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  • Study sez belief in global warming depends on how you FEEL about the world.

    Oh, and the more knowledge of science and math you have the less likely it is you'll believe in global warming.

    The polarizing impact of science literacy and numeracy on perceived climate change risks

    http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1547.html#/f1

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  • That's not really what they said. I'll have to read it again but I don't think that is what they are getting at, not completely.

    You do a much better job though at finding sources, haha. It is a welcome change.

    If you can find the test they used to determine the science level of participants, the National Science Board Science and Engineering Indicators, 2010, or whatever, you'll be my hero.

    Edit: Actually this is a really interesting study. I'm going to read through all the supplemental info and get back to you.

    I wish they didn't just ask "How much of a threat do you think global warming is" but also asked about how much of it they felt was man made, or if it was just natural, or if they didn't think there was any at all.

    Edit 2: Nvm I found the questions

    Edit 3: It says a person's views about how dangerous they feel global warming is more based on cultural indicators than their scientific knowledge.

    An increase in "scientific knowledge" just increases your belief in there either being a threat or not being a threat. It doesn't make them believe that there is more of a threat no matter what.

    I say "scientific knowledge" in quotes because holy fuck did you look at the questions they asked? This wasn't dividing up between the scientific community and the public like I was doing earlier. This is dividing up between the Bunkers/morons of the world and the average to slightly above average intelligence people (unless I am overestimating average).

    The more "scientific knowledge" you have though the less of a perceived threat you feel nuclear power is (thank god, one saving grace). Now I wonder if this is because nuclear power is not as big of an issue politically. If it all of a sudden was Dems on one side and Reps on another would we see the same occurence as we do here as people will begin to choose their sides based on cultural matters and then seek out info that supports their beliefs.

    Edit 4: Sorry, this turned into a jumbled mess.

    You realize your FEEL line goes both ways though, right?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • Woody, glad you found the article interesting.

    The FEEL line is based on one's point on a "hierarchy–Egalitarianism (Hierarchy) v Individualism–Communitarianism (Individualism)" graph. Boil it down to people who want to live in a nanny state v people who don't

    The method of sample selection consists of people who have volunteered to be contacted for opinion polls. Diversity and randomness cannot be claimed. Anyway, the level of the science questions doesn't bother me. At least we know that all of the subjects could operate a computer well enough to answer an online questionnaire.

    The study is biased in favor of a nanny state and belief in global warming - anthropogenic global warming I dare say. The more science and math literacy a person has (and the bar is set pretty low), and the more individualistic their world outlook the less likely a person is to believe in global warming. Don't consider the science, the authors would rather we depended on peer pressure and collectivism.

    Maybe it's just me.

  • So you think the authors made the wrong conclusion?

    I agree about it not being the best sampling. Voluntary polls are not the best. I've lied before in an attempt to get into surveys and discussions that pay participants (only because I did one through the same site before and actually got paid)

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • Yes Woody, I think so. The authors wanted to show that those with higher math and science literacy would make the "right" decision and believe in AGW, climate change, severe weather - take your pick, it's a moving target LOL.

    What do you think about the study?

  • I think the level of scientific knowledge they graded on was so low it barely tells you anything about how someone's scientific understanding affects their perceived threat of global warming. My point was relating the scientists that actually study climate change to the average American. Not someone who barely got a GED to an average American (unless I am underestimating America...).

    If you do take there level of scientific testing as it is then I agree with their conclusion that a person's perceived threat of global warming is more determined by cultural and moral values than their scientific knowledge. This is seen in the graph that shows each spectrum of cultural views split on the threat. Increase someone's scientific knowledge and their data finds that they are only more firm in their position on whether or not global warming is a threat. This, as they pointed out, probably has a lot to do with how politicized the issue is.

    The authors of this study don't "want" to specifically show anything. They just want to do the best job they can in accurately reading the data and reaching the right conclusions. If it shows one thing, so be it. If it shows the opposite, that's fine too.

    The only saving grace is that both cultural/moral sects believed nuclear power was less of a threat as their intelligence went up. This gives me some hope for the future of that industry.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • The study was biased because the point of it all was to find out how to make skeptics believe in global warming. The answer: peer pressure and collectivism. That was also the point of the "science is settled" survey of scientists, it was a false conclusion advertised to convince the weak minded.

    Turn it around - we can say that people with less literacy in science and math are more likely to believe in global warming. so, taking your opinion that the test for science and math literacy was set very low, the people who believe in GW must be morons.

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  • Bunker said:

    woody doesn't think, he waits to be told what to say or just hops on some green weenie band wagon even if its a bunch of lies.

    But you are a Christian because...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • Actually, no. Don't respond to that.

    I shouldn't use that as a way to show you make no sense. That's only gonna get us off track and piss people off.

    I should know better than to even respond to you.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Actually, no. Don't respond to that.

    I shouldn't use that as a way to show you make no sense. That's only gonna get us off track and piss people off.

    I should know better than to even respond to you.

    @mld-woody said:

    Actually, no. Don't respond to that.

    I shouldn't use that as a way to show you make no sense. That's only gonna get us off track and piss people off.

    I should know better than to even respond to you.

    This

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • Once again, Little Johnny Woodpecker chucks wood emotionally,

    because he doesn't have a clue otherwise.

    And, isn't very smart. No common sense.

    Little Johnnie Woodpecker has nothin but insults to try to prove

    he has a clue.

    So, there ya go.

    He doesn't have one. He and Heck are quite a pair.

  • C calfoxwc

    Once again, Little Johnny Woodpecker chucks wood emotionally,

    because he doesn't have a clue otherwise.

    And, isn't very smart. No common sense.

    Little Johnnie Woodpecker has nothin but insults to try to prove

    he has a clue.

    So, there ya go.

    He doesn't have one. He and Heck are quite a pair.

    @calfoxwc said:

    Once again, Little Johnny Woodpecker chucks wood emotionally,

    because he doesn't have a clue otherwise.

    And, isn't very smart. No common sense.

    Little Johnnie Woodpecker has nothin but insults to try to prove

    he has a clue.

    So, there ya go.

    He doesn't have one. He and Heck are quite a pair.

    You're Retarded

    call that whatever reaction you'd like

    but you're Retarded

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • Dang, you just emotiionally cried like the

    sicko lib freak whiner in at the top of the thread.

    Congrats. You just proved us right again.

    and again. and again.

  • Lol, I should just know better than to respond to you or Bunker

    I also noticed I owe Z a reply

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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