Per Nfl.com: Browns Viewed Rg3 As "too Small"
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Oh I forgot one. Vick has a hell of an arm too so I'm not quite sure where your getting the idea that he can't throw. Accuracy is debatable but at this point I'm fairly positive Vick has a better completion in the NFL then RG3 does. I can't say that I've ever woken up and thought about Holmgren. Waking up and wanting to do "evil things" to him is just down right creepy.
As far as the narrative "changing" what did you expect? Of course the narrative changed because the story has changed. It's not odd, its common. Honestly what does the Brown's brass have to gain by talking up RG3 at this point? Not much. What does the Brown's brass have to gain by leaking negative information by RG3? Quite a bit. By having doubts about RG3's frame (aka injury concerns) their proving that taking Richardson and Weeden while holding on to our first rounder next year is more advantageous then trading away the farm for RG3. Considering your a skins fan I can only assume your from the DC area in which case I find it extremely odd that don't understand spin and changing narratives. Aren't those DC staples?
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The idea that RG3 and Vick aren't comparable is asinine. Both play QB. Both are phenomenal athletes. Both run really fast. Both had stellar college careers. Both were taken within the first 2 picks in their respective drafts. Both, needless to say, came into the leauge with high expectations. Both are considered undersized compared to your prototypical QB. Frankly at this point in RG3's career, he should be honored to be compared to Vick considering RG3 has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. I was in favor of trading up for RG3 but lets not lose our grip on reality here. RG3 compares more to Vick then any other NFL QB past or present.
Theres just one very big difference...
Griffin can throw, and throw accurately...
Theres just one very big difference...
Griffin can throw, and throw accurately...
Says who?
Throwing "accurately" against scrub Big 12 DB's that will be watching NFL on Sundays is different than throwing accurately in the league.
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In his last season at Va Tech, Vick threw for 1,234 yds, at a 54% clip. He was a running quarterback. He had, and still has an arm, but he couldn't "throw" to save his life. He didn't even start to show progression into his NFL career until '06.
RGlll in his last year, threw for 4200 yds, at a 72% clip. Besides the fact that they're both black, and fast, there is no compariso...none.
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If you can't throw accurately in college, then you are going to be severely handicapped in the pros, no matter who you play against. Accuracy is accuracy, point blank.
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I'll give you some more stats.
Against Texas (ranked 14th defensively) he threw for 320 yds, at a 68% clip.
Against TCU (ranked 32nd defensively) he threw for 359 yds, at a 77% clip.
He shredded Oklahoma for 479 yds, and 4 TD's, 14 yds per completion, at a 61% clip.
He did all of this with a fairly average team. Yep, definitely a running quarterback
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In his last season at Va Tech, Vick threw for 1,234 yds, at a 54% clip. He was a running quarterback. He had, and still has an arm, but he couldn't "throw" to save his life. He didn't even start to show progression into his NFL career until '06.
RGlll in his last year, threw for 4200 yds, at a 72% clip. Besides the fact that they're both black, and fast, there is no compariso...none.
In his last season at Va Tech, Vick threw for 1,234 yds, at a 54% clip. He was a running quarterback. He had, and still has an arm, but he couldn't "throw" to save his life. He didn't even start to show progression into his NFL career until '06.
RGlll in his last year, threw for 4200 yds, at a 72% clip. Besides the fact that they're both black, and fast, there is no compariso...none.
Yo, douchebag. You realize we drafted Brandon Weeden, not Michael Vick, right?
Griffin is a fine prospect, but we got ourseselves a bigger, stronger QB AND the best running back prospect in years, so you might want to slow your roll.
Zombo
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Your right there is no comparison as is. Vick is undoubtedly a more successful NFL QB then RG3 is. RG3 has never won a game, has a passer rating of 0, a completion percentage of 0, and a grand total of 0 TD's. If you haven't completed a pass, scored a TD, or won a game in the NFL you are severely handicapped at being a better NFL QB then one who has.
Despite this tomfoolery, how about my Thunder? Started off 0-2 and now we're heading for the finals. If they pull this thing out it'll be a banner year sportswise for me. First my Cards pull off one of the craziest runs in baseball playoff history, my pokes went to and won their first BCS bowl game, and now the Thunder are 4 games away. If the Browns can pull off a miracle this year I might have unintentionally sold my soul to the devil in a drunken stupor.
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In his last season at Va Tech, Vick threw for 1,234 yds, at a 54% clip. He was a running quarterback. He had, and still has an arm, but he couldn't "throw" to save his life. He didn't even start to show progression into his NFL career until '06.
RGlll in his last year, threw for 4200 yds, at a 72% clip. Besides the fact that they're both black, and fast, there is no compariso...none.
Yo, douchebag. You realize we drafted Brandon Weeden, not Michael Vick, right?
Griffin is a fine prospect, but we got ourseselves a bigger, stronger QB AND the best running back prospect in years, so you might want to slow your roll.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Yo, douchebag. You realize we drafted Brandon Weeden, not Michael Vick, right?
Griffin is a fine prospect, but we got ourseselves a bigger, stronger QB AND the best running back prospect in years, so you might want to slow your roll.
Zombo
Hey, genius...
I was referring to the poster who claimed that RGlll and Vick were very similar in terms of play.
You might wanna learn how to follow a thread. And the irony is thick in here when you call someone a douchebag, while using brown/orange text, as if to suggest that your post was "Super special!"
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Your right there is no comparison as is. Vick is undoubtedly a more successful NFL QB then RG3 is. RG3 has never won a game, has a passer rating of 0, a completion percentage of 0, and a grand total of 0 TD's. If you haven't completed a pass, scored a TD, or won a game in the NFL you are severely handicapped at being a better NFL QB then one who has.
Despite this tomfoolery, how about my Thunder? Started off 0-2 and now we're heading for the finals. If they pull this thing out it'll be a banner year sportswise for me. First my Cards pull off one of the craziest runs in baseball playoff history, my pokes went to and won their first BCS bowl game, and now the Thunder are 4 games away. If the Browns can pull off a miracle this year I might have unintentionally sold my soul to the devil in a drunken stupor.
Despite this tomfoolery, how about my Thunder? Started off 0-2 and now we're heading for the finals. If they pull this thing out it'll be a banner year sportswise for me. First my Cards pull off one of the craziest runs in baseball playoff history, my pokes went to and won their first BCS bowl game, and now the Thunder are 4 games away. If the Browns can pull off a miracle this year I might have unintentionally sold my soul to the devil in a drunken stupor.
congrats.
don't know who i want them to beat more. the celts or heat. i kinda hope it's the celts that move to the finals just to have the miami heat implode in the offseason. lebron will forever be remembered (if the preceding scenario happens) as lechoke.
hey what's up with these fashion moguls who are wearing glasses with no glass in them? fucking maroons.
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Before last year I had no idea who rg3 was. If he starts from day 1 he's bound to have at least one Coltcussion like Aaron Rodgers
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Question...
How many of you can honestly get up in the morning, and not think (even if it is a passing thought) about doing evil things to Mike Holmgren?
Question...
How many of you can honestly get up in the morning, and not think (even if it is a passing thought) about doing evil things to Mike Holmgren?
Dude! You are an ass....this is the first time in YEARS that the Browns seem like they may compete and be a force in the NFL and all you can do is complain about some imaginary problem you have drummed up against Holmgren.
Why not get on board and have hope and excitement for our Browns instead of holding onto some hate like a little girl.... Come On GO Browns... haters grow up or stay home. FU!
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Before last year I had no idea who rg3 was. If he starts from day 1 he's bound to have at least one Coltcussion like Aaron Rodgers
Before last year I had no idea who rg3 was. If he starts from day 1 he's bound to have at least one Coltcussion like Aaron Rodgers
Because you didn't know who he was?
Did you know who Brandon Weeden was before last year?
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Question...
How many of you can honestly get up in the morning, and not think (even if it is a passing thought) about doing evil things to Mike Holmgren?
Dude! You are an ass....this is the first time in YEARS that the Browns seem like they may compete and be a force in the NFL and all you can do is complain about some imaginary problem you have drummed up against Holmgren.
Why not get on board and have hope and excitement for our Browns instead of holding onto some hate like a little girl.... Come On GO Browns... haters grow up or stay home. FU!
Dude! You are an ass....this is the first time in YEARS that the Browns seem like they may compete and be a force in the NFL and all you can do is complain about some imaginary problem you have drummed up against Holmgren.
Why not get on board and have hope and excitement for our Browns instead of holding onto some hate like a little girl.... Come On GO Browns... haters grow up or stay home. FU!
I'm not a Browns fan... but yes, I am a terrible person.
Did you even bother to read the thread before you decided to respond like a three year old?
I will say that if I was Browns fan, I would be pissed at Holmgren/Heckert for not doing everything in their power to land RGIII, and instead settling for a QB that (if he turns out to be a stud) you will only get to enjoy for 6, maybe 7 years before his skills start to erode. I liked the Richardson pick though, and in hindsight, if Weeden and Richardson can be great together, then I think Holmgren can be vindicated. QB's like that don't come around very often though.
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Dude! You are an ass....this is the first time in YEARS that the Browns seem like they may compete and be a force in the NFL and all you can do is complain about some imaginary problem you have drummed up against Holmgren.
Why not get on board and have hope and excitement for our Browns instead of holding onto some hate like a little girl.... Come On GO Browns... haters grow up or stay home. FU!
I'm not a Browns fan... but yes, I am a terrible person.
Did you even bother to read the thread before you decided to respond like a three year old?
I will say that if I was Browns fan, I would be pissed at Holmgren/Heckert for not doing everything in their power to land RGIII, and instead settling for a QB that (if he turns out to be a stud) you will only get to enjoy for 6, maybe 7 years before his skills start to erode. I liked the Richardson pick though, and in hindsight, if Weeden and Richardson can be great together, then I think Holmgren can be vindicated. QB's like that don't come around very often though.
I'm not a Browns fan... but yes, I am a terrible person.
Did you even bother to read the thread before you decided to respond like a three year old?
I will say that if I was Browns fan, I would be pissed at Holmgren/Heckert for not doing everything in their power to land RGIII, and instead settling for a QB that (if he turns out to be a stud) you will only get to enjoy for 6, maybe 7 years before his skills start to erode. I liked the Richardson pick though, and in hindsight, if Weeden and Richardson can be great together, then I think Holmgren can be vindicated. QB's like that don't come around very often though.
Pissed at H&H for going beyond stupid to get one player? Hardly.
So with the draft over- is RG III worth Richardson, Weeden, a (hopefully) stud RT + a first round pick next year? Very debatable.
There's plenty of opinion outside of Washington the Redskins gave up way too much to get RG III. Enjoy not having to tune in on the first day of the draft for the next two years.
For what the Redskins gave up, you had better hope Griffin is the second coming of Warren Moon, because that's what your front office is thinking.
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I'm not a Browns fan... but yes, I am a terrible person.
Did you even bother to read the thread before you decided to respond like a three year old?
I will say that if I was Browns fan, I would be pissed at Holmgren/Heckert for not doing everything in their power to land RGIII, and instead settling for a QB that (if he turns out to be a stud) you will only get to enjoy for 6, maybe 7 years before his skills start to erode. I liked the Richardson pick though, and in hindsight, if Weeden and Richardson can be great together, then I think Holmgren can be vindicated. QB's like that don't come around very often though.
Pissed at H&H for going beyond stupid to get one player? Hardly.
So with the draft over- is RG III worth Richardson, Weeden, a (hopefully) stud RT + a first round pick next year? Very debatable.
There's plenty of opinion outside of Washington the Redskins gave up way too much to get RG III. Enjoy not having to tune in on the first day of the draft for the next two years.
For what the Redskins gave up, you had better hope Griffin is the second coming of Warren Moon, because that's what your front office is thinking.
Pissed at H&H for going beyond stupid to get one player? Hardly.
So with the draft over- is RG III worth Richardson, Weeden, a (hopefully) stud RT + a first round pick next year? Very debatable.
There's plenty of opinion outside of Washington the Redskins gave up way too much to get RG III. Enjoy not having to tune in on the first day of the draft for the next two years.
For what the Redskins gave up, you had better hope Griffin is the second coming of Warren Moon, because that's what your front office is thinking.
Is it stupid because the Browns missed on the pick? Would you have been elated if you guys nabbed RGIII? Do you not believe that an organization (especially organizations like CLE and WAS that have sucked at qb for a considerable amount of time)should do whatever they can to land a talent like Griffin? Sure, we gave up a lot (2 first rd picks), but if that QB becomes everything you thought they could be, then the risk far outweighs the reward.
There is also plenty opinion that the Browns made a mistake by drafting by a 28 (soon to be 29) year old quarterback in the 1st rd, though I think the pick was warranted, given who you had, and who you failed to get. And since only the 1st round is shown on day one of the draft these days, I think we'll do just fine
, since almost all of our draft picks from the last 2 years are still on the team, and we have had success in the early middle rounds selecting guys like Roy Helu, and are building considerable depth.All us Redskins fans definitely have our fingers crossed though, but from early reports, it seems like RGIII is really picking up the playbook well, and taking care of business. I think he will work out great for us.
Good luck with your team though. I was a huge fan of Trent Richardson, even when he was playing behind Ingram at Bama, and I am excited to see what he can do in the NFL. I have no doubt that he can be a successful RB right off the bat.
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Zombo said:
Yo, douchebag. You realize we drafted Brandon Weeden, not Michael Vick, right?
Griffin is a fine prospect, but we got ourseselves a bigger, stronger QB AND the best running back prospect in years, so you might want to slow your roll.
Zombo
Hey, genius...
I was referring to the poster who claimed that RGlll and Vick were very similar in terms of play.
You might wanna learn how to follow a thread. And the irony is thick in here when you call someone a douchebag, while using brown/orange text, as if to suggest that your post was "Super special!"
Hey, genius...
I was referring to the poster who claimed that RGlll and Vick were very similar in terms of play.
You might wanna learn how to follow a thread. And the irony is thick in here when you call someone a douchebag, while using brown/orange text, as if to suggest that your post was "Super special!"
No, no ... I know who you were replying to. It was my way of saying "Enough already, shut up, you are making an idiot out of yourself, we don't care so much".
Now you have went ahead and gone "full Retard" and there's not much I can do about that.
Zombo
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Dude! You are an ass....this is the first time in YEARS that the Browns seem like they may compete and be a force in the NFL and all you can do is complain about some imaginary problem you have drummed up against Holmgren.
Why not get on board and have hope and excitement for our Browns instead of holding onto some hate like a little girl.... Come On GO Browns... haters grow up or stay home. FU!
I'm not a Browns fan... but yes, I am a terrible person.
Did you even bother to read the thread before you decided to respond like a three year old?
I will say that if I was Browns fan, I would be pissed at Holmgren/Heckert for not doing everything in their power to land RGIII, and instead settling for a QB that (if he turns out to be a stud) you will only get to enjoy for 6, maybe 7 years before his skills start to erode. I liked the Richardson pick though, and in hindsight, if Weeden and Richardson can be great together, then I think Holmgren can be vindicated. QB's like that don't come around very often though.
I'm not a Browns fan... but yes, I am a terrible person.
Did you even bother to read the thread before you decided to respond like a three year old?
I will say that if I was Browns fan, I would be pissed at Holmgren/Heckert for not doing everything in their power to land RGIII, and instead settling for a QB that (if he turns out to be a stud) you will only get to enjoy for 6, maybe 7 years before his skills start to erode. I liked the Richardson pick though, and in hindsight, if Weeden and Richardson can be great together, then I think Holmgren can be vindicated. QB's like that don't come around very often though.
Ah...um, if the Browns get 6 or 7 years out of Weeden playing at a high level that would be outstanding. In their history the Browns have only had 3 QBs play 6 years at a high level: Graham, Sipe, Kosar.
I don't know what team you claim to be a fan of, but go back into that team's history and check out how many QBs have been the primary starter for a 6-7 year period. I would wager very few. So, it is not how long you stay, but what you do while you are here.
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Pissed at H&H for going beyond stupid to get one player? Hardly.
So with the draft over- is RG III worth Richardson, Weeden, a (hopefully) stud RT + a first round pick next year? Very debatable.
There's plenty of opinion outside of Washington the Redskins gave up way too much to get RG III. Enjoy not having to tune in on the first day of the draft for the next two years.
For what the Redskins gave up, you had better hope Griffin is the second coming of Warren Moon, because that's what your front office is thinking.
Is it stupid because the Browns missed on the pick? Would you have been elated if you guys nabbed RGIII? Do you not believe that an organization (especially organizations like CLE and WAS that have sucked at qb for a considerable amount of time)should do whatever they can to land a talent like Griffin? Sure, we gave up a lot (2 first rd picks), but if that QB becomes everything you thought they could be, then the risk far outweighs the reward.
There is also plenty opinion that the Browns made a mistake by drafting by a 28 (soon to be 29) year old quarterback in the 1st rd, though I think the pick was warranted, given who you had, and who you failed to get. And since only the 1st round is shown on day one of the draft these days, I think we'll do just fine
, since almost all of our draft picks from the last 2 years are still on the team, and we have had success in the early middle rounds selecting guys like Roy Helu, and are building considerable depth.All us Redskins fans definitely have our fingers crossed though, but from early reports, it seems like RGIII is really picking up the playbook well, and taking care of business. I think he will work out great for us.
Good luck with your team though. I was a huge fan of Trent Richardson, even when he was playing behind Ingram at Bama, and I am excited to see what he can do in the NFL. I have no doubt that he can be a successful RB right off the bat.
Is it stupid because the Browns missed on the pick? Would you have been elated if you guys nabbed RGIII? Do you not believe that an organization (especially organizations like CLE and WAS that have sucked at qb for a considerable amount of time)should do whatever they can to land a talent like Griffin? Sure, we gave up a lot (2 first rd picks), but if that QB becomes everything you thought they could be, then the risk far outweighs the reward.
There is also plenty opinion that the Browns made a mistake by drafting by a 28 (soon to be 29) year old quarterback in the 1st rd, though I think the pick was warranted, given who you had, and who you failed to get. And since only the 1st round is shown on day one of the draft these days, I think we'll do just fine
, since almost all of our draft picks from the last 2 years are still on the team, and we have had success in the early middle rounds selecting guys like Roy Helu, and are building considerable depth.All us Redskins fans definitely have our fingers crossed though, but from early reports, it seems like RGIII is really picking up the playbook well, and taking care of business. I think he will work out great for us.
Good luck with your team though. I was a huge fan of Trent Richardson, even when he was playing behind Ingram at Bama, and I am excited to see what he can do in the NFL. I have no doubt that he can be a successful RB right off the bat.
It is all a matter of risk vs. reward. The Redskins gave up what? 3 first round picks plus many more to take RGIII. The Browns gave up nothing for Weeden other than the pick where he was selected. As mentioned, I think the Browns may have been happy to take RGIII if they could have gotten him with their #4 pick....but they were not going to take the risk of giving up 3 first round picks plus to move up 2 spots to take him.
No one now knows what will happen with these 2 QBs. For all we know RG may end up being a bust....probably not on the Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf scale but maybe on the Joey Harrington scale. Or, for all we know he will be the next John Elway and it will be Weeden who will be the Joey Harrington.
That's the key: we don't know.
What we do know is that the Browns FO was not willing to risk their future with an exorbitant package to get RGIII like the one the Redskins did. Hopefully their conservative approach will work.
Face it, the Rams fans are the ones hoping that RGIII goes bust, not the Browns fans. They are the ones holding all your future picks, not us. And you don't have to compete in the same conference as the Browns for wild card berths, but you do have to compete with the Rams.
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How did we get a discussion started off of something that Grossi wrote as his personal opinion. He did not mention one person he talked to that told him this shit and he didn't even try to claim that he got information from an "un-named source". This is really a none story, a writer getting something in before deadline and talking up the local QB draft pick. Nothing more than this.
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Despite this tomfoolery, how about my Thunder? Started off 0-2 and now we're heading for the finals. If they pull this thing out it'll be a banner year sportswise for me. First my Cards pull off one of the craziest runs in baseball playoff history, my pokes went to and won their first BCS bowl game, and now the Thunder are 4 games away. If the Browns can pull off a miracle this year I might have unintentionally sold my soul to the devil in a drunken stupor.
congrats.
don't know who i want them to beat more. the celts or heat. i kinda hope it's the celts that move to the finals just to have the miami heat implode in the offseason. lebron will forever be remembered (if the preceding scenario happens) as lechoke.
hey what's up with these fashion moguls who are wearing glasses with no glass in them? fucking maroons.
congrats.
don't know who i want them to beat more. the celts or heat. i kinda hope it's the celts that move to the finals just to have the miami heat implode in the offseason. lebron will forever be remembered (if the preceding scenario happens) as lechoke.
hey what's up with these fashion moguls who are wearing glasses with no glass in them? fucking maroons.
I'm hoping for the Celtics. So far in these playoffs we've beaten teams who still have a majority of their core from championship teams. The Heats new core hasn't pulled it off yet. As far as the glasses go your guess is as good as mine. I figure you should at least get non-prescription lens in them, especially with the money they're making but what do I know.
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