Per Nfl.com: Browns Viewed Rg3 As "too Small"
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They're just covering their tracks so they don't look completely Retarded. I don't think they are fooling anybody though.
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He's got Aaron Rodgers's frame. Would you have the same concerns about him?
Correction: He's got Aaron Rodgers' frame with Olive Oyl's legs. It looks like he's walking on toothpicks.
Correction: He's got Aaron Rodgers' frame with Olive Oyl's legs. It looks like he's walking on toothpicks.
Um, what?
Those are toothpicks?
Here's a comparison of Rodgers and Griffin:
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The narrative is being written. Cleveland Browns first-round pick Brandon Weeden had "the look of a No. 1 quarterback" according to The Plain Dealer at Tuesday's minicamp. Weeden is the one meeting with the media after practice. Colt McCoy is an afterthought.
Weeden is being sold. The other options Cleveland had at quarterback this offseason are being discredited. Veteran beat writer Tony Grossi reports that the Browns only pursued Robert Griffin III "enough to say that they tried." Griffin was viewed as "too small" and "eager to show how fast he was."
The Browns didn't like Matt Flynn either: "No bigger than McCoy with a similarly popgun arm. He was never seriously considered."
Or Ryan Tannehill: "His maturity as a quarterback and field leader were so lacking that he turned them off in personal interviews. He didn’t project as a leader."
Now, before everyone starts with the "this is just a Redskins fan trying to gloat" - because I'm really not - what do you all think of this? I know if the Browns and Skins positions were switched and Snyder tried to argue something like this, the entire fanbase would collectively call shenanigans on him.
I believe what they're saying about Flynn or Tannehill, you guys were never really interested in those two. But trying to pass off that they were never really interested in RG3 seems like a bit of revisionist history - especially with how much Holmgren pushed the "Shanahan and Fischer are buddies" angle right after the trade went down.
Personally, I like Weeden over Tannehill and Flynn also, so you got the next best QB available, and I really think that he'll do well for you. It'll definitely help having a talent like Richardson behind him.
But trying to say that you were never interested in RG3? I gotta raise a flag at that.
Now, before everyone starts with the "this is just a Redskins fan trying to gloat" - because I'm really not - what do you all think of this? I know if the Browns and Skins positions were switched and Snyder tried to argue something like this, the entire fanbase would collectively call shenanigans on him.
I believe what they're saying about Flynn or Tannehill, you guys were never really interested in those two. But trying to pass off that they were never really interested in RG3 seems like a bit of revisionist history - especially with how much Holmgren pushed the "Shanahan and Fischer are buddies" angle right after the trade went down.
Personally, I like Weeden over Tannehill and Flynn also, so you got the next best QB available, and I really think that he'll do well for you. It'll definitely help having a talent like Richardson behind him.
But trying to say that you were never interested in RG3? I gotta raise a flag at that.
If you go back and look at my posts before the trade was made by the Redskins I said the very same thing: that I didn't think the Browns were all that interested in RGIII, particularly at the price that was being asked to move up to get him. I believed that the Browns felt that if RG was there at their #4 pick they may take him, but that they didn't like him well enough to pay an exorbitant price to move up to get him.
So, no. I actually buy it, because it was something I was selling.
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He's got Aaron Rodgers's frame. Would you have the same concerns about him?
Yes. I would.
Stop coming in here and comparing RG3 to Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre/who the fuck cares. The dude hasn't taken a snap yet, calm down. Just because he has the same "frame" as somebody doesn't mean jack shit.
He's also the same "frame" as John Beck, David Garrard and Cleo Lemon.
Smarter men than you or I have claimed to had an issue with his stature; putting pictures up of a combine workout doesn't change that. If he proves people wrong and goes Pro Bowl for the next 12 years, then that is fantastic and I feel legitimately excited for you and the Redskins organization. But I'm not expecting it, and I don't think many other people are either.
I said it before and I'll say it again: RG3 owes Cam Newton a huge thank you. Without Cam's stellar year, RG3 would not have gotten the deal he did or been picked where he was.
And for those of you claiming RG3 is the next Cam...I've got 4 inches, 30 lbs, and a National Championship earned in a much harder conference that says otherwise.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Aaron Rogers makes a living throwing the ball, RG3 will make a living running the ball. He WILL take a pounding, when's the last time Mike Vick stayed healthy? That's why his stature would be a concern, he's a running quarterback. Don't compare him to a pocket passer.
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Aaron Rogers makes a living throwing the ball, RG3 will make a living running the ball. He WILL take a pounding, when's the last time Mike Vick stayed healthy? That's why his stature would be a concern, he's a running quarterback. Don't compare him to a pocket passer.
Aaron Rogers makes a living throwing the ball, RG3 will make a living running the ball. He WILL take a pounding, when's the last time Mike Vick stayed healthy? That's why his stature would be a concern, he's a running quarterback. Don't compare him to a pocket passer.
Um, no. He's a passer who has the ability to be a threat running. You can't compare him to Vick at all. If Vick's first option wasn't immediately available, he was tucking and running. Griffin is still looking to throw the ball after he breaks contain and only tucks it once he's past the line.
You say he'll make a living running the ball, but he's only called a "running QB" by people who don't know/haven't watched him. Am I saying he won't take a pounding? No. But he's far from a running QB. There's a reason he's called "The Arm" and not "The Legs"
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He's got Aaron Rodgers's frame. Would you have the same concerns about him?
Yes. I would.
Stop coming in here and comparing RG3 to Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre/who the fuck cares. The dude hasn't taken a snap yet, calm down. Just because he has the same "frame" as somebody doesn't mean jack shit.
He's also the same "frame" as John Beck, David Garrard and Cleo Lemon.
Smarter men than you or I have claimed to had an issue with his stature; putting pictures up of a combine workout doesn't change that. If he proves people wrong and goes Pro Bowl for the next 12 years, then that is fantastic and I feel legitimately excited for you and the Redskins organization. But I'm not expecting it, and I don't think many other people are either.
I said it before and I'll say it again: RG3 owes Cam Newton a huge thank you. Without Cam's stellar year, RG3 would not have gotten the deal he did or been picked where he was.
And for those of you claiming RG3 is the next Cam...I've got 4 inches, 30 lbs, and a National Championship earned in a much harder conference that says otherwise.
Stop coming in here and comparing RG3 to Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre/who the fuck cares. The dude hasn't taken a snap yet, calm down. Just because he has the same "frame" as somebody doesn't mean jack shit.
He's also the same "frame" as John Beck, David Garrard and Cleo Lemon.
I never compared RG3 to Rodgers or Favre. I said they're built the same way. So are Beck, Garrard, and Lemon. I never claimed he would be as good as Rodgers. Just that it's asinine to call RG3 "too small" if you wouldn't call Favre or Rodgers "too small".
And I wouldn't call Beck, Garrard, or Lemon "too small" either.
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Aaron Rogers makes a living throwing the ball, RG3 will make a living running the ball. He WILL take a pounding, when's the last time Mike Vick stayed healthy? That's why his stature would be a concern, he's a running quarterback. Don't compare him to a pocket passer.
Um, no. He's a passer who has the ability to be a threat running. You can't compare him to Vick at all. If Vick's first option wasn't immediately available, he was tucking and running. Griffin is still looking to throw the ball after he breaks contain and only tucks it once he's past the line.
You say he'll make a living running the ball, but he's only called a "running QB" by people who don't know/haven't watched him. Am I saying he won't take a pounding? No. But he's far from a running QB. There's a reason he's called "The Arm" and not "The Legs"
Um, no. He's a passer who has the ability to be a threat running. You can't compare him to Vick at all. If Vick's first option wasn't immediately available, he was tucking and running. Griffin is still looking to throw the ball after he breaks contain and only tucks it once he's past the line.
You say he'll make a living running the ball, but he's only called a "running QB" by people who don't know/haven't watched him. Am I saying he won't take a pounding? No. But he's far from a running QB. There's a reason he's called "The Arm" and not "The Legs"
For every two passing attempts he has one rushing attempt. Anybody would label that a running QB. Watch his tape, first reads covered, he's running. I don't make this stuff up.
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Stop coming in here and comparing RG3 to Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre/who the fuck cares. The dude hasn't taken a snap yet, calm down. Just because he has the same "frame" as somebody doesn't mean jack shit.
He's also the same "frame" as John Beck, David Garrard and Cleo Lemon.
I never compared RG3 to Rodgers or Favre. I said they're built the same way. So are Beck, Garrard, and Lemon. I never claimed he would be as good as Rodgers. Just that it's asinine to call RG3 "too small" if you wouldn't call Favre or Rodgers "too small".
And I wouldn't call Beck, Garrard, or Lemon "too small" either.
I never compared RG3 to Rodgers or Favre. I said they're built the same way. So are Beck, Garrard, and Lemon. I never claimed he would be as good as Rodgers. Just that it's asinine to call RG3 "too small" if you wouldn't call Favre or Rodgers "too small".
And I wouldn't call Beck, Garrard, or Lemon "too small" either.
And that's the difference between you and nearly every scout covering the NFL.
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He's got Aaron Rodgers's frame. Would you have the same concerns about him?
Yes. I would.
Stop coming in here and comparing RG3 to Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre/who the fuck cares. The dude hasn't taken a snap yet, calm down. Just because he has the same "frame" as somebody doesn't mean jack shit.
He's also the same "frame" as John Beck, David Garrard and Cleo Lemon.
Smarter men than you or I have claimed to had an issue with his stature; putting pictures up of a combine workout doesn't change that. If he proves people wrong and goes Pro Bowl for the next 12 years, then that is fantastic and I feel legitimately excited for you and the Redskins organization. But I'm not expecting it, and I don't think many other people are either.
I said it before and I'll say it again: RG3 owes Cam Newton a huge thank you. Without Cam's stellar year, RG3 would not have gotten the deal he did or been picked where he was.
And for those of you claiming RG3 is the next Cam...I've got 4 inches, 30 lbs, and a National Championship earned in a much harder conference that says otherwise.
I said it before and I'll say it again: RG3 owes Cam Newton a huge thank you. Without Cam's stellar year, RG3 would not have gotten the deal he did or been picked where he was.
And for those of you claiming RG3 is the next Cam...I've got 4 inches, 30 lbs, and a National Championship earned in a much harder conference that says otherwise.
ouch!!!
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I never compared RG3 to Rodgers or Favre. I said they're built the same way. So are Beck, Garrard, and Lemon. I never claimed he would be as good as Rodgers. Just that it's asinine to call RG3 "too small" if you wouldn't call Favre or Rodgers "too small".
And I wouldn't call Beck, Garrard, or Lemon "too small" either.
And that's the difference between you and nearly every scout covering the NFL.
And that's the difference between you and nearly every scout covering the NFL.
No, not every scout - just Cleveland's.
There's a difference between "too small" and "too unable to play". Small is a reference to physical stature. If RG3 is "too small" to play in the NFL, so is Aaron Rodgers, David Garrard, Drew Brees, etc.
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And that's the difference between you and nearly every scout covering the NFL.
No, not every scout - just Cleveland's.
There's a difference between "too small" and "too unable to play". Small is a reference to physical stature. If RG3 is "too small" to play in the NFL, so is Aaron Rodgers, David Garrard, Drew Brees, etc.
No, not every scout - just Cleveland's.
There's a difference between "too small" and "too unable to play". Small is a reference to physical stature. If RG3 is "too small" to play in the NFL, so is Aaron Rodgers, David Garrard, Drew Brees, etc.
GTFO!!
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Um, no. He's a passer who has the ability to be a threat running. You can't compare him to Vick at all. If Vick's first option wasn't immediately available, he was tucking and running. Griffin is still looking to throw the ball after he breaks contain and only tucks it once he's past the line.
You say he'll make a living running the ball, but he's only called a "running QB" by people who don't know/haven't watched him. Am I saying he won't take a pounding? No. But he's far from a running QB. There's a reason he's called "The Arm" and not "The Legs"
For every two passing attempts he has one rushing attempt. Anybody would label that a running QB. Watch his tape, first reads covered, he's running. I don't make this stuff up.
For every two passing attempts he has one rushing attempt. Anybody would label that a running QB. Watch his tape, first reads covered, he's running. I don't make this stuff up.
Griffin had more passing attempts his final year than Vick and Cam did their entire career, while he had fewer rushing attempts than Cam did in both their final years. A "running QB" doesn't throw for 4000 yards and 36 TDs in a season.
I'm not saying he doesn't run; he obviously does. But he's far from a "running QB".
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In retrospect, not going all in on RG3 and walking away with Richardson and the Weedster and his big gun and obvious leadership skills was brilliant. I rooted hard to get Griffin because I wanted somebody who would put a bullet In this 13 year QB merry-go-round, but Weedster accomplishes that and, Oh by the way, we get the best RB prospect in years.
Coaches are already raving about Weedster, I'm happy as a pig in shit, don't care WHY we didn't throw in the extra nugget to secure Griffin, just glad we didn't.
Z
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The idea that RG3 and Vick aren't comparable is asinine. Both play QB. Both are phenomenal athletes. Both run really fast. Both had stellar college careers. Both were taken within the first 2 picks in their respective drafts. Both, needless to say, came into the leauge with high expectations. Both are considered undersized compared to your prototypical QB. Frankly at this point in RG3's career, he should be honored to be compared to Vick considering RG3 has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. I was in favor of trading up for RG3 but lets not lose our grip on reality here. RG3 compares more to Vick then any other NFL QB past or present.
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The idea that RG3 and Vick aren't comparable is asinine. Both play QB. Both are phenomenal athletes. Both run really fast. Both had stellar college careers. Both were taken within the first 2 picks in their respective drafts. Both, needless to say, came into the leauge with high expectations. Both are considered undersized compared to your prototypical QB. Frankly at this point in RG3's career, he should be honored to be compared to Vick considering RG3 has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. I was in favor of trading up for RG3 but lets not lose our grip on reality here. RG3 compares more to Vick then any other NFL QB past or present.
The idea that RG3 and Vick aren't comparable is asinine. Both play QB. Both are phenomenal athletes. Both run really fast. Both had stellar college careers. Both were taken within the first 2 picks in their respective drafts. Both, needless to say, came into the leauge with high expectations. Both are considered undersized compared to your prototypical QB. Frankly at this point in RG3's career, he should be honored to be compared to Vick considering RG3 has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. I was in favor of trading up for RG3 but lets not lose our grip on reality here. RG3 compares more to Vick then any other NFL QB past or present.
Theres just one very big difference...
Griffin can throw, and throw accurately...
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Um, no. He's a passer who has the ability to be a threat running. You can't compare him to Vick at all. If Vick's first option wasn't immediately available, he was tucking and running. Griffin is still looking to throw the ball after he breaks contain and only tucks it once he's past the line.
You say he'll make a living running the ball, but he's only called a "running QB" by people who don't know/haven't watched him. Am I saying he won't take a pounding? No. But he's far from a running QB. There's a reason he's called "The Arm" and not "The Legs"
For every two passing attempts he has one rushing attempt. Anybody would label that a running QB. Watch his tape, first reads covered, he's running. I don't make this stuff up.
For every two passing attempts he has one rushing attempt. Anybody would label that a running QB. Watch his tape, first reads covered, he's running. I don't make this stuff up.
For every two passing attempts he has a rushing attempt. Okay, fine; how many of those are called runs? When I watched RG3, I didn't see a guy who ran after his first read wasn't there at all. I saw him consistently hang in the pocket, try to make a throw, often to the point of him getting crushed behind a pathetic offensive line. I've watched pretty much every bit of tape out there on RG3, and I've never understood people's insistence that he's one read and run---a criticism that was often lobbed at Cam Newton, which also turned out to be bull.
No offense, college or otherwise, can properly function as a "one read and run" offense, much less the Air Raid attack that Baylor employs.
I mean I don't want it to seem like the Redskins fans are ganging up on the Browns fans, but we're kind of genuinely curious about how you feel about your football team. I liked Weeden and I liked Richardson, I think they'll be solid players, but I think me, Kerrigan and Sinister find it odd that the narrative is now shifting, especially given how Holmgren basically said that they gave the Rams their best offer but they didn't have a shot because...basically, Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher have a prior relationship.
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Question...
How many of you can honestly get up in the morning, and not think (even if it is a passing thought) about doing evil things to Mike Holmgren?
with that picture- you want a quarterback, or Usain Bolt? Just kidding. The guy has muscle on top of muscles. Personally I think H&H have a serious case of sour grapes- revisionist history.
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