Andrew Sweat
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Wait are we saying better linebackers recently or all time?
He said all-time *except for maybe the past 10 years or so).
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Wait are we saying better linebackers recently or all time?
Perhaps, both.
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OK, here is the comparison of Ohio State and Penn State Linebackers through the years. I am going to list any linebacker from each program that spent a 5 year career in the NFL, plus some active players. I will note Pro Bowls and All Pro selections:
OHIO STATE:
Tony Adamle 6 years 2 Pro Bowls
Aaron Brown 6 years
Bob Brudzinski 13 years
Joe Campanella 6 years
Bobby Carpenter 6 years..active
Tom Cousineau 6 years (plus Canada)
Na'il Diggs 12 years
Sonny Gandee 6 years
Thaddeus Gibson 2 years...active
Randy Gradishar 10 years 7 Pro Bowls 2 All Pro
Larry Grant 4 years, active 2012 will be 5th year
Anthony Griggs 7 years
AJ Hawk 6 years active
Jim Houston 10 years 4 Pro Bowls
Bill Jobko 9 years
Pepper Johnson 10 years 2 Pro Bowls 1 All Pro
Jim Laughlin 8 years
Jim Laurenitis 3 years active
Orlando Lowry 5 years
Rick Middleton 5 years
Chris Spielman 10 years 4 Pro Bowls 1 All Pro
Lorenzo Styles 6 years
Steve Tovar 8 years
Mike Vrabel 10 years 1 Pro Bowl 1 All Pro
Stan White 11 years
Matt Wilhelm 8 years
PENN ST.
Kurt Allerman 9 years
LaVar Arrington 7 years 3 Pro Bowls
Walker Lee Ashley 7 years
Ralph Baker 10 years
Navarro Bowman 2 years active 1 All Pro
Greg Butler 9 years
Andre Collins 10 years
Shane Conlan 9 years 3 Pro Bowls
Dan Connor 4 years active
Ron Crosby 6 years
Chuck Drazenovich 10 years 4 Pro Bowls
Jeff Ebersole 8 years
Keith Goganian 5 years
Dave Graf 6 years
Jack Ham HALL OF FAME
Terry Kiltery 7 years
Jim Laslevic 9 years
Rich Milot 9 years
Bob Mitinger 5 years
Jim Nelson 8 years
Ed O'Neil 7 years
Paul Pozluzney 5 years active
Scott Radevic 12 years
Dave Robinson 10 years 3 Pro Bowls 1 All Pro
Bill Saul 8 years
Tim Shaw 5 years
Brandon Short 7 years
Jim Skorupan 8 years
The two schools have had just about the same number of LBs with 5 year careers: PSU: 28 OSU: 27. They have had the same number of players make the Pro Bowl: 6 each. Ohio State has had more players selected as All Pro: 4 vs 3. (PSU includes Ham). Ham is the only Hall of Famer in the crowd, though Gradishar was a HOF Finalist for like 8-10 years running.
Just looking at the names, to me, it is clear that Ohio State by no means takes a back seat to PSU in terms of producing quality NFL linebackers.
I would venture to say, however, that if you took USC's LB corps through the years, they would probably best either school. In fact, here is the list of USC LBs who were Pro Bowlers or All Pros:
Chip Banks, Duane Bickett, Frank Buncom, Brian Cushing, Dave Lewis, Rod Martin, Clay Mattews Jr., Clay Matthews III, Tim Rossovich, Junior Seau, Lofa Tatupu. Almost the same as PSU and OSU combined.
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I know, you are going to ask: When is Kaluka Maiava going to join the list of USC Pro Bowl LBs.
Good luck with that.
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@MaryKayCabot: Ohio state linebacker Andrew sweat,'signed by #browns as an undrafted free agent, is not at camp and has decided not to play, Shurmur said.
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@MaryKayCabot: Ohio state linebacker Andrew sweat,'signed by #browns as an undrafted free agent, is not at camp and has decided not to play, Shurmur said.
@MaryKayCabot: Ohio state linebacker Andrew sweat,'signed by #browns as an undrafted free agent, is not at camp and has decided not to play, Shurmur said.
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
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@MaryKayCabot: Ohio state linebacker Andrew sweat,'signed by #browns as an undrafted free agent, is not at camp and has decided not to play, Shurmur said.
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
Zombo said:
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
Amen to that!!!
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@MaryKayCabot: Ohio state linebacker Andrew sweat,'signed by #browns as an undrafted free agent, is not at camp and has decided not to play, Shurmur said.
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
Zombo said:
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
What kind of weenie doesn't even show up for mini camp and give it a shot?
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Zombo said:
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
What kind of weenie doesn't even show up for mini camp and give it a shot?
What kind of weenie doesn't even show up for mini camp and give it a shot?
The kind of guy who was getting offered spots at prestigious schools to go to graduates school.
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Zombo said:
... And thus ended the great Andrew Sweat era.
Zombo
--A Pennstater would have at least shown up
What kind of weenie doesn't even show up for mini camp and give it a shot?
What kind of weenie doesn't even show up for mini camp and give it a shot?
A guy who knows he isn't good enough and now is looking to get on with his life.
He signed a pro contract. He can always say that, and he can also tell his kids he was never cut from a team.
There is something to be said for that.
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The kind of guy who was getting offered spots at prestigious schools to go to graduates school.
School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
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The kind of guy who was getting offered spots at prestigious schools to go to graduates school.
School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
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School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
But you are a weenie for not taking a shot at it...
Zombo
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School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
OK, but does anyone know if this kid is in fact in line to go for a masters or beyond? What was his major? What does he say he plans to do in lieu of playing football?
(and would it surprise anyone if a year from now he is not out trying to sign onto an NFL roster?)
Look at it this way: The Browns are the perfect opportunity for an LB to come in and get a chance to play, because our LBs, quite frankly, are so weak.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra: "If he can't make it here, he can't make it anywhere."
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The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
OK, but does anyone know if this kid is in fact in line to go for a masters or beyond? What was his major? What does he say he plans to do in lieu of playing football?
(and would it surprise anyone if a year from now he is not out trying to sign onto an NFL roster?)
Look at it this way: The Browns are the perfect opportunity for an LB to come in and get a chance to play, because our LBs, quite frankly, are so weak.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra: "If he can't make it here, he can't make it anywhere."
OK, but does anyone know if this kid is in fact in line to go for a masters or beyond? What was his major? What does he say he plans to do in lieu of playing football?
(and would it surprise anyone if a year from now he is not out trying to sign onto an NFL roster?)
Look at it this way: The Browns are the perfect opportunity for an LB to come in and get a chance to play, because our LBs, quite frankly, are so weak.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra: "If he can't make it here, he can't make it anywhere."
From what i got out of it is he is going to law school. Was accepted into 5 out of the 6 schools he applied to. The one school who rejected him?? THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY ......aint that some shit?
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The longer you are out of school the less likely better schools will except you into programs or offer you full rides like he is getting. Kid made a decision, try and play football or continue my education in my chosen degree. Just because you have the option to play football doesn't mean you have to.
OK, but does anyone know if this kid is in fact in line to go for a masters or beyond? What was his major? What does he say he plans to do in lieu of playing football?
(and would it surprise anyone if a year from now he is not out trying to sign onto an NFL roster?)
Look at it this way: The Browns are the perfect opportunity for an LB to come in and get a chance to play, because our LBs, quite frankly, are so weak.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra: "If he can't make it here, he can't make it anywhere."
OK, but does anyone know if this kid is in fact in line to go for a masters or beyond? What was his major? What does he say he plans to do in lieu of playing football?
(and would it surprise anyone if a year from now he is not out trying to sign onto an NFL roster?)
Look at it this way: The Browns are the perfect opportunity for an LB to come in and get a chance to play, because our LBs, quite frankly, are so weak.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra: "If he can't make it here, he can't make it anywhere."
Who cares? He can make just as much as a lawyer as he would have as a decent NFL player. This career choice doesn't deteriorate his body and ensures the financial security of his family for a lifetime instead of just a few years. He already played for the love of the game, and apparently the money wasn't important to him.
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The kind of guy who was getting offered spots at prestigious schools to go to graduates school.
School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
School doesn't go away....the chance to play in the NFL is a pretty small window.
You are correct on both counts. As to the second point, the window is small both in time frame and who can actually enter the window. I don't think anybody here thinks Sweat would have made the team, and more on point, I think he felt the same way.
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Its the choice of being practice squad fodder and not know how long that paycheck will last vs being a lawyer and set for life.
Easy choice for the kid.
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OK, but does anyone know if this kid is in fact in line to go for a masters or beyond? What was his major? What does he say he plans to do in lieu of playing football?
(and would it surprise anyone if a year from now he is not out trying to sign onto an NFL roster?)
Look at it this way: The Browns are the perfect opportunity for an LB to come in and get a chance to play, because our LBs, quite frankly, are so weak.
To paraphrase Frank Sinatra: "If he can't make it here, he can't make it anywhere."
Who cares? He can make just as much as a lawyer as he would have as a decent NFL player. This career choice doesn't deteriorate his body and ensures the financial security of his family for a lifetime instead of just a few years. He already played for the love of the game, and apparently the money wasn't important to him.
Who cares? He can make just as much as a lawyer as he would have as a decent NFL player. This career choice doesn't deteriorate his body and ensures the financial security of his family for a lifetime instead of just a few years. He already played for the love of the game, and apparently the money wasn't important to him.
Oh, trust me....he can make a lot more just being signed at the minimum NFL contract than he can being an attorney.
What is the minimum rookie wage scale of an NFL player? $350,000? If he played for 5 years at the mimimum salary he would earn $1,750,000.
And here is news for you friend? Most lawyers don't make nearly as much as you think they do.
The average salary (or net earning for someone in sole practice) for an attorney in NE Ohio is about $50,000 per year...take my f***ing word for it...it is true. It might be quite a bit more in other parts of the country, but not here). So, in a 30 year career he couldn't make as much as in a 5 year NFL career at the miminum wage scale. And if he was any good at all he could make in one year the median of what lawyers make in a career.
Now, certainly there are some exceptions in what lawyers make.
And whoever said it was right: you can go back and get your law degree.
When I was at Cleveland-Marshall we had 2 Browns players attending law school: Gerald Irons and Dick Ambrose. I know Ambrose became a judge in Cuyahoga Co. (he may still be on the bench)
So, it can be done....maybe Sweat just didn't want to do it. So be it.
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Well here is bit more of the story, and seems like he will be set for a job if passes out from Law School as his dad runs a successful law firm already, and hints at the concussion thing being one of his concerns.
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