I've read.
Neither of these facts are actually RELEVANT to Football smack that ESPN is offending you with, but you're also just flat out wrong.
I'm sick of this crap, too. I live in Pittsburgh as a Brown's fan. Wanna know how fun that is? About as fun as finding a Brown's Board and seeing this kind of nonsense all over it...
I could NOT agree more. I'm done with the city vs city stuff. I'm as guilty as anyone contributing to the endless amount of bs but I'm only defending my city. I'm never the one bringing it up. I personally don't understand it AT ALL. It should never be about city vs city but rather Browns vs Steelers, Ravens, Bengals and the same can be said on every other respective board. I read and post on a board for each team but most of my posting happens on my primary Steelers board and here. I post more here because of all the city of Pittsburgh hate.
Homotron said:
I could NOT agree more. I'm done with the city vs city stuff. I'm as guilty as anyone contributing to the endless amount of bs but I'm only defending my city. I'm never the one bringing it up. I personally don't understand it AT ALL. It should never be about city vs city but rather Browns vs Steelers, Ravens, Bengals and the same can be said on every other respective board. I read and post on a board for each team but most of my posting happens on my primary Steelers board and here. I post more here because of all the city of Pittsburgh hate.
Right, there is nothing wrong with the City of Pittsburgh.
But, a lot of Steeler fans are myopic.
They have no clue how lucky they are.
The City of Pittsburgh is no different than any of the other Great Lakes area cities: Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee (exclude Chicago because of its size).
The only difference is that they have had a fairly successful football team (and hockey) where the others have not.
But most of them don't understand that. They ignore the fact that the Steelers could just as easily have had the same fate as the Pirates (save the fact that the Steelers have been well owned and managed...that is the only difference...and revenue sharing and a salary cap helps).
Few of them acknowledge that by saying "we simply have a better front office and coaching". No, most say "we are better". No, you are not. You just had more luck.
(I am not directing this specifically to you Homotron...I am talking about the more generic Steeler fans)
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So as usual all the talking heads are saying we have no team and Weeden will get raped by the Ravens etc. etc.
It's no secret that this franchise is a joke but why do they have to always talk garbage on Cleveland as a city?
We have more culture, hotter women, more jobs and less crime than Pittsburgh. Can they just get over themselves? All I hear are people talking about how much we, collectively, suck.
If this were the south in the 50s we'd be the oppressed black people. So sick of this crap. Up yours ESPN
Haven't figured it out yet? ESPN has devolved into the National Frontrunner Network. As others have said, the Browns will get some love and respect when they EARN it.
A serious argument can be made the post- '99 Browns are as bad as some of the horrendous Bengal teams of the late 80s- 90s.
Has nothing to do with the city either. The Cavaliers were getting plenty of love when you-know-who used to play for them. Now? Not so much.
Haven't figured it out yet? ESPN has devolved into the National Frontrunner Network.
Well, as long as that frontrunner is from Boston or New York.
As others have said, the Browns will get some love and respect when they EARN it.
A serious argument can be made the post- '99 Browns are as bad as some of the horrendous Bengal teams of the late 80s- 90s.
Has nothing to do with the city either. The Cavaliers were getting plenty of love when you-know-who used to play for them. Now? Not so much.
Indians in first place! Yet no ownership has been more maligned that the Dolans (and rightly so in my view). Not sure if they really had a plan, or if this is all smoke and mirrors. (by the way: note that the series between two first place teams: Texas and Cleveland got no air on ESPN. They were all about the last place Red Sox.)
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All announcers/anchors have their favorite teams, and contrary to the popular opinion of Browns fans 95% of the game announcers/anchors hate the Steelers. Pittsburgh had the 3rd best record in the AFC last year and all the prognosticators are predicting our emminent demise in 2012. The Bengals are the talk of our division and you'd think they were Super Bowl bound based on all the off-season love. There is also a solid core of announcers/anchors at ESPN who absolutely adore the Baltimore Ravens.
In the end it's all just talk. When the Browns start proving mettle on the field, believe me, your team will recieve alot more national love than the Steelers ever will.
Endymion said:
All announcers/anchors have their favorite teams, and contrary to the popular opinion of Browns fans 95% of the game announcers/anchors hate the Steelers. Pittsburgh had the 3rd best record in the AFC last year and all the prognosticators are predicting our emminent demise in 2012. The Bengals are the talk of our division and you'd think they were Super Bowl bound based on all the off-season love. There is also a solid core of announcers/anchors at ESPN who absolutely adore the Baltimore Ravens.
In the end it's all just talk. When the Browns start proving mettle on the field, believe me, your team will recieve alot more national love than the Steelers ever will.
I think the basis for the belief that the Steelers may be on the downslide is the age of many of their defensive starters....but the Steelers have shown in the past that they are able to replenish aging starters with capable younger players.
And though guys like Homotron decry my view on this, I still think the real test of the Steelers resiliency will come when the 75 year old Dick LeBeau retires.
He thinks that the Steelers won't miss a beat on the defense. I say that it is not routine that you can just replace Hall of Fame talent, be it on field or at the coaching level. I compare it to trying to replace Terry Bradshaw. How do you know you won't be putting Mark Malone or Bubby Brister in there? It took the Steelers 20 years to find a good QB after Bradshaw retires. Don't expect to go from having Terry Bradshaw to Ben Roethlisberger in the space of one off season.
And just because the Steelers went from Chuck Noll to Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin doesn't mean the same will happen at DC. You could go from your version of replacing Blanton Collier with Nick Skorich.
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When we win more than 5 games maybe we will get respect. When you lose as much as Cleveland has Nobody cares about them.
When we win more than 5 games maybe we will get respect. When you lose as much as Cleveland has Nobody cares about them.
Exactly. We've sucked large ass since '99. Why on God's earth would anyone respect us?
Win, and we'll get respect. 4-5 wins = laughingstock.
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Endymion said:
All announcers/anchors have their favorite teams, and contrary to the popular opinion of Browns fans 95% of the game announcers/anchors hate the Steelers. Pittsburgh had the 3rd best record in the AFC last year and all the prognosticators are predicting our emminent demise in 2012. The Bengals are the talk of our division and you'd think they were Super Bowl bound based on all the off-season love. There is also a solid core of announcers/anchors at ESPN who absolutely adore the Baltimore Ravens.
In the end it's all just talk. When the Browns start proving mettle on the field, believe me, your team will recieve alot more national love than the Steelers ever will.
I think the basis for the belief that the Steelers may be on the downslide is the age of many of their defensive starters....but the Steelers have shown in the past that they are able to replenish aging starters with capable younger players.
And though guys like Homotron decry my view on this, I still think the real test of the Steelers resiliency will come when the 75 year old Dick LeBeau retires.
He thinks that the Steelers won't miss a beat on the defense. I say that it is not routine that you can just replace Hall of Fame talent, be it on field or at the coaching level. I compare it to trying to replace Terry Bradshaw. How do you know you won't be putting Mark Malone or Bubby Brister in there? It took the Steelers 20 years to find a good QB after Bradshaw retires. Don't expect to go from having Terry Bradshaw to Ben Roethlisberger in the space of one off season.
And just because the Steelers went from Chuck Noll to Bill Cowher to Mike Tomlin doesn't mean the same will happen at DC. You could go from your version of replacing Blanton Collier with Nick Skorich.
And though guys like Homotron decry my view on this, I still think the real test of the Steelers resiliency will come when the 75 year old Dick LeBeau retires.
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Based on what I know of the Steelers, I expect their offense to be much improved this year. I would expect a leap into the top 10 offenses (from 21st), especially if the draft picks pan out and provide Ben with some much needed protection.
The real test of LeBeau comes this year. He's lost some core components to the defense, and those that remain appear to have lost some steps with age. If the Steelers defense finishes in the top 10 this year, then LeBeau worked some kind of miracle or a re-established run-game came to the rescue. There are other great defensive minds in the NFL, and I'd wager the Steelers have a better than 50/50 chance of landing one when LeBeau retires. Regardless, their is a talent/experience drain on the Steelers defense that will continue through at least the 2013 season.
I think the Steelers need to adopt the GB/NE model to make the play-offs this year. If they don't then I expect the prognosticators to be correct about our demise. If Steelers do embrace that model our owner will be an unhappy camper. Defense may win championships, but the 2012 Steelers defense definately won't. Further, I think Pittsburgh will have the worst defense in the AFC North.
Besides, Dick Jauron is an excellent defensive coach and I won't be surprised if the Browns had one of the top defensive units in the league this year. Not to mention your seems to have some good talent collecting on its' defense. If Rucker and Parker can keep you from getting gashed in the run game, I don't see many teams scoring more than 16 points against you. I just don't see your offense scoring any points and that means I don't see many wins in store for the Browns in 2012.
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Homotron said:
I could NOT agree more. I'm done with the city vs city stuff. I'm as guilty as anyone contributing to the endless amount of bs but I'm only defending my city. I'm never the one bringing it up. I personally don't understand it AT ALL. It should never be about city vs city but rather Browns vs Steelers, Ravens, Bengals and the same can be said on every other respective board. I read and post on a board for each team but most of my posting happens on my primary Steelers board and here. I post more here because of all the city of Pittsburgh hate.
Right, there is nothing wrong with the City of Pittsburgh.
But, a lot of Steeler fans are myopic.
They have no clue how lucky they are.
The City of Pittsburgh is no different than any of the other Great Lakes area cities: Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee (exclude Chicago because of its size).
The only difference is that they have had a fairly successful football team (and hockey) where the others have not.
But most of them don't understand that. They ignore the fact that the Steelers could just as easily have had the same fate as the Pirates (save the fact that the Steelers have been well owned and managed...that is the only difference...and revenue sharing and a salary cap helps).
Few of them acknowledge that by saying "we simply have a better front office and coaching". No, most say "we are better". No, you are not. You just had more luck.
(I am not directing this specifically to you Homotron...I am talking about the more generic Steeler fans)
Right, there is nothing wrong with the City of Pittsburgh.
But, a lot of Steeler fans are myopic.
They have no clue how lucky they are.
The City of Pittsburgh is no different than any of the other Great Lakes area cities: Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Milwaukee (exclude Chicago because of its size).
The only difference is that they have had a fairly successful football team (and hockey) where the others have not.
But most of them don't understand that. They ignore the fact that the Steelers could just as easily have had the same fate as the Pirates (save the fact that the Steelers have been well owned and managed...that is the only difference...and revenue sharing and a salary cap helps).
Few of them acknowledge that by saying "we simply have a better front office and coaching". No, most say "we are better". No, you are not. You just had more luck.
(I am not directing this specifically to you Homotron...I am talking about the more generic Steeler fans)
And they're not on the lake...
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Bottom line on this thread comes from Charlie Sheen:
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And though guys like Homotron decry my view on this, I still think the real test of the Steelers resiliency will come when the 75 year old Dick LeBeau retires.
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Based on what I know of the Steelers, I expect their offense to be much improved this year. I would expect a leap into the top 10 offenses (from 21st), especially if the draft picks pan out and provide Ben with some much needed protection.
The real test of LeBeau comes this year. He's lost some core components to the defense, and those that remain appear to have lost some steps with age. If the Steelers defense finishes in the top 10 this year, then LeBeau worked some kind of miracle or a re-established run-game came to the rescue. There are other great defensive minds in the NFL, and I'd wager the Steelers have a better than 50/50 chance of landing one when LeBeau retires. Regardless, their is a talent/experience drain on the Steelers defense that will continue through at least the 2013 season.
I think the Steelers need to adopt the GB/NE model to make the play-offs this year. If they don't then I expect the prognosticators to be correct about our demise. If Steelers do embrace that model our owner will be an unhappy camper. Defense may win championships, but the 2012 Steelers defense definately won't. Further, I think Pittsburgh will have the worst defense in the AFC North.
Besides, Dick Jauron is an excellent defensive coach and I won't be surprised if the Browns had one of the top defensive units in the league this year. Not to mention your seems to have some good talent collecting on its' defense. If Rucker and Parker can keep you from getting gashed in the run game, I don't see many teams scoring more than 16 points against you. I just don't see your offense scoring any points and that means I don't see many wins in store for the Browns in 2012.
Endymion said:
Based on what I know of the Steelers, I expect their offense to be much improved this year. I would expect a leap into the top 10 offenses (from 21st), especially if the draft picks pan out and provide Ben with some much needed protection.
The real test of LeBeau comes this year. He's lost some core components to the defense, and those that remain appear to have lost some steps with age. If the Steelers defense finishes in the top 10 this year, then LeBeau worked some kind of miracle or a re-established run-game came to the rescue. There are other great defensive minds in the NFL, and I'd wager the Steelers have a better than 50/50 chance of landing one when LeBeau retires. Regardless, their is a talent/experience drain on the Steelers defense that will continue through at least the 2013 season.
I think the Steelers need to adopt the GB/NE model to make the play-offs this year. If they don't then I expect the prognosticators to be correct about our demise. If Steelers do embrace that model our owner will be an unhappy camper. Defense may win championships, but the 2012 Steelers defense definately won't. Further, I think Pittsburgh will have the worst defense in the AFC North.
Besides, Dick Jauron is an excellent defensive coach and I won't be surprised if the Browns had one of the top defensive units in the league this year. Not to mention your seems to have some good talent collecting on its' defense. If Rucker and Parker can keep you from getting gashed in the run game, I don't see many teams scoring more than 16 points against you. I just don't see your offense scoring any points and that means I don't see many wins in store for the Browns in 2012.
The Browns CERTAINLY still have some major holes on their defense. They were line 31st against the run....and honestly, the way I see it, they will be relying on some lower pick rookies to help the situation, JimMickJack (James-Michael Johnson), and Gesundheit (Emmanuel Acho). They also have hole at FS and at CB, since Sheldon Brown is seriously diminished in his skills. Hopefully the guys you mention, Rucker and Parker can help along the D-line along with The Sausage King and Billy Winn to what the Browns have now there.
As for LeBeau, if anyone get get the most out of your Wrought Iron Curtain (one showing its age), it is LeBeau.
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